Do you think China really a threat to the United States?

[Hossfly]

If so why?

When ever any Government becomes a very large debtor Nation like ours, all other Nations that the debtor Nation owes to can control us.
China and Japan can control us anytime they wish to do so.

False.

Have you forgot about the Greek government or
The collapse of the Soviet empire in 1989.
Argentina’s bankruptcy in 2001
Germany has gone bankrupt twice. First, after they emptied their coffers to fight World War I. The end of World War II produced another bankruptcy in 1945.
Great Britain also went bankrupt after World War II.
France went bankrupt eight times between 1500 and 1800, including the French Revolution of 1774.
Spain defaulted seven times on its obligations during the 19th century.

Peach, remember, you're trying to argue with history buffs.

 

[rightwinger]

If so why?

When ever any Government becomes a very large debtor Nation like ours, all other Nations that the debtor Nation owes to can control us.
China and Japan can control us anytime they wish to do so.

False.

Have you forgot about the Greek government or
The collapse of the Soviet empire in 1989.
Argentina’s bankruptcy in 2001
Germany has gone bankrupt twice. First, after they emptied their coffers to fight World War I. The end of World War II produced another bankruptcy in 1945.
Great Britain also went bankrupt after World War II.
France went bankrupt eight times between 1500 and 1800, including the French Revolution of 1774.
Spain defaulted seven times on its obligations during the 19th century.

China's Debt-to-GDP Ratio Just Climbed to a Record High

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If so why?

Short-term, no. Long-term, possibly. China's borders are finite, their population though is growing. Eventually to secure more resources most countries opt for military expansion. So long as the US is the one who jumps into other people's business, China v USA is a ongoing possibility.

 

[Syriusly]

Depends upon what you mean by a threat.

A threat as in invading the USA? No.
A threat as in a nuclear threat? Well they are one of the few countries that could harm the United States that way, but I can't see why China would be suicidal.
A threat to the US domination of the geo-politics in the world? Sure.
A threat to the U.S. economically- sure.

China is far more of a threat to her immediate neighbors- and that would include Russia, but primarily Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, Phillippines.

 

[irosie91]

You probably won't know this because the daft American newspapers don't report it, but the US is spending $billions to build up favour in Muslim Malaysia and Indonesia.
This largely unreported (In the west) spending is in the hope of gaining control of the straights of Malacca, the main route for Chinese oil from the middle east and south America.
All Chinese build up is there to counter the US military build up in areas where America has no defensive excuse to be there.
It's half way around the globe from the states, but next door to China.

America, as usual, is the culprit.

as usual----your post makes little sense. If anyone threatens US rights to pass thru the straits------then the US has reason to combat the aggression (remember----
make that STRAITS not "STRAIGHTS" Were you educated in a madrassa? )

How does one build up favor in muslim Malaysia and Indonesia? --employ
the Malaysian and Indonesian muslimah whores? Our guys must be both exhausted and nauseated --------and infected

 

[Indofred]

as usual----your post makes little sense. If anyone threatens US rights to pass thru the straits------then the US has reason to combat the aggression

No one is talking about the US being refused passage, but the US trying to put itself in a position to deny passage to Chinese oil.

 

[Indofred]

A threat to the US domination of the geo-politics in the world? Sure.

And there you have it - Greed starts conflicts

 

[waltky]

Granny says, ... 'freedom of navigation' liable to get us in another crazy Asian war...

U.S. commander says U.S. must exercise freedom of navigation in Asia-Pacific
Sat Oct 10, 2015 - The commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific said on Friday the United States must carry out freedom of navigation patrols throughout the Asia Pacific, but declined to say whether it planned to go within 12 nautical miles of China's artificial islands in the South China Sea.

Admiral Harry Harris told a Washington seminar one of his responsibilities was to offer options to President Barack Obama and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, and added, "I'm comfortable knowing those options are being considered." Asked about reports that the United States planned to challenge 12-nautical mile limits around China's artificial islands, he replied: "I will not confirm that. I simply won't discuss future operations." Pressed on the issue, Harris said: "I believe that we should exercise freedom of navigation wherever we need to. With regards to whether we are going to sail within 12 miles, or fly within 12 miles, of any of the reclaimed islands that China has build in the South China Sea, I will reserve that for later."

This week The Financial Times newspaper cited a senior U.S. official as saying U.S. ships would sail within 12-nautical-mile zones that China claims as territory around the artificial islands in the Spratly chain, within the next two weeks. The Navy Times quoted U.S. officials as saying the action could take place "within days," but was awaiting final approval from the Obama administration. A U.S. defense official told Reuters on Thursday the United States was considering sending ships inside the zones.

On Friday, China's Foreign Ministry said Beijing would not stand for violations of its territorial waters in the name of freedom of navigation and urged "related parties not to take any provocative actions." China claims most of the South China Sea, though Washington has signaled it does not recognize Beijing's claims to islands it has built and that the U.S. Navy will continue to operate wherever international law allows. David Shear, the U.S. assistant secretary of defense, told the Senate Armed Services Committee last month there had been no U.S. patrols within 12 miles of the Chinese-claimed islands since 2012.

UPDATE 1-U.S. commander says U.S. must exercise freedom of navigation in Asia-Pacific

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - we gots the right to sail the ocean blue...

US Asserts Right to South China Sea Presence
October 13, 2015 — In an apparent rebuff to China, Defense Secretary Ash Carter repeated his assertion that the U.S. will “fly, sail and operate wherever international law allows.” He commented in a Tuesday news conference, adding that the South China Sea is not and would not be an exception to that policy.

On Friday, China sent a warning against engaging in “provocative behavior” in the South China Sea that appeared to be directed at the United States. Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Beijing would “never allow any country to violate China’s territorial waters and airspace in the Spratly Islands.” China’s warning followed news reports that the U.S. is considering sailing warships near a nautical zone around artificial islands that China claims as its territory. Asked about the reports on Tuesday, Carter declined to confirm or deny U.S. intentions, saying only that the “uncertainty and excessive military activity in the South China Sea is having the effect of increasing our maritime cooperation with many countries in the region.” He said regional powers were seeking more “interaction” with the U.S. and the U.S. navy, and that U.S. officials are “committed to meeting that demand.”

An aerial view of one of the structures built by China at the Philippine-claimed Mischief Reef, Spratly Islands in South China Sea.​

Overlapping claims fuel tensions

China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei have overlapping claims in the South China Sea, but China has the most extensive claims in the busy and resource-rich waterway. Also, Beijing has constructed a string of artificial islands and recently completed two airstrips on islands that are capable of handling military planes. While the U.S. is not a claimant, it has urged all of the parties involved in the dispute to halt reclamation and any militarization of features. Carter commented as he and Secretary of State John Kerry wrapped up consultations with their Australian counterparts on a wide range of issues.

Australia 'on same page'

In a joint statement following the Australia-United States Ministerial (AUSMIN) talks, the two sides expressed “strong concerns” over China’s recent land reclamation and construction activities in the South China Sea and urged all of the parties involved to pursue claims in accordance with international law. “It does not matter how big a country, the principle is clear,” said Secretary Kerry. “The rights of all nations are supposed to be respected with respect to maritime law.” Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said her country is on the “same page” with the U.S. when it comes to the disputed region, urging claimants not to act “unilaterally” or in a way that would escalate tensions.

US Asserts Right to South China Sea Presence

 

[suplex3000]

I really doubt it. China is way too far away and they seem like pretty peaceful people.

 

[Unkotare]

Human beings are not peaceful creatures.

 

[RodISHI]

Human beings are not peaceful creatures.

Depends on the human as an individual. To say all humans are not peaceful or desire peace would be incorrect. The difference between people is how they handle angry people or hateful people.

 

[Unkotare]

Human beings are not peaceful creatures.

Depends on the human as an individual. To say all humans are not peaceful or desire peace would be incorrect. The difference between people is how they handle angry people or hateful people.

Certainly individuals can be generally peaceful or extraordinarily nuts, but humans in groups are predictably violent and aggressive.

 

[RodISHI]

Human beings are not peaceful creatures.

Depends on the human as an individual. To say all humans are not peaceful or desire peace would be incorrect. The difference between people is how they handle angry people or hateful people.

Certainly individuals can be generally peaceful or extraordinarily nuts, but humans in groups are predictably violent and aggressive.

I think a lot of it depends on the enviroment they are raised in and end up in as young adults.

 

[danielpalos]

If so why?

We have a Commerce Clause; i believe we should engage them in an Industrial Automation race merely to use socialism to bailout capitalism, in that direction.

 

[RodISHI]

If so why?

We have a Commerce Clause; i believe we should engage them in an Industrial Automation race merely to use socialism to bailout capitalism, in that direction.

I think ur somewhat kind a nutz. Thankz 4 ur input though

 

[danielpalos]

If so why?

We have a Commerce Clause; i believe we should engage them in an Industrial Automation race merely to use socialism to bailout capitalism, in that direction.

I think ur somewhat kind a nutz. Thankz 4 ur input though

i think you have nothing but fallacy; thanks for the practice.

 

[Unkotare]

If so why?

We have a Commerce Clause; i believe we should engage them in an Industrial Automation race merely to use socialism to bailout capitalism, in that direction.

I think ur somewhat kind a nutz. Thankz 4 ur input though

i think you have nothing but fallacy; thanks for the practice.

Practice what? Repeating two words you don't understand over and over again? That's all you do here.

 

[waltky]

Will it fly in Beijing?...

US: South China Sea Missions Not Provocative
October 15, 2015: A top U.S. Navy official says it should not be considered provocative that the U.S. is considering sending warships around artificial islands that China claims as its territory.

Admiral John Richardson, the U.S. chief of naval operations, suggested Thursday that such a "freedom of navigation" operation would be consistent with international law. "I don't see how this can be interpreted as provocative or anything. They are just steaming in international waters," Richardson told reporters in Tokyo. "So I think from our standpoint, we would see these as part of our normal business as a global navy," said Richardson. Recent reports suggest the U.S. military could within week’s sail warships inside the 22-kilometer zones of the artificial islands Beijing says are a legitimate extension of its territory. China has been aggressively building up the islands, and in some cases installing military facilities on them in an effort to bolster its claims to the areas, which are also claimed by several other nations.

An aerial photo taken though a glass window of a Philippine military plane shows the alleged ongoing land reclamation by China on mischief reef in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, west of Palawan, Philippines​

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter, who has called on Beijing to stop the construction, this week insisted the U.S. will "fly, sail and operate wherever international law allows," noting that the South China Sea is not an exception to that policy. China's Foreign Ministry has warned against engaging in "provocative behavior" in the South China Sea, and vowed it will "never allow any country to violate" its territorial waters or airspace. The Communist Party-run Global Times newspaper, whose opinions often reflect government opinion, said in an editorial China "absolutely must not permit the U.S. side's warships and planes to behave unscrupulously near islands and reefs claimed by China. "China's naval and air capacities must prepare, watch for U.S. military provocations and respond accordingly with countermeasures," the editorial added.

The Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei all have overlapping claims with China in the South China Sea, a resource-rich area through which $5 trillion worth of goods move across each year. The U.S. says it does not take a position on the territorial disputes, but has condemned what it sees as China's increasingly aggressive behavior toward its neighbors in the area. Washington has also developed closer military ties with many Asian countries, including some that have competing territorial claims with China.

US: South China Sea Missions Not Provocative

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Carter: US Will Sail Near Spratly Islands Any Time It Wants
Oct 14, 2015 | WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Navy will not be deterred from conducting a close patrol of China's manmade Spratly Islands, if it chooses, Secretary of Defense Ash Carter said Tuesday.

"We will fly, sail and operate wherever the international law permits, and we will do that at the times and places of our choosing, and there's no exception to that," Carter said in Boston, where he and Secretary of State John Kerry were meeting with their Australian counterparts. "Whether it's the Arctic, or the sea lanes that fuel international commerce widely around the world, or the South China Sea." Carter said the United States wants China and the other countries to halt reclamation and militarization activities on the Spratly Islands, a collection of islands, rocks and elevated coral reefs. According to a recent maritime report by the Department of Defense, there are more than 200 Spratly land features, though that figure varies based on how geographers count them. Vietnam occupies 48 of the Spratlys, Taiwan occupies one, the Philippines occupies eight, Malaysia occupies five and China occupies eight, according to the report.

The littoral combat ship USS Fort Worth conducts routine patrols in international waters of the South China Sea near the Spratly Islands as the People's Liberation Army-Navy guided-missile frigate Yancheng sails close behind​

China, Taiwan and Vietnam each claim all of the Spratly land features. But it's China's rapid buildup of an airstrip on the Fiery Cross Reef that has generated the most concern. U.S. officials have begun briefing their Pacific allies on the proposed sail, which could come as close as 12 nautical miles to the Chinese buildup, according to news reports. Every nation can claim up to 12 nautical miles from its coast as sovereign territory. Carter said the United States is not taking a position on which nations have sovereignty over the islands. "In the meantime, the United States continues to call for all parties to halt further reclamation and any further militarization of features in the South China Sea." Australia has interest in free navigation of the South China Sea, because about two-thirds of the country's merchandise trade passes through those waters, said Julie Bishop, Australian Foreign Affairs Minister. "We have said consistently and persistently that the reclamation work carried out notably by China, but by any others, should halt," she said.

Carter said the effect of China's buildup on the Spratly Islands has been "increasing our maritime cooperation with many countries in the region. They're asking for more interaction with the United States and the United States Navy." The U.S. 7th Fleet has seven combat ships -- four destroyers, a dock landing ship, a littoral ship and a minesweeper -- at sea in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region, Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Timothy Hawkins said. One destroyer is conducting "presence operations" in the South China Sea, designed to reinforce the U.S. ship's right to be there, he said.

Carter: US Will Sail Near Spratly Islands Any Time It Wants | Military.com

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Inside the Ring: Details of Chinese space weapons revealed - Washington Times

"A forthcoming report by the congressional U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission provides new details of China’s space-weapons programs, dubbed counterspace arms, that are aimed at destroying or jamming U.S. satellites and limiting American combat operations around the world."

more at link


Seems they think we're a threat.