Do You Consider the Destruction of Israel a "Personal Tragedy?"

[Wolverine1984]

Who ya gonna believe...CIA, NSA...?

Statement of Stephen Forslund

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

You filthy mother fucker, you mock the site of the survivors of Israels attack ussliberty.org

The site is "http://www.gtr5.com/" the domain ussliberty.org does not exist.".com" meaning it's commercial , anyone could set it up.

Who ya gonna believe...CIA, NSA...?

Statement of Stephen Forslund

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

Shady???

USS Liberty Memorial

Do the names Jim Ennes and Joe Meadors mean anything to you?

What does it matter ?
The site was created by Jim Ennes , who to say he is painting an accurate picture of reality ?

There is a multitude of sources on this issue , some claim Israel did it on purpose others claim Israel did not do it on purpose , the fact that you select one source and claim it's true based on nothing then your feeling makes you a hypocrite.

 

[JStone]

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

You filthy mother fucker, you mock the site of the survivors of Israels attack ussliberty.org

The site is "http://www.gtr5.com/" the domain ussliberty.org does not exist.".com" meaning it's commercial , anyone could set it up.

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

Shady???

USS Liberty Memorial

Do the names Jim Ennes and Joe Meadors mean anything to you?

What does it matter ?
The site was created by Jim Ennes , who to say he is painting an accurate picture of reality ?

There is a multitude of sources on this issue , some claim Israel did it on purpose others claim Israel did not do it on purpose , the fact that you select one source and claim it's true based on nothing then your feeling makes you a hypocrite.

Israel, the size of Vermont, intentionally perpetrated an act of war against the US?

 

[georgephillip]

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

You filthy mother fucker, you mock the site of the survivors of Israels attack ussliberty.org

The site is "http://www.gtr5.com/" the domain ussliberty.org does not exist.".com" meaning it's commercial , anyone could set it up.

No , by all means , a shady site which was set up by god know who is far more reliable...

If you claim you don't know who to believe that's ok.

However it's highly hypocritical of you to say that one source is surly false and the other is surly true , when you don't have any factual evidence for either.

Shady???

USS Liberty Memorial

Do the names Jim Ennes and Joe Meadors mean anything to you?

What does it matter ?
The site was created by Jim Ennes , who to say he is painting an accurate picture of reality ?

There is a multitude of sources on this issue , some claim Israel did it on purpose others claim Israel did not do it on purpose , the fact that you select one source and claim it's true based on nothing then your feeling makes you a hypocrite.

Jim Ennes was there as was David Lewis:
Were you?

"At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled, according to the Liberty's senior Naval Security Group officer, Lieutenant Commander David Lewis.

"Lewis made an audio recording and later wrote about a meeting 6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis requested in his cabins: 'He told me that since I was the senior Liberty survivor on board he wanted to tell me in confidence what had actually transpired.

"'He told me that upon receipt of our SOS, aircraft were launched to come to our assistance and then Washington was notified. He said that the Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) had ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier, which was done.

"'RADM Geis then said that he speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons. These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions.

"'Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled.

"'He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink. This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies.."

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Wolverine1984]

Israel, the size of Vermont, intentionally perpetrated an act of war against the US?

Indeed
You know , Israel's small size doesn't even matter . The US and Israel are allies and was allies at that time ... There is no reason whatsoever for Israel to attack that vessel intentionally.
And goerge's 'Not shady' sites does not offer an answer to the question 'Why would Israel do it.'

 

[georgephillip]

You filthy mother fucker, you mock the site of the survivors of Israels attack ussliberty.org

The site is "http://www.gtr5.com/" the domain ussliberty.org does not exist.".com" meaning it's commercial , anyone could set it up.

Shady???

USS Liberty Memorial

Do the names Jim Ennes and Joe Meadors mean anything to you?

What does it matter ?
The site was created by Jim Ennes , who to say he is painting an accurate picture of reality ?

There is a multitude of sources on this issue , some claim Israel did it on purpose others claim Israel did not do it on purpose , the fact that you select one source and claim it's true based on nothing then your feeling makes you a hypocrite.

Israel, the size of Vermont, intentionally perpetrated an act of war against the US?

What makes you think Israel initiated the plan?

 

[Wolverine1984]

Jim Ennes was there as was David Lewis:
Were you?

Are you serious ? How does him being there guarantee him knowing the attack was intentional ? How does him being there guarantee him telling the truth ?

For proving your point , your side have to present irrefutable evidence, your site did not show evidence , only stories ...

 

[JStone]

The site is "http://www.gtr5.com/" the domain ussliberty.org does not exist.".com" meaning it's commercial , anyone could set it up.






What does it matter ?
The site was created by Jim Ennes , who to say he is painting an accurate picture of reality ?

There is a multitude of sources on this issue , some claim Israel did it on purpose others claim Israel did not do it on purpose , the fact that you select one source and claim it's true based on nothing then your feeling makes you a hypocrite.

Israel, the size of Vermont, intentionally perpetrated an act of war against the US?

What makes you think Israel initiated the plan?

georgephillip



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[georgephillip]

Israel, the size of Vermont, intentionally perpetrated an act of war against the US?

Indeed
You know , Israel's small size doesn't even matter . The US and Israel are allies and was allies at that time ... There is no reason whatsoever for Israel to attack that vessel intentionally.
And goerge's 'Not shady' sites does not offer an answer to the question 'Why would Israel do it.'

"I read these discussions debating whether Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty and what their motivation would have been for a deliberate attack. I can't debate their motivation...

"'The (Israeli) ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it,' Forslund recalled. 'The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

"'The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."

"'Forslund said he clearly recalled 'the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely.'"

"'He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots' responses that it didn't sink.'"

Statement of Stephen Forslund

 

[JStone]

Multiple US Government Bodies Determine Liberty Incident An Accident.

Report Date issued Conclusion
C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional
USS Liberty


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[georgephillip]

"Within 24 hours of the attack, the United States Navy convened a formal Court of Inquiry into that attack - a standard investigative procedure reserved for such serious events or circumstances.

"This procedure was unusual in only one respect - the President and members appointed to the Court of Inquiry by the Commander in Chief, U.S. Naval Forces, Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR), headquartered in London, were directed orally by the appointing authority to conduct and complete their investigative proceedings within one week - a most unusual requirement in light of the nature and magnitude of the events they were ordered to investigate."

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

The US Congress has never investigated the deliberate Israeli attack on Liberty.
Not a problem for brain-dead and banned for life shit like you...?

 

[JStone]

United States Senator Daniel Inouye, President Pro Tempore of the US Senate, Awarded Medal of Honor, Purple Heart, Distinguished Service Cross, Bronze Star

If one looks at most of this world, especially the Middle East, one country stands out as a foundation of stability and as a pillar of democracy. And at a time like this, when you have revolution in Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia and Jordan, thank God we have Israel.
Top senator: An attack on Israel is an a... JPost - International

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[georgephillip]

"13 year old Kamal Nawahda of Yamoun, near Jenin, was killed by a gunshot in the head on Thursday, by the Israeli Army.

"At the time of his murder, he was inside his classroom.

"Unfortunately, even school is not a safe place for children to be in the Occupied West Bank. The Israeli Army had chosen to invade Yamoun and the fact that they were next to a school did not hinder them from shooting randomly and intensely, thus killing one of the schoolchildren."

How many children did Inouye murder for his medal?

Human rights group higlights Israeli murder of Palestinian children

 

[JStone]

A 27-year-old mother of five was bludgeoned to death with an iron chain by her father last week in Gaza in what human rights groups report was an honor killing.

According to police in Gaza, the father, Jawdat al-Najar, heard his daughter Fadia, who had divorced in 2005, speaking on the phone with a man. He believed she was having a relationship with him. Police say al-Najar became enraged and beat her to death; her body was brought to a hospital where officials said she died of a skull fracture

The woman was beaten to death in the northern Gaza neighborhood of Jebalya on Thursday night. The father called police and confessed to the murder.

According to investigators for the Gaza-based Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, the father and his three sons were taken into police custody. They said the killing "was carried out on grounds related to 'preserving' the honor of the family."

The Palestinian Center for Human Rights, another Gaza-based organization, said hospital forensic reports show the woman's body showed signs of torture and that she suffered a skull fracture from being hit by an iron chain.

Rights groups decry Gaza 'honor killing' - CNN

Maria's Grotto, A Documentary About Honor Killings In Palestine A gripping portrait of women, whose lives were dictated by a moral code, Maria's Grotto explores honor killings in Palestine through the stories of four women: one is wrongly accused of dishonoring her family and then murdered; the second dies after being forced by her brothers to swallow poison; the third survives repeated stabbings inflicted by her brother; and the fourth is a Hip-hop singer who dares speak out about honor killings, and faces death threats.

LiveLeak.com - Maria's Grotto, A Documentary About Honor Killings In Palestine

 

[georgephillip]

"The Israeli Army was engaged in their reproachable yet common combat with children, whose only defense is throwing stones at armored vehicles. Often when tanks and other military vehicles strut into villages, children who have grown up under occupation and direct suffering from this Intifada, express their resentment and resistance through whipping rocks at the vehicles.

"They know it won't amount to much damage, but it is a release for their deep frustration. Rarely are soldiers, hidden deep in their vehicles, endangered by these children.

"While PHRMG does not condone rock-throwing, it is by all means not punishable by death. Yet this is how the Israeli Army answers a kid who throws rocks-by shooting live ammunition at them. Young Kamal happened to be victim of a stray bullet, even though he was tending his matters in school."

Human rights group higlights Israeli murder of Palestinian children

Random "honor killings" by Muslim fundamentalists don't equate to the heroic Jew's official state dogma of ethnic cleansing, i.e., killing children for land.

 

[JStone]

Mother Kills Raped Daughter To Restore 'Honor'

ABU QASH, West Bank — Raped by her brothers and impregnated, Rofayda Qaoud refused to commit suicide, her mother recalls, even after she bought the 17-year-old a razor with which to slit her wrists.

So Amira Abu Hanhan Qaoud says she did what she believes any good Palestinian parent would: restored her family's "honor" through murder.

Armed with a plastic bag, razor and wooden stick, Qaoud entered her sleeping daughter's room last Jan. 27. "Tonight you die, Rofayda," she told the girl, before wrapping the bag tightly around her head.

Next, Qaoud sliced Rofayda's wrists, ignoring her muffled pleas of "No, mother, no!" After her daughter went limp, Qaoud struck her in the head with the stick.

Killing her sixth-born child took 20 minutes, Qaoud tells a visitor through a stream of tears and cigarettes that she smokes in rapid succession. "She killed me before I killed her," says the 43-year-old mother of nine. "I had to protect my children. This is the only way I could protect my family's honor."

Qaoud's confessed crime, for which she must appear before a three-judge panel Dec. 3, is one repeated almost weekly among Palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Israel. Female virtue and virginity define a family's reputation in Arab cultures, so it's women who are punished if that reputation is perceived as sullied.

Victims' rights groups say the number of "honor crimes" appears to be climbing, but at the same time, getting little attention. Israelis and Palestinians are too busy with political and military issues to notice what they dismiss as domestic disputes, says Suad Abu-Dayyeh, who works for the Women's Center for Legal Aid and Counseling in East Jerusalem.

According to court records, Rofayda was raped by her brothers, Fahdi, 22, and Ali, 20, in a bedroom they shared in the family's three-room house. On Nov. 26, 2002, doctors at a nearby hospital who were treating Rofayda for an injured leg discovered she was eight months pregnant.

While honor killings committed in the heat of the moment — for example, by a husband who catches his wife in bed with another man — generally carry a six-month to one-year jail term, Qaoud will likely be sentenced to three to five years in prison.

The fact she is a mother who was trying to protect her family's honor mitigates the crime of premeditated murder, which is punishable by death under Palestinian law, he adds.

The Seattle Times: Nation & World: Mother kills raped daughter to restore 'honor'

Maria's Grotto, A Documentary About Honor Killings In Palestine A gripping portrait of women, whose lives were dictated by a moral code, Maria's Grotto explores honor killings in Palestine through the stories of four women: one is wrongly accused of dishonoring her family and then murdered; the second dies after being forced by her brothers to swallow poison; the third survives repeated stabbings inflicted by her brother; and the fourth is a Hip-hop singer who dares speak out about honor killings, and faces death threats.

LiveLeak.com - Maria's Grotto, A Documentary About Honor Killings In Palestine

 

[georgephillip]

"Victims' rights groups say the number of 'honor crimes' appears to be climbing, but at the same time, getting little attention. Israelis and Palestinians are too busy with political and military issues to notice what they dismiss as domestic disputes, says Suad Abu-Dayyeh, who works for the Women's Center for Legal Aid and Counseling in East Jerusalem.

"Poverty and war have exacerbated the problem, says Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian, a social work and criminology professor at Hebrew University in Jerusalem and an expert on violence against women. 'Men do not have any power except over women,' she says."

Once again the illegal Jewish occupation of Palestine makes life even worse for the most vulnerable.

The Seattle Times: Nation & World: Mother kills raped daughter to restore 'honor'

 

[SAYIT]

"Within 24 hours of the attack, the United States Navy convened a formal Court of Inquiry into that attack - a standard investigative procedure reserved for such serious events or circumstances.

"This procedure was unusual in only one respect - the President and members appointed to the Court of Inquiry by the Commander in Chief, U.S. Naval Forces, Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR), headquartered in London, were directed orally by the appointing authority to conduct and complete their investigative proceedings within one week - a most unusual requirement in light of the nature and magnitude of the events they were ordered to investigate."

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

The US Congress has never investigated the deliberate Israeli attack on Liberty.
Not a problem for brain-dead and banned for life shit like you...?

How many US gov't inquiries are required to satisfy you? Must we continue to investigate until one comes to your conclusions?
Source: Wikipedia:
U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967
Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967.
CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967
Clark Clifford Report of July 1967
Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony during hearings of the 1967 Foreign Aid Authorization bill, July 1967
House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971
The NSA History Report of 1981

 

[SAYIT]

"Victims' rights groups say the number of 'honor crimes' appears to be climbing, but at the same time, getting little attention. Israelis and Palestinians are too busy with political and military issues to notice what they dismiss as domestic disputes, says Suad Abu-Dayyeh, who works for the Women's Center for Legal Aid and Counseling in East Jerusalem.

"Poverty and war have exacerbated the problem, says Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian, a social work and criminology professor at Hebrew University in Jerusalem and an expert on violence against women. 'Men do not have any power except over women,' she says."

Once again the illegal Jewish occupation of Palestine makes life even worse for the most vulnerable.

The Seattle Times: Nation & World: Mother kills raped daughter to restore 'honor'

Yeah, everyone knows how well women are treated in the rest of the Arab/Muslim World.

 

[georgephillip]

"Within 24 hours of the attack, the United States Navy convened a formal Court of Inquiry into that attack - a standard investigative procedure reserved for such serious events or circumstances.

"This procedure was unusual in only one respect - the President and members appointed to the Court of Inquiry by the Commander in Chief, U.S. Naval Forces, Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR), headquartered in London, were directed orally by the appointing authority to conduct and complete their investigative proceedings within one week - a most unusual requirement in light of the nature and magnitude of the events they were ordered to investigate."

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

The US Congress has never investigated the deliberate Israeli attack on Liberty.
Not a problem for brain-dead and banned for life shit like you...?

How many US gov't inquiries are required to satisfy you? Must we continue to investigate until one comes to your conclusions?
Source: Wikipedia:
U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry of June 1967
Joint Chief of Staff's Report of June 1967.
CIA Intelligence Memorandums of June 1967
Clark Clifford Report of July 1967
Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony during hearings of the 1967 Foreign Aid Authorization bill, July 1967
House Armed Services Committee Investigation of 1971
The NSA History Report of 1981

None of those reports dealt with culpability and the attack on Liberty remains the only incident of its kind that has never been investigated by the entire US Congress.

"The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry record contains testimony by fourteen Liberty crew members and five subject matter experts; exhibits of attack damage photographs, various messages and memorandums; and findings of fact.

"The testimony record reveals 'a shallow investigation, plagued by myriad disagreements between the captain and his crew.'[46] As to culpability, 'It was not the responsibility of the court to rule on the culpability of the attackers, and no evidence was heard from the attacking nation', the court concluded that 'available evidence combines to indicate ... (that the attack was) a case of mistaken identity.' Additionally, the Court found that 'heroism displayed by the Commanding Officer, officers and men of the Liberty was exceptional."

"The Joint Chief of Staff's Report contains findings of fact related only to communication system failures associated with the Liberty attack. It was not concerned with matters of culpability, nor does it contain statements thereof..."

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

"Victims' rights groups say the number of 'honor crimes' appears to be climbing, but at the same time, getting little attention. Israelis and Palestinians are too busy with political and military issues to notice what they dismiss as domestic disputes, says Suad Abu-Dayyeh, who works for the Women's Center for Legal Aid and Counseling in East Jerusalem.

"Poverty and war have exacerbated the problem, says Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian, a social work and criminology professor at Hebrew University in Jerusalem and an expert on violence against women. 'Men do not have any power except over women,' she says."

Once again the illegal Jewish occupation of Palestine makes life even worse for the most vulnerable.

The Seattle Times: Nation & World: Mother kills raped daughter to restore 'honor'

Yeah, everyone knows how well women are treated in the rest of the Arab/Muslim World.

How many US children have the Arabs murdered lately?

"These results provide strong evidence that the Gulf war and trade sanctions caused a threefold increase in mortality among Iraqi children under five years of age. We estimate that an excess of more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991. (N Engl J Med 1992;327:931–6.)"

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