Do you want political representation or not?

[Oddball]

I doubt you have a clue what this thread is about.

Yes...It's about polishing turds.

I don't accept the legitimacy of the turd known as The State, therefore I see no value in any tinkering and fiddling with its machinations, under the rubric of making the inherently unfair "more fair".

Meanwhile, you argue in favor of a supposedly kinder, gentler, central controlling iron fist.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I doubt you have a clue what this thread is about.

Yes...It's about polishing turds.

I don't accept the legitimacy of the turd known as The State, therefore I see no value in any tinkering and fiddling with its machinations, under the rubric of making the inherently unfair "more fair".

Meanwhile, you argue in favor of a supposedly kinder, gentler, central controlling iron fist.

Thanks for proving me right.

 

[FA_Q2]

www.fairvote.org.

This this and more this.

We don't need a bunch of minor parties and a complete restructuring of the political process here - we need to break the FALSE IMAGE that there is a dichotomy. A ranked voting system would go a VERY long way toward that end.

 

[dblack]

www.fairvote.org.

This this and more this.

We don't need a bunch of minor parties and a complete restructuring of the political process here - we need to break the FALSE IMAGE that there is a dichotomy. A ranked voting system would go a VERY long way toward that end.

Maine has it. Massachusetts is working on it. Several city governments are using it. It's especially appealing to those districts with multi-winner elections, or those that require that the final winner have a majority of the votes, because it avoids the need for a runoff elections.

I think it's the most promising campaign for real change going on right now. It's where I'm putting all my "activist" energy.

 

[FA_Q2]

www.fairvote.org.

This this and more this.

We don't need a bunch of minor parties and a complete restructuring of the political process here - we need to break the FALSE IMAGE that there is a dichotomy. A ranked voting system would go a VERY long way toward that end.

Maine has it. Massachusetts is working on it. Several city governments are using it. It's especially appealing to those districts with multi-winner elections, or those that require that the final winner have a majority of the votes, because it avoids the need for a runoff elections.

I think it's the most promising campaign for real change going on right now. It's where I'm putting all my "activist" energy.

Agree.

Small steps. This is the first one that can open the eyes of Americans to the reality there are more than 2 shitty options. The powers that be will fight this to their dying breath though - they do not want to give up the power.

 

[dblack]

www.fairvote.org.

This this and more this.

We don't need a bunch of minor parties and a complete restructuring of the political process here - we need to break the FALSE IMAGE that there is a dichotomy. A ranked voting system would go a VERY long way toward that end.

Maine has it. Massachusetts is working on it. Several city governments are using it. It's especially appealing to those districts with multi-winner elections, or those that require that the final winner have a majority of the votes, because it avoids the need for a runoff elections.

I think it's the most promising campaign for real change going on right now. It's where I'm putting all my "activist" energy.

Agree.

Small steps. This is the first one that can open the eyes of Americans to the reality there are more than 2 shitty options. The powers that be will fight this to their dying breath though - they do not want to give up the power.

That's why we're starting at the state and local level. Get people used to using it, and used to the difference it affords, and it will be a much easier sell nationally. The real win will be moving to multi-representative districts. That will mitigate gerrymandering as well as lesser-of-two-evils.

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

NO party.
all candidates run as INDIVIDUALS with NO PARTY affiliation.

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

Just another way libs hate America.

pathetic.....sad....sick....twisted.....deplorable....despicable.....

 

[ptbw forever]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

I have already thoroughly debunked this crap.

"Fascist" parties are "investigated"(like the German parties are doing to AfD right now) and then outlawed, which disenfranchises thousands if not millions of voters.

Without freedom of speech European countries EASILY qualify as 3rd world.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

NO party.
all candidates run as INDIVIDUALS with NO PARTY affiliation.

Won't work. It goes against human nature.

 

[Erinwltr]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

Democratic Feudalism.

I envision disco themed knights in shining armor clashing with Marc Singer Beast Master-Like barbarian hordes, while Mork and Mindy run the federal government, and Alf serves as Commander, Joint Chiefs of Staff.

LOL! How in the world did you come up with that?

 

[Windparadox]

NO party. all candidates run as INDIVIDUALS with NO PARTY affiliation.

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Exactly. Both the major parties are "for profit" organizations. They are paid to elect people and their goal is profit. That skews everything. Nothing in the constitution requires a political party.

 

[dblack]

NO party.
all candidates run as INDIVIDUALS with NO PARTY affiliation.

Won't work. It goes against human nature.

Agreed. But there are things we can do to mitigate the control the parties have over the election process. We can also change the way we vote to mitigate the 'spoiler effect', which would encourage independents and third-party candidates to run.

 

[Muhammed]

If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

A party that always puts Americans and America first. A party will, as much as possible, undo the damage that the Democratic party of slavery has done to America. A party that will abolish the collusion between the US government and the banking cartel.

 

[FA_Q2]

NO party.
all candidates run as INDIVIDUALS with NO PARTY affiliation.

Won't work. It goes against human nature.

Agreed. But there are things we can do to mitigate the control the parties have over the election process. We can also change the way we vote to mitigate the 'spoiler effect', which would encourage independents and third-party candidates to run.

I would say it is a lot more than human nature - political parties do serve a purpose in organizing a candidacy. I could imagine how insane the task would be to organize a presidential election for over 300 million people without significant structure already in place.