Do you want political representation or not?

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If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?
 
If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

What I really want is for people to learn the difference between less and fewer.
 
I have found that third party candidates are a wasted vote.
 
If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?




Just another way libs hate America.
 
A true conservative party would be nice. Not the cult of personality that republicans stand for today worshipping the Orange Anus.
 
If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?
More moderate. But my big question here is, in some countries those parties, when elected, form "coalitions" in order to lead. I don't think it's optional--they seem to need to in order to get things done. How does that work? It would certainly be a more cooperative form of government than what we have right now.

That would be great. It would isolate the extremist wings, since no one would want to work and play with them. Or at least one would hope not.
 
If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?

Democratic Feudalism.

I envision disco themed knights in shining armor clashing with Marc Singer Beast Master-Like barbarian hordes, while Mork and Mindy run the federal government, and Alf serves as Commander, Joint Chiefs of Staff.
 
I have found that third party candidates are a wasted vote.

I've never considered my vote wasted. But the lesser-of-evils, plurality voting scheme we use is the core problem. We need to change the way we vote if we want to see a change in the results.
 
If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?
The problem isn't the two party system.

The problem is that conservatives have rendered our rights and protected liberties part of the spoils of victory.

In our Constitutional Republic it should make no difference what party is in power, as it was understood and agreed during the Foundation Era that citizens' rights and protected liberties were beyond the purview of partisan politics.

Conservatives abandoned this fundamental tenant during the Reagan years by pursuing judicial appointments hostile to settled, accepted Constitutional law, 14th Amendment substantive due process and the right to privacy in particular.

With the civil rights of millions of Americans now in jeopardy, the consequence of a reactionary conservative Court majority, concerns about political representation is not of paramount importance.
 
I have found that third party candidates are a wasted vote.

This isn't the topic. The topic is if a third party vote wasn't a waste of time, like with PR.

In Germany if a party gets 5% of the vote, they get seats in parliament. Some places have 3%.

If this were the case, what party would you vote for.
 
If only we could abolish politicians altogether.

I’m a dreamer but not the only one.

Sure, it would be great. The thing the Founding Father saw was that power is always going to be sought and power corrupts, so try and make it as hard as possible to be corrupted and as hard as possible to have enough power to be a problem.

Unfortunately their system is outdated.
 
If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?
More moderate. But my big question here is, in some countries those parties, when elected, form "coalitions" in order to lead. I don't think it's optional--they seem to need to in order to get things done. How does that work? It would certainly be a more cooperative form of government than what we have right now.

That would be great. It would isolate the extremist wings, since no one would want to work and play with them. Or at least one would hope not.

So, in Germany for example, it used to be the liberal SPD and the Greens who got together. They'd have to form a deal, so the Greens would get some things they wanted, in exchange for supporting the SPD's stuff.

The CDU/CSU would form with the FDP.

It's changed, it's been SPD and CDU/CSU together in a grand coalition. Essentially they hammer out a deal of how to work together, and it works.

Politicians can't go far out wacko, because it just doesn't get them far, though that option is still available for those who want to vote it.
 
If you look at the political systems of other countries, you'll find some countries with more political parties than the US, and others with less, ie, dictatorships.

Generally there seems to be about 6 mainstream viewpoints.

Traditional left. This would be the Labour Party in the UK, the SPD in Germany, the PSOE in Spain and this party would be one of the two main parties.

Traditional right. This would be the Tories int he UK, the CDU/CSU in the Germany and the PP in Spain and also one of the two main parties.

We could see that these two sorts of parties are akin to the Republicans and Democrats.

Then you have center left or center right parties. In the UK this might be the Liberal Democrats on the left side of the FDP which is center right in Germany.

Then you have environmental left. Usually called the Green Party.

Then maybe you have socialist parties. In the UK this is a subsection of the Labour Party, Corbyn being one, in Germany they have a separate party.

Also you can have further right parties. Sometimes these are special interest, like UKIP in the UK and AfD in Germany.

Beyond this, less mainstream would be Communist and Fascist parties.

Potentially you have religious parties where the mainstream parties aren't religious enough.

Also you can have special interest parties. Like farmer parties.

If you have Proportional Representation sometimes different interest groups will join together.


The problem in the US is there are only two lots of representation. You either get Republican or Democrat.

If you could have more choice, what sort of party would you vote for in an election?
The problem isn't the two party system.

The problem is that conservatives have rendered our rights and protected liberties part of the spoils of victory.

In our Constitutional Republic it should make no difference what party is in power, as it was understood and agreed during the Foundation Era that citizens' rights and protected liberties were beyond the purview of partisan politics.

Conservatives abandoned this fundamental tenant during the Reagan years by pursuing judicial appointments hostile to settled, accepted Constitutional law, 14th Amendment substantive due process and the right to privacy in particular.

With the civil rights of millions of Americans now in jeopardy, the consequence of a reactionary conservative Court majority, concerns about political representation is not of paramount importance.

I'm sorry but your answer is just way to partisan to bother replying to.
 
If only we could abolish politicians altogether.

I’m a dreamer but not the only one.

Sure, it would be great. The thing the Founding Father saw was that power is always going to be sought and power corrupts, so try and make it as hard as possible to be corrupted and as hard as possible to have enough power to be a problem.

Unfortunately their system is outdated.
the system is fine. our way of thinking has gotten very much ME ME ME *of which* the system was not designed to address.
 
What's the problem?? Obama lectured us that if we wanted to have influence m, we needed to go out there and "win some elections"

We did
 

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