Ed Schultz: Cain is pandering to white Republicans

[techieny]

Ed Schultz is just a loon trying desperately to fill the void left by pink slipped loon Keith Doberman. His is NOT significant!

 

[CT9]

Can one be racist without saying to one's self "Hm, what would be the racist thing to do here?" Yes, of course.

There are racists of every race and political party, so of course there are white racist Republicans. Even putting aside his anti-Muslim remarks, has made a number of statements that have particular appeal to racists:

Cain rises by slamming race - CNN.com
Cain charges some in black community of racism – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs


I'm sure most of the people who support Cain aren't particularly racist, but I'm equally sure that Cain holds a special appeal for racists.

Hi LL! I just have a question about your remark that Herman Cain holds a special appeal for racists. I'm not sure what you mean.

Also have to tell you I wasn'ty bothered that much when he said he would not allow a Muslim in his administration. I think due to the terrorism today and the difficulty to determine just who is a "radical" muslim, I would play it safe and look for my talent elsewhere. We are talking about the Executive Branch of gov't. Just being honest.

Hi, Jackson. Thank you for your interest in my post. Here is the question as I understand it:

Question: How would Cain's statements appeal to people (subsequently referred to as "racists") who actively dislike black people?

I think it is clear that statements which tend to make black people as a whole look bad would be particularly appealing to racists. Consider Cain's statements:

"A lot of these liberal, leftist folk in this country, that are black, they're more racist than the white people that they're claiming to be racist."

This statement is about "a lot" of black liberals. Most blacks are left of center, (they're about ten times more likely to be Democrats than Republicans Republican Base Heavily White, Conservative, Religious). By calling them racist, Cain can be plausibly seen as criticizing the black community, which as I've said I think has a clear appeal for racists. He also defends white people who are accused of being racists. Since racists are more likely to be called racist, this too doubtless holds appeal for them.

Cain also said that he didn't "believe there is racism in this country today that holds anybody back in a big way." Given the demonstrable problems in the black community (education, income, life expectancy disparities) someone must be to blame for them. If it is non-blacks, then we can blame racism. Otherwise, we must blame the black community itself. Thus, when Cain denies the significance of racism he not only again indemnifies actual racists, he also implicitly blames blacks for the problems in their community. Again, this should appeal to racists.

Thus, regardless of whether Cain's remarks are true or fair (I don't think they are) or whether they can appeal to non-racists (I think they can) I think it is clear that they hold more appeal to people who dislike black people than to people who like black people.

Of course he also makes many remarks that hold no particular appeal to racists. A few, most prominently his criticism of Perry for the name of the hunting cabin, probably were particularly unappealing to racists.

^^That is an epic manipulation of words.

When have whites, who are taken seriously, ever said they couldn't do something because of racism. Him saying racism isn't an excuse for black people doesn't make it a valid excuse in his mind for other races, you are ignoring the "anybody" in Cain doesn't "believe there is racism in this country today that holds anybody back in a big way"

But go ahead lets keep trying to find a way that it must involve race.

 

[Salt Jones]

Herman Cain is the "black friend" that white conservatives use to offset their racist bullshit.

And barack obama is the articulate clean guy Democrats elected to assuage their post racial guilt.
obama is the left's token black. Cain is a Conservative candidate with a message that resonates with a great many people that just happens to be black.
Herman Cain would be a major Conservative voice even if he was white. If barack obama was white, he would be a bartender in Honolulu.

So Dems have "post racial guilt" with Obama, but Cain isn't white conservative post racial guilt?

How many bartenders are Harvard Law graduates?

 

[JWBooth]

Who?

 

[ladyliberal]

^^That is an epic manipulation of words.

When have whites, who are taken seriously, ever said they couldn't do something because of racism. Him saying racism isn't an excuse for black people doesn't make it a valid excuse in his mind for other races, you are ignoring the "anybody" in Cain doesn't "believe there is racism in this country today that holds anybody back in a big way"

But go ahead lets keep trying to find a way that it must involve race.

If I understand your critique, you suggest that Cain's remarks are race-neutral because he spoke of racism without addressing anti-black racism as opposed to anti-white or anti-whatever racism. That's a bit off topic from what my point was about (how an actual bona fide white anti-black racist would feel about the statements). It's also simply factually inaccurate:

CNN.com - Transcripts

That particular quote from Cain came in response to a question about "minorities, especially African-Americans". Later in the interview Cain specifically mentioned "blacks in middle management" as people who weren't held back by racism. Further, Cain explicitly makes the point in the interview that factors other than racism account for disparities. Your interpretation of Cain's remarks (as I understand it) is not supported by the transcript.

You raise an entirely unrelated question:

"When have whites, who are taken seriously, ever said they couldn't do something because of racism[?]"

There are plenty of examples of this. Perhaps most prominently, many whites feel as though they have been hurt, or may be hurt, by affirmative action programs. Here's a piece that cites both anecdotal and statistical evidence:

Washingtonpost.com: AMERICANS VENT ANGER AT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

There are also more unambiguous examples, including actual hate crimes motivated by anti-white racism: Racism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It's hard to imagine someone of any race suggesting the victims of these crimes weren't hurt by anti-white racism.

And of course there are a number of subgroups of "white" that have felt discriminated against (Irish, Italian, Jewish, German, Arab [though many Arabs don't consider themselves white], white Hispanic, etc.).

 

[Lakhota]

Uncle Tom Cain! No doubt about it. He doesn't even try to hid it. And now no one knows this better than those "brainwashed" black people.

 

[techieny]

Uncle Tom Cain! No doubt about it. He doesn't even try to hid it. And now no one knows this better than those "brainwashed" black people.[/QUOTE

you're a little man!

 

[Lakhota]

Uncle Tom Cain! No doubt about it. He doesn't even try to hid it. And now no one knows this better than those "brainwashed" black people.[/QUOTE

you're a little man!

Thank you, but actually I need to lose a few pounds...

 

[GHook93]

What other nonsense. Cain rose in the polls, because of his MAGNIFICENT 9-9-9 plan and his uncanny debate skills. See unlike liberal assholes, he actually transcends race. He is looking out for ALL Americans, not just black, white, latino or asian.

Commies like you are right to fear him. When his policies turn the economy around. No socialist fool will come close to the whitehouse!

Can one be racist without saying to one's self "Hm, what would be the racist thing to do here?" Yes, of course.

There are racists of every race and political party, so of course there are white racist Republicans. Even putting aside his anti-Muslim remarks, has made a number of statements that have particular appeal to racists:

Cain rises by slamming race - CNN.com
Cain charges some in black community of racism – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs


I'm sure most of the people who support Cain aren't particularly racist, but I'm equally sure that Cain holds a special appeal for racists.

 

[GHook93]

What did he say wrong?

Who Cain? He mentioned that he might consider Demint as a running mate. Demint used the word "break".
Demint is "post-intentionally racist", Cain likes Demint, so Cain is pandering, "post-intentionally" perhaps, but pandering none the less.

When did he say that? We all know he will pick Gingrich if he wins the GOP election.

I would put a million dollars on it!

 

[Lakhota]

What did he say wrong?

Who Cain? He mentioned that he might consider Demint as a running mate. Demint used the word "break".
Demint is "post-intentionally racist", Cain likes Demint, so Cain is pandering, "post-intentionally" perhaps, but pandering none the less.

When did he say that? We all know he will pick Gingrich if he wins the GOP election.

I would put a million dollars on it!

Uncle Tom Cain also said Paul Ryan may be his VP pick. He also seems to worship Newt Gingrich. Holy shit...

 

[Full-Auto]

Uncle Tom Cain! No doubt about it. He doesn't even try to hid it. And now no one knows this better than those "brainwashed" black people.

Yes we know how democrats feel about blacks educating themselves.


You call them uncle toms. I remember your link.

 

[Salt Jones]

What other nonsense. Cain rose in the polls, because of his MAGNIFICENT 9-9-9 plan and his uncanny debate skills. See unlike liberal assholes, he actually transcends race. He is looking out for ALL Americans, not just black, white, latino or asian.

Commies like you are right to fear him. When his policies turn the economy around. No socialist fool will come close to the whitehouse!

Can one be racist without saying to one's self "Hm, what would be the racist thing to do here?" Yes, of course.

There are racists of every race and political party, so of course there are white racist Republicans. Even putting aside his anti-Muslim remarks, has made a number of statements that have particular appeal to racists:

Cain rises by slamming race - CNN.com
Cain charges some in black community of racism – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs


I'm sure most of the people who support Cain aren't particularly racist, but I'm equally sure that Cain holds a special appeal for racists.

Transcends or despite?

 

[Lakhota]

Uncle Tom Cain! No doubt about it. He doesn't even try to hid it. And now no one knows this better than those "brainwashed" black people.

Yes we know how democrats feel about blacks educating themselves.


You call them uncle toms. I remember your link.

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a highly educated man and he was NOT an Uncle Tom. He supported his race rather than turn his back on it.

 

[Salt Jones]

Uncle Tom Cain! No doubt about it. He doesn't even try to hid it. And now no one knows this better than those "brainwashed" black people.

Yes we know how democrats feel about blacks educating themselves.


You call them uncle toms. I remember your link.

Educating how? Explain what you mean.

 

[Full-Auto]

Uncle Tom Cain! No doubt about it. He doesn't even try to hid it. And now no one knows this better than those "brainwashed" black people.

Yes we know how democrats feel about blacks educating themselves.


You call them uncle toms. I remember your link.

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a highly educated man and he was NOT an Uncle Tom. He supported his race rather than turn his back on it.

Atlanta teachers then discovered nation wide.

Cheating for students.

What were you saying? You do understand what uncle tom means. You should.................

 

[Salt Jones]

Yes we know how democrats feel about blacks educating themselves.


You call them uncle toms. I remember your link.

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a highly educated man and he was NOT an Uncle Tom. He supported his race rather than turn his back on it.

Atlanta teachers then discovered nation wide.

Cheating for students.

What were you saying? You do understand what uncle tom means. You should.................

Your point?

 

[Lakhota]

Yes we know how democrats feel about blacks educating themselves.


You call them uncle toms. I remember your link.

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a highly educated man and he was NOT an Uncle Tom. He supported his race rather than turn his back on it.

Atlanta teachers then discovered nation wide.

Cheating for students.

What were you saying? You do understand what uncle tom means. You should.................

No, they were cheating for themselves by cheating students of education.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Also have to tell you I wasn'ty bothered that much when he said he would not allow a Muslim in his administration. I think due to the terrorism today and the difficulty to determine just who is a "radical" muslim, I would play it safe and look for my talent elsewhere. We are talking about the Executive Branch of gov't. Just being honest.

It’s fine you’re being honest but the fact is this violates the Constitution and Federal labor law. We do not presume guilt in the United States. Cain’s ignorance of the law – or his contempt for it – renders him unqualified to be president.

 

[Ernie S.]

Can one be racist without saying to one's self "Hm, what would be the racist thing to do here?" Yes, of course.

There are racists of every race and political party, so of course there are white racist Republicans. Even putting aside his anti-Muslim remarks, has made a number of statements that have particular appeal to racists:

Cain rises by slamming race - CNN.com
Cain charges some in black community of racism – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs


I'm sure most of the people who support Cain aren't particularly racist, but I'm equally sure that Cain holds a special appeal for racists.

Hi LL! I just have a question about your remark that Herman Cain holds a special appeal for racists. I'm not sure what you mean.

Also have to tell you I wasn'ty bothered that much when he said he would not allow a Muslim in his administration. I think due to the terrorism today and the difficulty to determine just who is a "radical" muslim, I would play it safe and look for my talent elsewhere. We are talking about the Executive Branch of gov't. Just being honest.

Hi, Jackson. Thank you for your interest in my post. Here is the question as I understand it:

Question: How would Cain's statements appeal to people (subsequently referred to as "racists") who actively dislike black people?

I think it is clear that statements which tend to make black people as a whole look bad would be particularly appealing to racists. Consider Cain's statements:

"A lot of these liberal, leftist folk in this country, that are black, they're more racist than the white people that they're claiming to be racist."

This statement is about "a lot" of black liberals. Most blacks are left of center, (they're about ten times more likely to be Democrats than Republicans Republican Base Heavily White, Conservative, Religious). By calling them racist, Cain can be plausibly seen as criticizing the black community, which as I've said I think has a clear appeal for racists. He also defends white people who are accused of being racists. Since racists are more likely to be called racist, this too doubtless holds appeal for them.

Cain also said that he didn't "believe there is racism in this country today that holds anybody back in a big way." Given the demonstrable problems in the black community (education, income, life expectancy disparities) someone must be to blame for them. If it is non-blacks, then we can blame racism. Otherwise, we must blame the black community itself. Thus, when Cain denies the significance of racism he not only again indemnifies actual racists, he also implicitly blames blacks for the problems in their community. Again, this should appeal to racists.

Thus, regardless of whether Cain's remarks are true or fair (I don't think they are) or whether they can appeal to non-racists (I think they can) I think it is clear that they hold more appeal to people who dislike black people than to people who like black people.

Of course he also makes many remarks that hold no particular appeal to racists. A few, most prominently his criticism of Perry for the name of the hunting cabin, probably were particularly unappealing to racists.

Problems in the black community that you mentioned are not caused by racism or rich white Republicans. They are caused by one parent families, lack of desire for a good education, disrespect for the law and an entitlement attitude. The same factors cause poverty among whites as well.
The disparity in poverty per capita by race, is more a cultural problem than one of race.
Men like Herman Cain, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Robert Johnson, Spike Lee, Sean Combs and barack obama all came from modest means and became wealthy and accomplished. Why? Because they availed themselves of an education, followed the rules and worked their asses off to accomplish their goals. Several of these men came up when it was a lot tougher than than it is now, but overcame the vestiges of the old racism.
It's much easier today, yet fewer black kids grow up in 2 parent families, more black kids are in the penal system, fewer black kids graduate high school and more grow up under one or more entitlement programs.
My daddy told me that if I wanted the American dream, I'd have to work my ass off for it. Try it. It works.