Don't cry Big Oil....

[DiamondDave]

Hmm.. how many bush cabinent people and advisors went to work for the industries that they helped craft legislation for ....

How many cabinet members go to how many businesses from how many administrations.... why??? BECAUSE POWER, PERCEPTION, AND NOTORIETY ARE USEFUL COMODITIES

jeez... where did you think they would work? Piggly Wiggly?

 

[Jeepers]

The government is not your mommy....

Yeah.. theres a great campaign slogan for you...

Seriously you understanding of politics and society does not extend beyond the pages of the Limbaugh letter.

 

[Jeepers]

How many cabinet members go to how many businesses from how many administrations.... why??? BECAUSE POWER, PERCEPTION, AND NOTORIETY ARE USEFUL COMODITIES

jeez... where did you think they would work? Piggly Wiggly?

They'd be honored... Buzzy runs a tight operation...

 

[DiamondDave]

Yeah.. theres a great campaign slogan for you...

Seriously you understanding of politics and society does not extend beyond the pages of the Limbaugh letter.

Funny... never listen to the guy and certainly would not have some newsletter from him... personally I think the guy is a loudmouth windbag

I live in the real world... where you do what you have to do, take care of your responsibilities, strive to achieve more, and take the consequences of your decisions in life...

But indeed... the government is not your mommy, nor your personal safety net for when you make a wrong decision in your personal life, nor your allowance giver when you FEEL you deserve more at the expense of others....

 

[sealybobo]

And you are simply delusional about your conspiracy theories... corporations do not own you or run every last thing now... though that is a great slogan and rallying call when trying to round up votes from those who want the handout of things taken away from others that they think don't deserve what they earn... a lot simpler than thinking and truly understanding

And in hoping you do go away... Socialist systems such as wealth redistribution is all about taking away freedom in the name of governmental control....

Maybe you should also do some research into minimum wage... it's actual purpose (people at 34 years old should in no way be working for minimum wage... by that time if you have not improved your value, skillset, experience etc... then you are a buffoon who has made bad decisions and you need to take PERSONAL responsibility to right yourself).. the effects it has on the workforce, prices of good purchased by those making minimum wage, etc.... but no... you lefties simply use it as a carrot without realizing the actual full spectrum influence a nice sounding minimum wage increase has

Also.... show me where I said I supported collusion and monopolies.... I'll be waiting.... considering I have said exactly the opposite.... whereas you fully support the socialist ideals that many of us have pointed out

How do you stop monopolies Dave? SOCIALIST!!!

And not all Americans are smart dave. You are a perfect example. So minimum wage is good because it protects dumb Americans. So you are for dumb American's making $3 hr? Who would prevent companies from charging that Dave? SOCIALIST!!

The only conspiracy theory I know of is the one about Saddam being linked to Al Queda or the Anthrax mailings. Sucker. You like Rtardedgunsgt are as bad as people that think OJ didn't do it. Seriously.

 

[AllieBaba]

In survival of the fittest, people die and people suffer. If you don't care about that, then you don't give shit to people less fortunate.

We should all just cancel our home owners insurance then and stop sharing the risk. We should just hope that people will help us if our homes burn down.

No, dumbass. I believe that individuals should help other individuals.

How many people do you actually help? Or do you just sit on your butt and scream that the government should be doing MORE so you can do less?

 

[sealybobo]

No, dumbass. I believe that individuals should help other individuals.

How many people do you actually help? Or do you just sit on your butt and scream that the government should be doing MORE so you can do less?

oh if I haven't had this argument with compassionate conservatives a million times, I would entertain you, but since I have...

 

[sealybobo]

No, dumbass. I believe that individuals should help other individuals.

How many people do you actually help? Or do you just sit on your butt and scream that the government should be doing MORE so you can do less?

Here is what you are in favor of schmuck:

The good ol' boy network describes a system of social networking and perceptions alleged to exist prevalently among certain communities and social strata in the United States. Although the term originated in the South, these networks can be found throughout the U.S. and the rest of the Western world. It is typically taken to refer to informal legal, judicial, social, religious, business, and political associations among white males ("good ol' boys"); however, in modern times can be composed of either or both sexes. In some areas, the good ol' boy network is said to still exert considerable influence over many aspects of local government, business, and law enforcement. Usage of the term can often imply a wrongful exclusion of others from the network; however, often the emphasis is on inclusion of a member, as in, "doing a good ol' boy a favor".

Some negative effects of the good ol' boy network are its exclusion of others, leading to leaders of a community possibly limiting business transactions to other elites, or to friends or acquaintances from within the network, to give friends better deals, and generally to reinforce traditional power structures over any other elements in the society.

Perceptions of religious and racial prejudice also endure, and the good ol' boy network is sometimes seen as unique to WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants), with Catholics, Jews, and minority groups excluded. The network also functions like any other social network inasmuch as governmental, business, and professional connections and concessions often develop via mutual friendships and introductions established through the network.

 

[DiamondDave]

care to actually cite your source, or are you trying to claim it as your own text?

What ones like you fail to realize is as stated before.... just because people believe that government is not your mommy, not your safety net for your bad decisions, not your allowance bringer for doing nothing, at the expense of someone else's efforts, etc... does not mean that we are for people dying or that we wish people to be downtrodden... does not mean that we believe we should help other people VOLUNTARILY... just that it is not the job of our government based on freedom and liberty....

Again... I support and donate to many worthwhile charities.... yet you still have not answered the question of you.... or is it really that you sit back and wait for others to be forced to act in the way you should be acting yourself, if you were truly concerned about the well being of others?

 

[sealybobo]

care to actually cite your source, or are you trying to claim it as your own text?

What ones like you fail to realize is as stated before.... just because people believe that government is not your mommy, not your safety net for your bad decisions, not your allowance bringer for doing nothing, at the expense of someone else's efforts, etc... does not mean that we are for people dying or that we wish people to be downtrodden... does not mean that we believe we should help other people VOLUNTARILY... just that it is not the job of our government based on freedom and liberty....

Again... I support and donate to many worthwhile charities.... yet you still have not answered the question of you.... or is it really that you sit back and wait for others to be forced to act in the way you should be acting yourself, if you were truly concerned about the well being of others?

Like I said Daveypoo, I have had this discussion a million times with you compassionate conservatives and I am not going to entertain your lies. If you are a greedy son of a bitch, then you are a greedy son of a bitch even in your personal life.

And you are not supposed to talk about what good works you do. Of course you probably never read the bible so......

So don't bitch about your taxes going up $1000 to ASSURE everyone has healthcare and then tell me you gave $1000 to some dumb fuck racist bigot good old boy church of yours that discriminates against people that aren't like you.

I don't buy it for a fucking minute. And again, I think I asked you 3 times now, do you believe in Monopolies? Are you for them?

 

[sealybobo]

oh, wikipedia

 

[DiamondDave]

Like I said Daveypoo, I have had this discussion a million times with you compassionate conservatives and I am not going to entertain your lies. If you are a greedy son of a bitch, then you are a greedy son of a bitch even in your personal life.

And you are not supposed to talk about what good works you do. Of course you probably never read the bible so......

So don't bitch about your taxes going up $1000 to ASSURE everyone has healthcare and then tell me you gave $1000 to some dumb fuck racist bigot good old boy church of yours that discriminates against people that aren't like you.

I don't buy it for a fucking minute. And again, I think I asked you 3 times now, do you believe in Monopolies? Are you for them?

Avoidance because of your shame... we can understand

 

[sealybobo]

Avoidance because of your shame... we can understand

Now come on Dave. Do I sound greedy? No, you sound greedy.

I just looooove it when you guys try to flip the switch and act like you actually care about people. All of us lazy, gay, black, uninsured, bad choices, welfare, made bad choices, do something about it, anyone can do it in america,

You fucking have zero compassion for any examples we give you illustrating how and why people get fucked and lose their homes or their jobs or can't find a better job or had to tap into their savings because of a sickness.

Don't make me laugh.

 

[DiamondDave]

Now come on Dave. Do I sound greedy? No, you sound greedy.

I just looooove it when you guys try to flip the switch and act like you actually care about people. All of us lazy, gay, black, uninsured, bad choices, welfare, made bad choices, do something about it, anyone can do it in america,

You fucking have zero compassion for any examples we give you illustrating how and why people get fucked and lose their homes or their jobs or can't find a better job or had to tap into their savings because of a sickness.

Don't make me laugh.

Again.. compassion is a personal thing... not something to be mandated and forced amongst the populace of a free society

and hmmm.. as for charities I support every year

St. Jude's
American Diabetes Association
Local MD charity that teaches retarded or mentally challenged people to work and live on their own
A local battered women shelter (Heartly House)
Local charity supporting a local boy with huge medical problems (Hayden's Heart Heros)
American Red Cross
USO
Make a Wish Foundation
Freedom Alliance
Local school music program

the list goes on.... and I choose the charities that support things close to e and what I believe in

So as stated.... just because people believe that government is not your mommy, not your safety net for your bad decisions, not your allowance bringer for doing nothing, at the expense of someone else's efforts, etc... does not mean that we are for people dying or that we wish people to be downtrodden... does not mean that we believe we should help other people VOLUNTARILY... just that it is not the job of our government based on freedom and liberty....

 

[sealybobo]

Again.. compassion is a personal thing... not something to be mandated and forced amongst the populace of a free society

and hmmm.. as for charities I support every year

St. Jude's
American Diabetes Association
Local MD charity that teaches retarded or mentally challenged people to work and live on their own
A local battered women shelter (Heartly House)
Local charity supporting a local boy with huge medical problems (Hayden's Heart Heros)
American Red Cross
USO
Make a Wish Foundation
Freedom Alliance
Local school music program

the list goes on.... and I choose the charities that support things close to e and what I believe in

So as stated.... just because people believe that government is not your mommy, not your safety net for your bad decisions, not your allowance bringer for doing nothing, at the expense of someone else's efforts, etc... does not mean that we are for people dying or that we wish people to be downtrodden... does not mean that we believe we should help other people VOLUNTARILY... just that it is not the job of our government based on freedom and liberty....

If this is all true, and I do believe it is, that's great. I still think there should be government programs for people who run into trouble, because, for example, kids get sick and they might not have a guy like you around. They might be in a really poor neighborhood where there is no help. So he or she should be able to turn to the government.

Or homeless shelters. In the winter, homeless people would die if the government didn't have shelters. Yes, no?

But I don't like social services being abused either Dave. On that we can agree.

I think Social Security is a great program too. It's the politicans bankrupting the treasury that are the problem, not social security. Anyways, I hope you are as good as you say, because you really seem like a dick here. LOL.

 

[DiamondDave]

If this is all true, and I do believe it is, that's great. I still think there should be government programs for people who run into trouble, because, for example, kids get sick and they might not have a guy like you around. They might be in a really poor neighborhood where there is no help. So he or she should be able to turn to the government.

Or homeless shelters. In the winter, homeless people would die if the government didn't have shelters. Yes, no?

But I don't like social services being abused either Dave. On that we can agree.

I think Social Security is a great program too. It's the politicans bankrupting the treasury that are the problem, not social security. Anyways, I hope you are as good as you say, because you really seem like a dick here. LOL.

As stated... I think people should VOLUNTARILY donate to such things such as job training, homeless shelters, and other things that call to their personal feelings on such matters....

but that is not the job of government... because in the end.. .the personal well being of each individual is the personal responsibility of that individual

 

[AllieBaba]

Now come on Dave. Do I sound greedy? No, you sound greedy.

I just looooove it when you guys try to flip the switch and act like you actually care about people. All of us lazy, gay, black, uninsured, bad choices, welfare, made bad choices, do something about it, anyone can do it in america,

You fucking have zero compassion for any examples we give you illustrating how and why people get fucked and lose their homes or their jobs or can't find a better job or had to tap into their savings because of a sickness.

Don't make me laugh.

You elitist piece of shit. I asked you a question, I presume you aren't answering it because you help exactly ZERO people.

I help people, I always have. I've helped addicts, gays, the homeless, children, the sick and the dangerous. I've chosen jobs in fields where the pay sucks and it's dangerous because I choose to help people. In addition, I help in my spare time, and I tithe and give generously to those who don't have as much as I do. And I don't have much.

So what exactly have you done for your fellow man lately, besides attack, demean and attempt to degrade him?

 

[Ravi]

many things influence many other things... that does not take away the fact that the government is not responsible, nor should be responsible or charged with taking over the personal welfare of individuals...

What next?? Seize all farms because they can effect general welfare? Seize all housing to redistribute, because it can effect general welfare?

Everyone personally benefits from being an American... not everybody benefits from wealth redistribution and entitlements

I don't consider taxes wealth redistribution. I consider it the price you pay for being an American...or a citizen of any country, for that matter.

 

[AllieBaba]

Only up to a certain point, however. When you're taxed to the point where you can't get ahead, then it's redistribution of wealth.

 

[Ravi]

Only up to a certain point, however. When you're taxed to the point where you can't get ahead, then it's redistribution of wealth.

I've never been taxed to that point and I doubt anyone in this country has been.