Eliminating The Confusion Americans Have About al-Awlaki

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  1. IndependntLogic
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    Lots of spirited debates going on about this.
    Liberals claiming it is wrong to kill this guy because he's American.
    Conservatives claiming it's wrong because Obama ordered it and they now have an ACLU alter-ego.
    Liberals claiming it's okay because Bush isn't doing it.
    Both sides citing the USC, UCMJ etc...


    So okay, here's the thing.

    This is about the fact that we now have an enemy without a politically defined boundary on a map somewhere. We didn't have that a couple hundred years ago unless you count indians and look what we did to them. So let's put it in a perspective that may offer some clarity.

    Let's say there was a COUNTRY of AlQaedia that you could point to on a map. That country was a religious theocracy run by whackjobs who declared war on lots of countries, including the USA.
    So if a US citizen moved there, became a citizen of AlQaedia, adopted their ways, joined their military, became a leading figure in that country's attacks against us and then was killed by a drone, what would people say? There would be no questioning the Constitutionality of it and his former status as a US citizen would not be a factor because he was now an AlQeadian. Enemy Combatant & Casualty of War, plain & simple.

    So that's exactly what happened. Al Qaeda has a political structure & government, public relations, defined heirarchy, military etc... And they have declared war on us and killed US citizens.
    The only difference is these particluar whackjobs don't have a country on a map somewhere. That is the only reason there is any argument over this.
     
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    While I appreciate your attempt to school us, I prefer other reading material, like the 5th Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.

    But, thanks for thinking that you needed to rationalize when the Bill of Rights applies.

    No, really.

    Thanks for the attempt.
     
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    You idiocy knows no bounds.

    Can you point out anyone who said it was OK because it was not Bush, or wrong because Obama killed him?

    That is not what happened.

    What happened is that the government, without any oversight or review, arbitrarily decided that someone was an enemy combatant despite the fact that there is no public evidence that he ever shot at anyone, participated in any attack, or even told someone how to do anything.
     
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    Ah my favorite pet! I once had a dog who would follow me everywhere and now I have you! How cute.

    Yeah, there was no trial, evidence etc... for Osama bin Laden either. Oh how I weep for both for them...
     
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    The roster of nutbars coming out in favor of international political assassination and summary execution today has been quite amusing....In a black humor sort of fashion.

    Hell, at least Göring, Hess and von Ribbentrop were given the courtesy of an ex post facto kangaroo court trial.
     
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    Fuck al-Awlaki and piss on his memory.

    He got sanctioned.

    AFTER he engaged in acts of war against America.

    Boo fucking hoo.
     
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    we are at war with Al Qaeda ....and he was a top leader of Al Qaeda .......so we Xd the treasonous bastard !!! whats the problem ???:eusa_eh:
     
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    God the hypocrisy of the Liberals By Convenience (i.e. supposed Conservatives) is entertaining! :lol:
    You sound like a member of the ACLU!
     
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    I rarely disagree with Oddball, although in this matter, I do.

    Still, he's got a certain formal consistency of logic and a dedication to the meaning and purpose of the Constitution that warrants praise, not your condemnation.
     
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    Fuck you, asshole.

    I'd be all for lining him up and having him shot, were there any credible charge brought against the freak, and even a cursory stab at military justice brought to bear....Like I said, at least the Nazis got a show trail.

    But you go ahead and be on the side of political assassination and summary execution...It fits you well.
     
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