Don’t Believe Voter Fraud Happens? Here’s Some Examples

[Foxfyre]

Gerrymandering should also be illegal. Every state should be divided into equal sized divisions according to how many districts it is authorized to have and then let the chips fall where they may.

That would be idiotic to draw districts without taking population into account, if that's what you mean.

Why? The Senate was designed to balance power between small states and the big heavily populated ones. The Electoral College was designed to ensure that the big heavily populated states would not have unreasonably more power than the smaller more sparsely populated states.

Why shouldn't districts within a state be designed with the same purpose in mind?

The one exception would be in a state like ours that is in no way gerrymandered, but District 1 is small and includes the Albuquerque metro area that comprises about half the state population plus Torrance County--sparsely populated but that considers itself part of the metro area. Districts 2 and 3 have much more land area but contain all the rest of the population. In New York I would see NYC as being a single district with the rest of the state divided into equal size districts taking in the rest of the population.

NYC has almost half the population of New York State...how in the world do you consider it fair that 50% of the population gets 4% of the districts?? New York has 27 districts because it has so many people...it has so many people because of NYC...To basically take away the ~15 or so seats from NYC and give them to upstate New York is basically nothing short of stealing.

Not to mention this would lead to corruption about 10x worse then what we see now with gerrymandering.

You forget the two chamber Congress goes "both ways" the small state power in the Senate is balanced out by the large state power in the House...it was something called "compromise".

It is as fair for a large concentration of population to lose power to dictate to all the rest of the population as it is for half the population to have to join together to overcome the power of the half located in one central location. The idea is to make everybody important and to have representation with power and not just those concentrated in a small area.

If all a politician has to do is make promises to, i.e. bribe, a few heavily concentrated populations in order to keep himself in office, how much power does that give to the folks in the less populated areas? And how much does that lend itself to corruption?

Right now each congressional district has ~700,000 or so people in it. Period. It doesn't matter about the geography where they live...each group of people gets their representative. You're trying to make it into an "us" vs "them" situation, it's not. People are people whether they live in a big city or the middle of nowhere. This would completely go against any notion of equality in our government, since it's basically empowering people that live in sparsely populated areas, for no other reason then "the city people are gonna get us"

Under your idea each congressional district could have 8,000,000 people or as few as 500.

Again...it goes both ways, all a politician has to do is make promises to ANYONE...as long as they get a majority it doesn't matter if it's a heavy concentration or not, it's an irrelevant point. What's the difference if they bribe city-dwellers as opposed to bribe farmers??

All a rep has to do now is cater to the people in their district, the same number of about 700,000 people as in any other district, there is no need for them to care about any other group of people outside their district, your point is moot.

The elected representatives are elected to represent the people who vote for them. Period. They are not elected to care about anybody else. They are elected to provide a voice for the people who elect them. The Senator is elected to represent a whole state. They aren't elected to care about people in the next state. They are elected to represent their own state.

The President is elected to care about the whole country.

In New Mexico

Gerrymandering should also be illegal. Every state should be divided into equal sized divisions according to how many districts it is authorized to have and then let the chips fall where they may.

That would be idiotic to draw districts without taking population into account, if that's what you mean.

Why? The Senate was designed to balance power between small states and the big heavily populated ones. The Electoral College was designed to ensure that the big heavily populated states would not have unreasonably more power than the smaller more sparsely populated states.

Why shouldn't districts within a state be designed with the same purpose in mind?

The one exception would be in a state like ours that is in no way gerrymandered, but District 1 is small and includes the Albuquerque metro area that comprises about half the state population plus Torrance County--sparsely populated but that considers itself part of the metro area. Districts 2 and 3 have much more land area but contain all the rest of the population. In New York I would see NYC as being a single district with the rest of the state divided into equal size districts taking in the rest of the population.

NYC has almost half the population of New York State...how in the world do you consider it fair that 50% of the population gets 4% of the districts?? New York has 27 districts because it has so many people...it has so many people because of NYC...To basically take away the ~15 or so seats from NYC and give them to upstate New York is basically nothing short of stealing.

Not to mention this would lead to corruption about 10x worse then what we see now with gerrymandering.

You forget the two chamber Congress goes "both ways" the small state power in the Senate is balanced out by the large state power in the House...it was something called "compromise".

It is as fair for a large concentration of population to lose power to dictate to all the rest of the population as it is for half the population to have to join together to overcome the power of the half located in one central location. The idea is to make everybody important and to have representation with power and not just those concentrated in a small area.

If all a politician has to do is make promises to, i.e. bribe, a few heavily concentrated populations in order to keep himself in office, how much power does that give to the folks in the less populated areas? And how much does that lend itself to corruption?

Right now each congressional district has ~700,000 or so people in it. Period. It doesn't matter about the geography where they live...each group of people gets their representative. You're trying to make it into an "us" vs "them" situation, it's not. People are people whether they live in a big city or the middle of nowhere. This would completely go against any notion of equality in our government, since it's basically empowering people that live in sparsely populated areas, for no other reason then "the city people are gonna get us"

Under your idea each congressional district could have 8,000,000 people or as few as 500.

Again...it goes both ways, all a politician has to do is make promises to ANYONE...as long as they get a majority it doesn't matter if it's a heavy concentration or not, it's an irrelevant point. What's the difference if they bribe city-dwellers as opposed to bribe farmers??

All a rep has to do now is cater to the people in their district, the same number of about 700,000 people as in any other district, there is no need for them to care about any other group of people outside their district, your point is moot.

Our three districts have considerably fewer than 700,000 people. Some states have one representative for the whole state. I had forgotten that at some point the Democratically controlled legislature did take about a third of Albuquerque out of District one and put it with the very blue District 2. Taking so much of the conservative base out of the District 1 effectively turned Albuquerque blue while it was not sufficient to dilute the blueness of District 2. That did more evenly balance the population, but was that gerrymandering as it virtually guaranteed the Democrats a seat they often didn't get before? A lot of us thought that.

I don't care how New York States divides itself up, but I don't think it should be able to do so to ensure that a certain political party is guaranteed a congressional seat.

But I believe the entire population is divided by the 435 seats in Congress and that currently averages out to an average of roughly 700,000 represented by each district except that no state can have less than one district. (When the constitution was ratified, each congressional seat represented a little over 30,000 people.)

 

[longknife]

If Republicans are manufacturing excuses for losing this early, it means they understand how badly they're going to lose.

Notice something about your list?

None of the cases were identified by party.

None of them would have been stopped by more stringent ID.

The most common type of vote fraud is by absentee ballots, which are more often used by Republicans. Naturally, Republicans fight tooth and nail against preventing such vote fraud, because they count so heavily on that vote fraud.

Some posters will do anything to ignore the FACTS!!!!

What does one single thing in your post have to do with proving the OP is in error?

 

[longknife]

We all know the Left strongly declares that the effort to pass voter ID laws is nothing but discrimination as, according to them, there is no such thing as voter fraud.


Well, here an article with a link to almost 200 cases as well as outlining 7 up front.


Now, watch the cries that this can't be true because the site is …. select the charge yourselves. Read the piece @ Don t Believe Voter Fraud Happens Here s Some Examples

Did you even read your own link? None of this fraud mentioned could only be stopped with a gvt issued photo id at the polls. NONE!

Democrats do believe there is voter fraud taking place, we just KNOW it is not from not having gvt issued photo id's....

it's inside jobs with poll workers and others with inside info, it's in absentee ballots, it's in the States not removing dead people from their voter rolls.....

And it's democrat officials desperate as they know the tide is turning against them!

 

[Wuwei]

And it's democrat officials desperate as they know the tide is turning against them!

More right wing Truthiness - a quality characterizing a "truth" that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively "from the gut" or because it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

 

[Care4all]

We all know the Left strongly declares that the effort to pass voter ID laws is nothing but discrimination as, according to them, there is no such thing as voter fraud.


Well, here an article with a link to almost 200 cases as well as outlining 7 up front.


Now, watch the cries that this can't be true because the site is …. select the charge yourselves. Read the piece @ Don t Believe Voter Fraud Happens Here s Some Examples

Did you even read your own link? None of this fraud mentioned could only be stopped with a gvt issued photo id at the polls. NONE!

Democrats do believe there is voter fraud taking place, we just KNOW it is not from not having gvt issued photo id's....

it's inside jobs with poll workers and others with inside info, it's in absentee ballots, it's in the States not removing dead people from their voter rolls.....

And it's democrat officials desperate as they know the tide is turning against them!

WHY label yourself a LIAR, with that kind of useless comment.

Why not show your concern over where REAL VOTER FRAUD takes place?

IT'S OBVIOUS that you don't give 2 hoots about the real voter fraud that is taking place, PROVEN by your own link SHOWING that none of it that happened in your link, would be stopped with gvt issued photo id's....

YOU ONLY WANT to DISENFRANCHISE American citizens of their right to vote because you think they will be voting Democratic.

SHAME ON YOU!

 

[longknife]

I deeply care about anything that violates my right to a fair and secret vote!

I despise those too lazy to get up off their lazy butts to register and go to the polls. And, I equally abhor those who are mindlessly lead by the nose to register and then told how to vote.

There is but one solution to eliminating voter fraud - verifiable ID! Here in Nevada, they've brought about a "Real" diver's license which clearly shows the holder has shown proof of citizenship with the right to vote.

It should be mandatory in every state!

 

[kiwiman127]

Longknife you just keep on keeping on about voter fraud, even though gerrymaking is a much, much bigger fraud.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ol' Longknife just keeps going on and on about everything. The world has changed since the many years ago when he was young, and now he resents that and the young people that are now coming up in the world. Jealousy and achin' bones, the old geezers lot.

 

[Care4all]

We all know the Left strongly declares that the effort to pass voter ID laws is nothing but discrimination as, according to them, there is no such thing as voter fraud.


Well, here an article with a link to almost 200 cases as well as outlining 7 up front.


Now, watch the cries that this can't be true because the site is …. select the charge yourselves. Read the piece @ Don t Believe Voter Fraud Happens Here s Some Examples

Did you even read your own link? None of this fraud mentioned could only be stopped with a gvt issued photo id at the polls. NONE!

Democrats do believe there is voter fraud taking place, we just KNOW it is not from not having gvt issued photo id's....

it's inside jobs with poll workers and others with inside info, it's in absentee ballots, it's in the States not removing dead people from their voter rolls.....

If people did not deliberately use those dead people as an opportunity to cast an illegal vote, those dead people would not be a problem though would they? In the case I witnessed, the person had been dead less than two weeks so there was no opportunity to remove him from the roll. But somebody, knowing he was dead, signed in for him and voted. It would never have been noticed except that his grieving widow saw that somebody has signed him in when she signed in to cast her own vote.

To keep the system honest, people should have to report to the city or county clerk to register in person, show positive ID and proof of residency, all in time to get them onto the roll to vote. Some provision could be made for authorized officials to go to the physically incapacitated to register him/her to vote, but people unwilling to make that effort should not vote.

And people should also get themselves to their assigned precinct on election day, show positive ID, and vote. To assume that requiring people to show positive ID somehow disenfranchises anybody is ludicrous . If a person cannot show that he/she is legally entitled to vote, then he/she is almost certainly not legally entitled to vote when positive ID is necessary to:
Buy alcohol or cigarettes
Open a bank account
Obtain a passport
Apply for food stamps, welfare benefits, social security, Medicaid, Medicare, Obamacare
Apply for a job
Rent or buy a home
Rent or buy a car
Get a driver's license
Fly on a commercial airplane
Get married
Buy a gun
Adopt a child or a pet
Rent a hotel room
Get a fishing or hunting license
Buy a cell phone
Play at a casino
Pick up a prescription or purchase certain cold meds or other products
Buy an M-rated video or video game
Hold a formal rally or protest

But we disenfranchise people by requiring positive ID to vote?

Two weeks is plenty long for the State to remove the dead person from the voter rolls....The State issues a death Certificate the day of their death or within a couple of days.

As far as all of the other things listed that you say you need an id for, YOU are NOT listening to the complaint of the Democrats....you DO NOT need a mandatory government issued Photo ID.....you can use your work id, or a SSAN card or your electric bill with your address and name on it...all are ID'S that people use in their every day lives that do not drive to identify themselves and to get ALL of those strawman things that you have listed.

Making it a govt issued photo id at the polls IS DISENFRANCHISING or making go through hurdles, millions of Americans who have lived their entire lives in this nation of ours, without your gosh darn blessed GOVT (gestapo)PAPERS with Photo, that you are NOW requiring from them.

That's simply wrong, and evil....because the ONLY reason it is being required now, is because Republicans WANT to disenfranchise citizens of their vote because they believe these citizens living their whole lives without a gvt issued photo id, will be voting Democratic...and YES we have Republicans on video or on RECORD, several of them, STATING that this is their GOAL.... got that?

I agree something has to be tightened up in the registration process, but it is the State that needs to do what it is suppose to do, and VERIFY citizenship when a person registers....and the State has a Federal Gvt system that they use to verify citizenship...they don't need your birth certificate to do such...and they use this system for ALL gvt entities of Welfare, to verify you are a citizen or a legal resident eligible for welfare. And it is the State who should verify if you are a felon, in the States that restrict them if they have a felony record, and it is the State that should verify if you are alive or dead and remove your name when dead...etc etc etc.....

(I opened my first bank account without an id, just my payroll stub...I got my first driver's license without a birth certificate and the license itself did not have a photo on it...I bought my first bottle of wine/liquor without an gvt photo ID.......)

Maybe you don't remember what our country was once like, it was the Land of the Free, without this NOOSE that you are forcing us to have....and young ones are fine with all this ID stuff and having the gvt issue Gestapo Papers on all of us, but I AM NOT comfortable AT ALL with it....

Stopping CITIZENS from voting due to them (living their whole lives) not having a gvt photo id or making them go through hurdles in order to vote, after they have voted their entire lives...is nothing less than Evil.

 

[Foxfyre]

We all know the Left strongly declares that the effort to pass voter ID laws is nothing but discrimination as, according to them, there is no such thing as voter fraud.


Well, here an article with a link to almost 200 cases as well as outlining 7 up front.


Now, watch the cries that this can't be true because the site is …. select the charge yourselves. Read the piece @ Don t Believe Voter Fraud Happens Here s Some Examples

Did you even read your own link? None of this fraud mentioned could only be stopped with a gvt issued photo id at the polls. NONE!

Democrats do believe there is voter fraud taking place, we just KNOW it is not from not having gvt issued photo id's....

it's inside jobs with poll workers and others with inside info, it's in absentee ballots, it's in the States not removing dead people from their voter rolls.....

If people did not deliberately use those dead people as an opportunity to cast an illegal vote, those dead people would not be a problem though would they? In the case I witnessed, the person had been dead less than two weeks so there was no opportunity to remove him from the roll. But somebody, knowing he was dead, signed in for him and voted. It would never have been noticed except that his grieving widow saw that somebody has signed him in when she signed in to cast her own vote.

To keep the system honest, people should have to report to the city or county clerk to register in person, show positive ID and proof of residency, all in time to get them onto the roll to vote. Some provision could be made for authorized officials to go to the physically incapacitated to register him/her to vote, but people unwilling to make that effort should not vote.

And people should also get themselves to their assigned precinct on election day, show positive ID, and vote. To assume that requiring people to show positive ID somehow disenfranchises anybody is ludicrous . If a person cannot show that he/she is legally entitled to vote, then he/she is almost certainly not legally entitled to vote when positive ID is necessary to:
Buy alcohol or cigarettes
Open a bank account
Obtain a passport
Apply for food stamps, welfare benefits, social security, Medicaid, Medicare, Obamacare
Apply for a job
Rent or buy a home
Rent or buy a car
Get a driver's license
Fly on a commercial airplane
Get married
Buy a gun
Adopt a child or a pet
Rent a hotel room
Get a fishing or hunting license
Buy a cell phone
Play at a casino
Pick up a prescription or purchase certain cold meds or other products
Buy an M-rated video or video game
Hold a formal rally or protest

But we disenfranchise people by requiring positive ID to vote?

Two weeks is plenty long for the State to remove the dead person from the voter rolls....The State issues a death Certificate the day of their death or within a couple of days.

As far as all of the other things listed that you say you need an id for, YOU are NOT listening to the complaint of the Democrats....you DO NOT need a mandatory government issued Photo ID.....you can use your work id, or a SSAN card or your electric bill with your address and name on it...all are ID'S that people use in their every day lives that do not drive to identify themselves and to get ALL of those strawman things that you have listed.

Making it a govt issued photo id at the polls IS DISENFRANCHISING or making go through hurdles, millions of Americans who have lived their entire lives in this nation of ours, without your gosh darn blessed GOVT (gestapo)PAPERS with Photo, that you are NOW requiring from them.

That's simply wrong, and evil....because the ONLY reason it is being required now, is because Republicans WANT to disenfranchise citizens of their vote because they believe these citizens living their whole lives without a gvt issued photo id, will be voting Democratic...and YES we have Republicans on video or on RECORD, several of them, STATING that this is their GOAL.... got that?

I agree something has to be tightened up in the registration process, but it is the State that needs to do what it is suppose to do, and VERIFY citizenship when a person registers....and the State has a Federal Gvt system that they use to verify citizenship...they don't need your birth certificate to do such...and they use this system for ALL gvt entities of Welfare, to verify you are a citizen or a legal resident eligible for welfare. And it is the State who should verify if you are a felon, in the States that restrict them if they have a felony record, and it is the State that should verify if you are alive or dead and remove your name when dead...etc etc etc.....

(I opened my first bank account without an id, just my payroll stub...I got my first driver's license without a birth certificate and the license itself did not have a photo on it...I bought my first bottle of wine/liquor without an gvt photo ID.......)

Maybe you don't remember what our country was once like, it was the Land of the Free, without this NOOSE that you are forcing us to have....and young ones are fine with all this ID stuff and having the gvt issue Gestapo Papers on all of us, but I AM NOT comfortable AT ALL with it....

Stopping CITIZENS from voting due to them (living their whole lives) not having a gvt photo id or making them go through hurdles in order to vote, after they have voted their entire lives...is nothing less than Evil.

In my opinion, accusing those who want an honest vote of wanting to disenfranchise people is evil.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We all know the Left strongly declares that the effort to pass voter ID laws is nothing but discrimination as, according to them, there is no such thing as voter fraud.


Well, here an article with a link to almost 200 cases as well as outlining 7 up front.


Now, watch the cries that this can't be true because the site is …. select the charge yourselves. Read the piece @ Don t Believe Voter Fraud Happens Here s Some Examples

I doubt anyone - left or right - denies voter fraud exists. Voter fraud is not the issue, the issue is, is the solution to voter fraud worse than the crime?

• How does reducing polling places prevent voter fraud?
• How does moving polling places to greater distances from likely Democratic Voters reduce voter fraud?
• How does preventing students away at college from the right to vote preventing voter fraud?
• How does making roadblocks to obtaining a proper ID preventing voter fraud?

I suspect, it is easier to buy a gun than to vote in many Red States. If voter fraud is so rampant why hasn't Congress issued a National ID card for free, or defined what is a legal form of ID for use in a National Election. Charging would be a poll tax, and if the Congress had taken this issue seriously they would have taken action; a National voter card would put Republican Governors in the spot light if they required different rules for local elections - they would need to figure out new ways to win elections.

 

[Foxfyre]

We all know the Left strongly declares that the effort to pass voter ID laws is nothing but discrimination as, according to them, there is no such thing as voter fraud.


Well, here an article with a link to almost 200 cases as well as outlining 7 up front.


Now, watch the cries that this can't be true because the site is …. select the charge yourselves. Read the piece @ Don t Believe Voter Fraud Happens Here s Some Examples

I doubt anyone - left or right - denies voter fraud exists. Voter fraud is not the issue, the issue is, is the solution to voter fraud worse than the crime?

• How does reducing polling places prevent voter fraud?
• How does moving polling places to greater distances from likely Democratic Voters reduce voter fraud?
• How does preventing students away at college, prevent voter fraud?
• How does making roadblocks to obtaining a proper ID preventing voter fraud?

I suspect, it is easier to buy a gun than to vote in many Red States. If voter fraud is so rampant why hasn't Congress issued a National ID card for free, or defined what is a legal form of ID for use in a National Election. Charging would be a poll tax, and if the Congress had taken this action the issue would be mute, and, would put Republican Governors in the spot light if they required different rules for local elections.

I don't think it should be all that EASY to register to vote or to vote. I want people who care about America and who have a clue what their vote means to be the ones who vote. I don't want people voting who have to be provided a name on a slip of paper and who are promised some kind of reward if they vote for that name to vote.

If having a photo ID is problematic for anybody, then let all those trying to sign up everybody and their dog as voters with the intention of telling them how to vote put their effort into providing a photo ID to the teensy number of people who for whatever reason don't have them. And then they can drive them to the city clerk's office so they can use that photo ID plus proof of residence to register.

People who can't be bothered with all that frankly have no business voting in the first place.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We all know the Left strongly declares that the effort to pass voter ID laws is nothing but discrimination as, according to them, there is no such thing as voter fraud.


Well, here an article with a link to almost 200 cases as well as outlining 7 up front.


Now, watch the cries that this can't be true because the site is …. select the charge yourselves. Read the piece @ Don t Believe Voter Fraud Happens Here s Some Examples

I doubt anyone - left or right - denies voter fraud exists. Voter fraud is not the issue, the issue is, is the solution to voter fraud worse than the crime?

• How does reducing polling places prevent voter fraud?
• How does moving polling places to greater distances from likely Democratic Voters reduce voter fraud?
• How does preventing students away at college, prevent voter fraud?
• How does making roadblocks to obtaining a proper ID preventing voter fraud?

I suspect, it is easier to buy a gun than to vote in many Red States. If voter fraud is so rampant why hasn't Congress issued a National ID card for free, or defined what is a legal form of ID for use in a National Election. Charging would be a poll tax, and if the Congress had taken this action the issue would be mute, and, would put Republican Governors in the spot light if they required different rules for local elections.

I don't think it should be all that EASY to register to vote or to vote. I want people who care about America and who have a clue what their vote means to be the ones who vote. I don't want people voting who have to be provided a name on a slip of paper and who are promised some kind of reward if they vote for that name to vote.

If having a photo ID is problematic for anybody, then let all those trying to sign up everybody and their dog as voters with the intention of telling them how to vote put their effort into providing a photo ID to the teensy number of people who for whatever reason don't have them. And then they can drive them to the city clerk's office so they can use that photo ID plus proof of residence to register.

People who can't be bothered with all that frankly have no business voting in the first place.

Wow, you clearly believe voting is a privilege not a right, and those you don't approve of should be denied the privilege to vote, especially those who can't be bothered?

You also believe those who work to get out the vote engage in a criminal conspiracy.

My opinion is that everyone who wants to vote has the right to vote, prior restraint has no business in the process. Let them vote, then, if an official at the polling place needs proof of the persons eligibility, the burden is on him to place a hold on the vote and the County/Parish Clerk will need to decide to allow the vote or provide evidence under penalty of perjury to the US Attorney, who must then prosecute the alleged offender in Federal Trial Court as well as anyone who conspired to defraud the election.

This ^^^ is the American method of jurisprudence, notwithstanding your opinion and bias.

 

[Foxfyre]

We all know the Left strongly declares that the effort to pass voter ID laws is nothing but discrimination as, according to them, there is no such thing as voter fraud.


Well, here an article with a link to almost 200 cases as well as outlining 7 up front.


Now, watch the cries that this can't be true because the site is …. select the charge yourselves. Read the piece @ Don t Believe Voter Fraud Happens Here s Some Examples

I doubt anyone - left or right - denies voter fraud exists. Voter fraud is not the issue, the issue is, is the solution to voter fraud worse than the crime?

• How does reducing polling places prevent voter fraud?
• How does moving polling places to greater distances from likely Democratic Voters reduce voter fraud?
• How does preventing students away at college, prevent voter fraud?
• How does making roadblocks to obtaining a proper ID preventing voter fraud?

I suspect, it is easier to buy a gun than to vote in many Red States. If voter fraud is so rampant why hasn't Congress issued a National ID card for free, or defined what is a legal form of ID for use in a National Election. Charging would be a poll tax, and if the Congress had taken this action the issue would be mute, and, would put Republican Governors in the spot light if they required different rules for local elections.

I don't think it should be all that EASY to register to vote or to vote. I want people who care about America and who have a clue what their vote means to be the ones who vote. I don't want people voting who have to be provided a name on a slip of paper and who are promised some kind of reward if they vote for that name to vote.

If having a photo ID is problematic for anybody, then let all those trying to sign up everybody and their dog as voters with the intention of telling them how to vote put their effort into providing a photo ID to the teensy number of people who for whatever reason don't have them. And then they can drive them to the city clerk's office so they can use that photo ID plus proof of residence to register.

People who can't be bothered with all that frankly have no business voting in the first place.

Wow, you clearly believe voting is a privilege not a right, and those you don't approve of should be denied the privilege to vote, especially those who can't be bothered?

You also believe those who work to get out the vote engage in a criminal conspiracy.

My opinion is that everyone who wants to vote has the right to vote, prior restraint has no business in the process. Let them vote, then, if an official at the polling place needs proof of the persons eligibility, the burden is on him to place a hold on the vote and the County/Parish Clerk will need to decide to allow the vote or provide evidence under penalty of perjury to the US Attorney, who must then prosecute the alleged offender in Federal Trial Court as well as anyone who conspired to defraud the election.

This ^^^ is the American method of jurisprudence, notwithstanding your opinion and bias.

Well if you think wanting an informed electorate and a fair and honest vote is bias and all the other uglies you accused me of in this post, what can I say? What should we say about those who seem to want to make it easier to commit voter fraud and who don't care if those who vote know who or what they are voting for?

 

[ClosedCaption]

If Republicans are manufacturing excuses for losing this early, it means they understand how badly they're going to lose.

Notice something about your list?

None of the cases were identified by party.

None of them would have been stopped by more stringent ID.

The most common type of vote fraud is by absentee ballots, which are more often used by Republicans. Naturally, Republicans fight tooth and nail against preventing such vote fraud, because they count so heavily on that vote fraud.

Well of course none of it would've been stopped by ID...thats why the OP suggested it would be

 

[longknife]

Longknife you just keep on keeping on about voter fraud, even though gerrymaking is a much, much bigger fraud.

If you bother to do a bit of research, you will learn that some of the worst gerrymandering of all times came from Democrats.

 

[longknife]

Ol' Longknife just keeps going on and on about everything. The world has changed since the many years ago when he was young, and now he resents that and the young people that are now coming up in the world. Jealousy and achin' bones, the old geezers lot.

Typical liberal tripe. Attack the poster in order to ignore the point made.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Woman standing in line behind my sister to vote in the Bronx, "This is my sixth vote today"

 

[Papageorgio]

Voter Fraud doesn't affect elections. It's a petty, miniscule problem. Of course who on here would possibly believe that...

Now that is funny because liberals claim that voter fraud was rampant in 2000 and 2004.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Woman standing in line behind my sister to vote in the Bronx, "This is my sixth vote today"

You are full of shit. The Bronx huh, and we are to infer that alleged serial voted was of African descent. You really are an asshole and a racist.