Do You Consider the Destruction of Israel a "Personal Tragedy?"

[Billo_Really]

The rogue state of Israel is nothing but a terrorist base camp.

That is used by the ruling Zionist cabal to stock pile weapons.

As they continue to create chaos and war all over the world in order to enrich themselves.

And strive for their ultimate goal of complete political and financial domination of all non-Jewish people.

You know, there are liberal jewish groups that object to their country's treatment of the Palestinian's, but their right-wing Likud Party is busy making any objection to Israeli policy a crime. Which means any Jews speaking out for human rights, are treated like Palestinian's.

Zionist's are assholes, just like our own neocon's. They used Judaism to further their political agenda.

It's funny, 700 years ago, jews and arabs lived side-by-side for centuries with no major problems. Now it's just a cluster fuck.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Why? He believed that Israel wants to dominate the whole Arabian Peninsula while you believe Israel tires to dominate the whole world.

It would seem that he was less extreme then you.

To a Zionist, the "Truth" is extreme; no matter who says it.

How convenient it is that whenever you can't find an argument to support your case you just use the word "Zionist" as a defense.

Sadly me being a Zionist or not does not negate the fact that you and the late Osama are of the same mind.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You're an idiot, Algeria and Nam aren't France, so France was never attacked...

Again, your ignorance is vast and profound. Algeria was a part of France and Vietnam was a French territory, just as Hawaii was a US territory when when the military base at Pearl Harbor was bombed. Of course, if you weren't dumb as a rock, you'd realize that none of this matters. The fact is that France's nukes did not deter attacks on French forces and French civilians in Vietnam and Algeria, just as US nukes did not deter attacks on US forces in Korea or Vietnam and Israeli nukes did not deter attacks by Egypt and Syria in 1973 and Russian nukes did not deter attacks on Russian forces and Russian civilians from Chechnya. Four out of the world's nine nuclear powers have suffered attacks by conventional forces, clearly showing that the possession of nukes provides no deterrence from conventional attacks, and there is no evidence that any country was ever deterred from an attack because the target country possessed nukes.

The were colonies, ok, but that's STILL not attacking France itself. And you're forgetting one important thing: FRANCE DIDN"T HAVE NUKES BACK THEN!

Those dirty bastard Nips nailed us in a sneak attack and are just lucky we only had the 2 bombs, lol. Plus, as has been mentioned several times, if you don't ever use your nukes, you have no deterrent. Just like you can't deter crime if you never convict anyone, but only threaten to.

France developed the bomb in 1960 while it was fighting a war in Algeria.

Hawaii didn't become a state until 1959. When the Japanese attacked our military base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii was in effect a US colony, so by your reasoning, the US was never attacked. Our nuclear weapons were never intended to deter all attacks just as the death penalty or life in prison is not intended to deter all crimes. Our second strike capability is intended to deter a first strike by Russia because our conventional forces would be inadequate to defend what was left of us after a Russian nuclear attack. Our first strike capability is a last ditch option to be used only when our conventional forces are in danger of being overrun or we would incur unacceptably high casualties if we didn't use nukes.

 

[docmauser1]

You know, there are liberal jewish groups that object to their country's treatment of the Palestinian's,

If anyone shows me an equal amount of those, let's say, "palistanian liberal groups", staging peace demos in Ramallah, gazabad - we will talk liberal groups, until that - forget the bull.

... It's funny, 700 years ago, jews and arabs lived side-by-side for centuries with no major problems.

Hilarious drivel!

 

[georgephillip]

How many of the following are awarded for "friendly fire" actions?

"...awarded collectively one Medal of Honor, two Navy Crosses, eleven Silver Stars, twenty Bronze Stars (with "V" device), nine Navy Commendation Medals, and two hundred and four Purple Hearts. In addition, the ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation."

Shortly before rescue jets arrived Liberty's crew noted the following:

"Israeli attack helicopters arrived over the ship.[32] Survivors report that the helicopters were packed with men in combat battle dress. The Captain of USS Liberty gave the order to 'prepare to repel boarders'[33] but the helicopters departed without attempting to land their troops.[34] "

The heroic Jews were about to put boots on deck, assassinate every US service member in cold blood, plant charges that would send the ship to the bottom with no survivors AND THEN BLAME EGYPT.

It would've worked like a charm in June of '67.

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

These sailors apparently behaved well in a very challenging situation, but the fact that they received medals has nothing to do with whether Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty. Seven US investigations found there was no evidence the attack was other than a regrettable accident.

U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967

Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967.

CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967

Clark Clifford Report of July 1967

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony during hearings of the 1967 Foreign Aid
Authorization bill, July 1967

House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971

The NSA History Report of 1981

"The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry record contains testimony by fourteen Liberty crew members and five subject matter experts; exhibits of attack damage photographs, various messages and memorandums; and findings of fact.

"The testimony record reveals 'a shallow investigation, plagued by myriad disagreements between the captain and his crew.'[47]

"As to culpability, 'It was not the responsibility of the court to rule on the culpability of the attackers, and no evidence was heard from the attacking nation', the court concluded that 'available evidence combines to indicate ... (that the attack was) a case of mistaken identity.'"

Possibly the available evidence would have been different if the court had taken responsibility to rule on culpability?

Do you know of any friendly fire incidents in which one Medal of Honor, two Navy Crosses, eleven Silver Stars, twenty Bronze Stars (with "V" device) and nine Navy Commendation Medals were awarded?

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

How many of the following are awarded for "friendly fire" actions?

"...awarded collectively one Medal of Honor, two Navy Crosses, eleven Silver Stars, twenty Bronze Stars (with "V" device), nine Navy Commendation Medals, and two hundred and four Purple Hearts. In addition, the ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation."

Shortly before rescue jets arrived Liberty's crew noted the following:

"Israeli attack helicopters arrived over the ship.[32] Survivors report that the helicopters were packed with men in combat battle dress. The Captain of USS Liberty gave the order to 'prepare to repel boarders'[33] but the helicopters departed without attempting to land their troops.[34] "

The heroic Jews were about to put boots on deck, assassinate every US service member in cold blood, plant charges that would send the ship to the bottom with no survivors AND THEN BLAME EGYPT.

It would've worked like a charm in June of '67.

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

These sailors apparently behaved well in a very challenging situation, but the fact that they received medals has nothing to do with whether Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty. Seven US investigations found there was no evidence the attack was other than a regrettable accident.

U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967

Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967.

CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967

Clark Clifford Report of July 1967

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony during hearings of the 1967 Foreign Aid
Authorization bill, July 1967

House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971

The NSA History Report of 1981

"The Joint Chief of Staff's Report contains findings of fact related only to communication system failures associated with the Liberty attack. It was not concerned with matters of culpability, nor does it contain statements thereof.

"The CIA Memorandums consist of two documents: one dated June 13, 1967, and the other dated June 21, 1967. The June 13 memorandum is an 'account of circumstances of the attack ... compiled from all available sources.'

"The June 21 memorandum is a point-by-point analysis of Israeli inquiry findings of fact. It concludes: 'The attack was not made in malice toward the U.S. and was by mistake, but the failure of the IDF Headquarters and the attacking aircraft to identify the Liberty and the subsequent attack by torpedo boats were both incongruous and indicative of gross negligence.'"

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

How many of the following are awarded for "friendly fire" actions?

"...awarded collectively one Medal of Honor, two Navy Crosses, eleven Silver Stars, twenty Bronze Stars (with "V" device), nine Navy Commendation Medals, and two hundred and four Purple Hearts. In addition, the ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation."

Shortly before rescue jets arrived Liberty's crew noted the following:

"Israeli attack helicopters arrived over the ship.[32] Survivors report that the helicopters were packed with men in combat battle dress. The Captain of USS Liberty gave the order to 'prepare to repel boarders'[33] but the helicopters departed without attempting to land their troops.[34] "

The heroic Jews were about to put boots on deck, assassinate every US service member in cold blood, plant charges that would send the ship to the bottom with no survivors AND THEN BLAME EGYPT.

It would've worked like a charm in June of '67.

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

These sailors apparently behaved well in a very challenging situation, but the fact that they received medals has nothing to do with whether Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty. Seven US investigations found there was no evidence the attack was other than a regrettable accident.

U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967

Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967.

CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967

Clark Clifford Report of July 1967

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony during hearings of the 1967 Foreign Aid
Authorization bill, July 1967

House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971

The NSA History Report of 1981

"The Clark Clifford Report consists of a review of 'all available information on the subject' and 'deals with the question of Israeli culpability', according to its transmittal memorandum.

"The report concludes: 'The unprovoked attack on the Liberty constitutes a flagrant act of gross negligence for which the Israeli Government should be held completely responsible, and the Israeli military personnel involved should be punished.'"

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony contains, as an aside matter during hearings concerning a foreign aid authorization bill, questions and statements from several senators and responses from then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, about the Liberty attack.

"For the most part, the senators were dismayed about the attack, as expressed by Senator Bourke B. Hickenlooper: 'From what I have read I can't tolerate for 1 minute that this [attack] was an accident.'

"Also, there was concern about obtaining more information about the attack, as expressed by Committee Chairman J. William Fulbright: 'We asked for [the attack investigation report] about 2 weeks ago and have not received it yet from Secretary Rusk. ... By the time we get to it we will be on some other subject.'

"Secretary McNamara promised fast delivery of the investigation report ('... you will have it in 4 hours.'), and concluded his remarks by saying: 'I simply want to emphasize that the investigative report does not show any evidence of a conscious intent to attack a U.S. vessel.'

"Since the hearings concerned a foreign aid bill, the committee's report omitted any mention of the Liberty incident."

 

[Hossfly]

How many of the following are awarded for "friendly fire" actions?

"...awarded collectively one Medal of Honor, two Navy Crosses, eleven Silver Stars, twenty Bronze Stars (with "V" device), nine Navy Commendation Medals, and two hundred and four Purple Hearts. In addition, the ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation."

Shortly before rescue jets arrived Liberty's crew noted the following:

"Israeli attack helicopters arrived over the ship.[32] Survivors report that the helicopters were packed with men in combat battle dress. The Captain of USS Liberty gave the order to 'prepare to repel boarders'[33] but the helicopters departed without attempting to land their troops.[34] "

The heroic Jews were about to put boots on deck, assassinate every US service member in cold blood, plant charges that would send the ship to the bottom with no survivors AND THEN BLAME EGYPT.

It would've worked like a charm in June of '67.

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

These sailors apparently behaved well in a very challenging situation, but the fact that they received medals has nothing to do with whether Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty. Seven US investigations found there was no evidence the attack was other than a regrettable accident.

U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967

Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967.

CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967

Clark Clifford Report of July 1967

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony during hearings of the 1967 Foreign Aid
Authorization bill, July 1967

House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971

The NSA History Report of 1981

"The Clark Clifford Report consists of a review of 'all available information on the subject' and 'deals with the question of Israeli culpability', according to its transmittal memorandum.

"The report concludes: 'The unprovoked attack on the Liberty constitutes a flagrant act of gross negligence for which the Israeli Government should be held completely responsible, and the Israeli military personnel involved should be punished.'"

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony contains, as an aside matter during hearings concerning a foreign aid authorization bill, questions and statements from several senators and responses from then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, about the Liberty attack.

"For the most part, the senators were dismayed about the attack, as expressed by Senator Bourke B. Hickenlooper: 'From what I have read I can't tolerate for 1 minute that this [attack] was an accident.'

"Also, there was concern about obtaining more information about the attack, as expressed by Committee Chairman J. William Fulbright: 'We asked for [the attack investigation report] about 2 weeks ago and have not received it yet from Secretary Rusk. ... By the time we get to it we will be on some other subject.'

"Secretary McNamara promised fast delivery of the investigation report ('... you will have it in 4 hours.'), and concluded his remarks by saying: 'I simply want to emphasize that the investigative report does not show any evidence of a conscious intent to attack a U.S. vessel.'

"Since the hearings concerned a foreign aid bill, the committee's report omitted any mention of the Liberty incident."

What does this rehash of the Liberty have to do with the price of figs in Fiji?

 

[georgephillip]

How many of the following are awarded for "friendly fire" actions?

"...awarded collectively one Medal of Honor, two Navy Crosses, eleven Silver Stars, twenty Bronze Stars (with "V" device), nine Navy Commendation Medals, and two hundred and four Purple Hearts. In addition, the ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation."

Shortly before rescue jets arrived Liberty's crew noted the following:

"Israeli attack helicopters arrived over the ship.[32] Survivors report that the helicopters were packed with men in combat battle dress. The Captain of USS Liberty gave the order to 'prepare to repel boarders'[33] but the helicopters departed without attempting to land their troops.[34] "

The heroic Jews were about to put boots on deck, assassinate every US service member in cold blood, plant charges that would send the ship to the bottom with no survivors AND THEN BLAME EGYPT.

It would've worked like a charm in June of '67.

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

These sailors apparently behaved well in a very challenging situation, but the fact that they received medals has nothing to do with whether Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty. Seven US investigations found there was no evidence the attack was other than a regrettable accident.

U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967

Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967.

CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967

Clark Clifford Report of July 1967

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony during hearings of the 1967 Foreign Aid
Authorization bill, July 1967

House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971

The NSA History Report of 1981

"The House Armed Services Committee Investigation report is entitled, 'Review of Department of Defense Worldwide Communications'. It was not an investigation focused on the Liberty attack; although, the committee's report contains a section that describes communications flow involved with the Liberty incident.

"The NSA History Report is, as its name connotes, a historical report that cited the U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry record, various military and government messages and memorandum, and personal interviews for its content. The report ends with a section entitled, 'Unanswered Questions', and provides no conclusion regarding culpability."

"The Liberty Veterans Association (composed of veterans from the ship) states that U.S. congressional investigations and other U.S. investigations were not actually investigations into the attack; but, rather, reports using evidence only from the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, or investigations unrelated to culpability that involved issues such as communications.

"In their view, the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry is the only actual investigation on the incident to date. They claim it was hastily conducted, in only 10 days, even though the court’s president, Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd, said that it would take 6 months to conduct properly.

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

These sailors apparently behaved well in a very challenging situation, but the fact that they received medals has nothing to do with whether Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty. Seven US investigations found there was no evidence the attack was other than a regrettable accident.

U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967

Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967.

CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967

Clark Clifford Report of July 1967

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony during hearings of the 1967 Foreign Aid
Authorization bill, July 1967

House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971

The NSA History Report of 1981

"The Clark Clifford Report consists of a review of 'all available information on the subject' and 'deals with the question of Israeli culpability', according to its transmittal memorandum.

"The report concludes: 'The unprovoked attack on the Liberty constitutes a flagrant act of gross negligence for which the Israeli Government should be held completely responsible, and the Israeli military personnel involved should be punished.'"

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony contains, as an aside matter during hearings concerning a foreign aid authorization bill, questions and statements from several senators and responses from then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, about the Liberty attack.

"For the most part, the senators were dismayed about the attack, as expressed by Senator Bourke B. Hickenlooper: 'From what I have read I can't tolerate for 1 minute that this [attack] was an accident.'

"Also, there was concern about obtaining more information about the attack, as expressed by Committee Chairman J. William Fulbright: 'We asked for [the attack investigation report] about 2 weeks ago and have not received it yet from Secretary Rusk. ... By the time we get to it we will be on some other subject.'

"Secretary McNamara promised fast delivery of the investigation report ('... you will have it in 4 hours.'), and concluded his remarks by saying: 'I simply want to emphasize that the investigative report does not show any evidence of a conscious intent to attack a U.S. vessel.'

"Since the hearings concerned a foreign aid bill, the committee's report omitted any mention of the Liberty incident."

What does this rehash of the Liberty have to do with the price of figs in Fiji?

Maybe it has more to do with the price of sugar in Cuba?
(Or the price of oil in Egypt??)

"Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. [2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere.

"These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to 'develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.'

"Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government..."

"Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets.

"The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you still in denial about the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet or who profits from the resulting mass murders/maimings/displacments?

 

[Hossfly]

"The Clark Clifford Report consists of a review of 'all available information on the subject' and 'deals with the question of Israeli culpability', according to its transmittal memorandum.

"The report concludes: 'The unprovoked attack on the Liberty constitutes a flagrant act of gross negligence for which the Israeli Government should be held completely responsible, and the Israeli military personnel involved should be punished.'"

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony contains, as an aside matter during hearings concerning a foreign aid authorization bill, questions and statements from several senators and responses from then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, about the Liberty attack.

"For the most part, the senators were dismayed about the attack, as expressed by Senator Bourke B. Hickenlooper: 'From what I have read I can't tolerate for 1 minute that this [attack] was an accident.'

"Also, there was concern about obtaining more information about the attack, as expressed by Committee Chairman J. William Fulbright: 'We asked for [the attack investigation report] about 2 weeks ago and have not received it yet from Secretary Rusk. ... By the time we get to it we will be on some other subject.'

"Secretary McNamara promised fast delivery of the investigation report ('... you will have it in 4 hours.'), and concluded his remarks by saying: 'I simply want to emphasize that the investigative report does not show any evidence of a conscious intent to attack a U.S. vessel.'

"Since the hearings concerned a foreign aid bill, the committee's report omitted any mention of the Liberty incident."

What does this rehash of the Liberty have to do with the price of figs in Fiji?

Maybe it has more to do with the price of sugar in Cuba?
(Or the price of oil in Egypt??)

"Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. [2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere.

"These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to 'develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.'

"Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government..."

"Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets.

"The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you still in denial about the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet or who profits from the resulting mass murders/maimings/displacments?

Still in de nile. Ever read this?

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/liberty0667.pdf

 

[georgephillip]

What does this rehash of the Liberty have to do with the price of figs in Fiji?

Maybe it has more to do with the price of sugar in Cuba?
(Or the price of oil in Egypt??)

"Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. [2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere.

"These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to 'develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.'

"Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government..."

"Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets.

"The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you still in denial about the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet or who profits from the resulting mass murders/maimings/displacments?

Still in de nile. Ever read this?

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/liberty0667.pdf

Who ya gonna believe...CIA, NSA...?

"On the day of the attack on the Liberty, I read yellow teletype sheets that spewed from the machines in front of me all day. We obtained our input from a variety of sources including the NSA. The teletypes were raw translations of intercepts of Israeli air-to-air and air-to-ground communications between jet aircraft and their ground controller. I read page after page of these transcripts that day as it went on and on.

"The transcripts made specific reference to the efforts to direct the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times by the ground controller.

"Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying.

"There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace.

"The pilots stated they had made several runs and the target was still floating.

"The ground control station re-iterated that it was urgent that the target be sunk, leaving no trace. There was a detectable level of frustration evident in the transmissions over the fact that the aircraft were unable to accomplish the mission quickly and totally."

Why do you suppose Israeli ground controllers wanted Liberty sunk without a trace?

Statement of Stephen Forslund

 

[Wolverine1984]

Who ya gonna believe...CIA, NSA...?

Statement of Stephen Forslund

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

 

[Jos]

Who ya gonna believe...CIA, NSA...?

Statement of Stephen Forslund

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

You filthy mother fucker, you mock the site of the survivors of Israels attack ussliberty.org

 

[georgephillip]

Who ya gonna believe...CIA, NSA...?

Statement of Stephen Forslund

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

Shady???

USS Liberty Memorial

Do the names Jim Ennes and Joe Meadors mean anything to you?

 

[JStone]

Barack Obama

The bond between the United States and Israel is unbreakable. It encompasses our national security interests, our strategic interests, but most importantly, the bond of two democracies who share a common set of values."
Remarks by President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu

US Government USS Liberty Investigation...

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional
http://www.sixdaywar.org/uss-liberty.asp

 

[georgephillip]

Who ya gonna believe...CIA, NSA...?

Statement of Stephen Forslund

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

You filthy mother fucker, you mock the site of the survivors of Israels attack ussliberty.org

Isn't it surprising how little regard some Israelis have for the opinions of every single survivor of Liberty? Maybe their knee-jerk support for Empire blinds them to crimes like the attack on Liberty?

Maybe they are afraid of Liberty...

 

[JStone]

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

You filthy mother fucker, you mock the site of the survivors of Israels attack ussliberty.org

Isn't it surprising how little regard some Israelis have for the opinions of every single survivor of Liberty? Maybe their knee-jerk support for Empire blinds them to crimes like the attack on Liberty?

Maybe they are afraid of Liberty...

Multiple US government bodies determined the USS Liberty incident was an accident.

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional
USS Liberty

 

[georgephillip]

Barack Obama

The bond between the United States and Israel is unbreakable. It encompasses our national security interests, our strategic interests, but most importantly, the bond of two democracies who share a common set of values."
Remarks by President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu

US Government USS Liberty Investigation...

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional
USS Liberty

"The aircraft eventually broke off and we received no further transcripts of the event. I have since learned in later descriptions of the attack that torpedo boats attacked the Liberty also. I saw neither intercepts nor analyses that addressed that attack.

"An hour or two later I was discussing the event with a team member and he stated they had received, during the time frame of the attack, an intercept of a US State Department message to Israel stating that the United States had full evidence of what had occurred in the attack on the Liberty and strongly warning Israel to cease activities immediately.

"Imagine my surprise when, upon going home that night, I was watching the evening news and a short piece that gave vague reference to a mistaken attack by Israel upon an American ship off Sinai came on.

"The next day there was a small article buried in the A section of the paper stating that there had been an accidental attack on the USS Liberty and that the governments involved were in discussions.

"I saw little mention after that in the popular press and, of course, said nothing for the next 36 years.

"I read these discussions debating whether Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty and what their motivation would have been for a deliberate attack. I can't debate their motivation. But, I will carry the memory of those transcripts with me until I die.

"We all lost our virginity that day."

While you are still a whore for war...

Statement of Stephen Forslund

 

[JStone]

Barack Obama

The bond between the United States and Israel is unbreakable. It encompasses our national security interests, our strategic interests, but most importantly, the bond of two democracies who share a common set of values."
Remarks by President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu

US Government USS Liberty Investigation...

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional
USS Liberty

"The aircraft eventually broke off and we received no further transcripts of the event. I have since learned in later descriptions of the attack that torpedo boats attacked the Liberty also. I saw neither intercepts nor analyses that addressed that attack.

"An hour or two later I was discussing the event with a team member and he stated they had received, during the time frame of the attack, an intercept of a US State Department message to Israel stating that the United States had full evidence of what had occurred in the attack on the Liberty and strongly warning Israel to cease activities immediately.

"Imagine my surprise when, upon going home that night, I was watching the evening news and a short piece that gave vague reference to a mistaken attack by Israel upon an American ship off Sinai came on.

"The next day there was a small article buried in the A section of the paper stating that there had been an accidental attack on the USS Liberty and that the governments involved were in discussions.

"I saw little mention after that in the popular press and, of course, said nothing for the next 36 years.

"I read these discussions debating whether Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty and what their motivation would have been for a deliberate attack. I can't debate their motivation. But, I will carry the memory of those transcripts with me until I die.

"We all lost our virginity that day."

While you are still a whore for war...

Statement of Stephen Forslund

Multiple US Government Bodies Determined The Liberty Incident An Accident.

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional
USS Liberty