CDZ Do you consider a country free when 62% of its people are afraid to express an opinion? Simple Yes or NO please.

[Cecilie1200]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

using that logic, nazi germany was free. hell, using that logic, the inmates of the death camps were "free".

right up until they were dead.

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

nope. your stated rule was "free equals being able to say what they want".

the inmates of the death camps could say what they wanted. there might have been serious consequences, but by your stated standard, they would have counted as "free".

it is a pretty fine examination of your standard.


i think it shows that what is shitty, is your standard.

He's apparently defining freedom by the adage, "Freedom means having nothing left to lose." As I've said before, I could have sworn the American Experiment was aiming for a little more freedom than that.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

Folks are getting murdered and beaten for wearing a red baseball cap. Put a Trump bumper sticker on your car at your own peril.

Right, no one is getting arrested...for assault, looting, arson or any of dozens of other felonies.

How many people have been murdered for wearing a red baseball hat?

I drive a red truck, should I be worried?

Does this guy count, or nah because he was supporting Trump without the hat?

Murder of black Trump supporter Bernell Trammell spurs call for federal investigation

The shooting death of a black Trump supporter in Milwaukee has state Republicans calling for a federal investigation. Bernell Trammell, 60, a dreadlocked activist known for carrying handmade signs …

nypost.com

Do these people count, or nah because they didn't actually die?

Black Guys Assault White Man While Shouting Anti-Trump Slogans [VIDEO]

A group of Hillary Clinton supporters attacked a Chicago man who apparently voted for President-elect Donald Trump, according to an online video.

dailycaller.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/student-wearing-trump-hat-arguing-with-protesters-is-punched-kicked-to-ground/2016/11/16/cb9d909e-ac14-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html

Black Lives Matter ‘Anti-Bullying’ Activist Arrested For Assaulting 74-Year-Old Man At Trump Protest

During a protest at Trump Tower Thursday night, an elderly man was assaulted by a 23-year-old woman, leading to her arrest.

dailycaller.com

11-Year-Old Boy Badly Beat Up For Voting Trump in Mock Election

An elementary school student in Virginia was badly beaten by his classmates on Wednesday morning in the wake of Donald Trump winning the Presidency.

dailycaller.com

2 Men Attack Trump Supporter in Meriden: Police

Two men were arrested after they allegedly attacked a man who was waving an American flag and holding a Trump election sign, police said.

www.nbcconnecticut.com

 

[Cecilie1200]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

using that logic, nazi germany was free. hell, using that logic, the inmates of the death camps were "free".

right up until they were dead.

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

nope. your stated rule was "free equals being able to say what they want".

the inmates of the death camps could say what they wanted. there might have been serious consequences, but by your stated standard, they would have counted as "free".

it is a pretty fine examination of your standard.


i think it shows that what is shitty, is your standard.

No because that was the government that was prohibiting speech and putting people in camps.

The US government is doing no such thing.

No private citizen or business can violate your right to free speech

You don't think the government refusing to protect you from those private citizens unlawfully persecuting you is essentially the same as the government persecuting you themselves? Am I more free if BLM rioters beat me to death while the cops stand down than I am if the cops arrest me? At least if the cops arrest me, I'm still alive.

 

[anynameyouwish]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

I certainly hope you are NOT suggesting that the MILLIONS of OUTSPOKEN conservatives who spend ALL DAY giving their hateful and rotten opinions are "afraid to give their opinion"


you want to know who is afraid to give his opinion?

me.

I am afraid to say "AFFORDABLE education is important"

because conservatives will call me a fascist commy socialist

I am afraid to say " laws should be secular and be based on reason and logic"

because deranged conservative christians will say "you are a god hating commie!"

I am afraid to say "the constitution applies to ALL citizens, including gays and muslims and atheists"

because ignorant rotten human garbage conservatives will say
"the only good democrat is a dead democrat"


I am so fkn sick of LOUDMOUTH nazi conservatives spending ALL DAY giving their rotten opinions and then complaining "i'm afraid to give my opinion because of political correctness"

 

[Cecilie1200]

I believe people will not talk politics and their views because of a fear of backlash. I won't talk politics at work, not the time or place to speak ones mind.

There's a huge difference between not talking politics at work or at family gatherings because you choose to behave courteously/professionally, and not talking about current events anywhere at any time because you fear having your life destroyed.

 

[Cecilie1200]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

I certainly hope you are NOT suggesting that the MILLIONS of OUTSPOKEN conservatives who spend ALL DAY giving their hateful and rotten opinions are "afraid to give their opinion"


you want to know who is afraid to give his opinion?

me.

I am afraid to say "AFFORDABLE education is important"

because conservatives will call me a fascist commy socialist

I am afraid to say " laws should be secular and be based on reason and logic"

because deranged conservative christians will say "you are a god hating commie!"

I am afraid to say "the constitution applies to ALL citizens, including gays and muslims and atheists"

because ignorant rotten human garbage conservatives will say
"the only good democrat is a dead democrat"


I am so fkn sick of LOUDMOUTH nazi conservatives spending ALL DAY giving their rotten opinions and then complaining "i'm afraid to give my opinion because of political correctness"

Where do you see "millions of conservatives giving their opinions every day"?

And what evidence do we have that you're "afraid" to spew your garbage, or that you have any reason to be?

 

[Cecilie1200]

"Offense isn't given; it is only taken"

If you're "offended", get over it. You're not required to ruin someone because of your hypersensitivity.

Gandhi said, "No one can hurt me without my permission." Just because someone is trying to offend you doesn't mean you have to let them.

 

[francoHFW]

No. Many Americans have been effectively muzzled by the Democrats' cultural and political "woke" nonsense.

Anyone with even a cursory familiarity with Orwell's fictional Newspeak can see the similarities to what the Democrats are attempting to do here.

The slow destruction of ideas by the destruction (or redefinition) of the words used to express them.

actually the problem is about 30% of the country listens only to right-wing propaganda and has a whole different set of facts from respected media and law enforcement everywhere around the world.. It is also a hateful propaganda. The reason the only spike in violence statistic has been right-wingers against black Jews Muslims gays and now Asians.

Hey, I just saw the Easter Bunny.

Classic dupe reply ... Absolutely irrelevant and ignorant.....

 

[Cecilie1200]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

using that logic, nazi germany was free. hell, using that logic, the inmates of the death camps were "free".

right up until they were dead.

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

The entire NATION is on edge because of the VIOLENT DEMOCRAT PARTY and their PROPAGANDA WING.

I know it, you it, we all fucking know it.

I'm not on edge.

I say what I want when I want.

Just because other people can tell you what you said was stupid does not mean this is not a relatively free country

YOU are NOT "the rest of the nation."

You said "The ENTIRE nation is on edge"

That means EVERYONE in the nation.

Words mean things. It's ironic that in a thread about free speech you don't seem to realize that words mean things.

This is also the "CLEAN DEBATE ZONE," yet you feel the need to puke up an insult.

Talk about irony.

"The entire nation" is a generalization, and it's spot on.

If you think that was an insult then you are too sensitive.

And ALL generalizations are bad ( even that one)

Yeah, it was an insult. You basically implied I'm stupid, and that's an insult.

Generalizations are used every day, all day, by the vast majority of people on earth, and people understand what the person using the generalization means.

You are deflecting, attacking what I said, instead of disputing what I meant, which is the vast majority of people in this nation are not speaking their mind because of fear of the violent democrats and their rioting mobs of lawless ANTIFA, BLM and the like, showing up their house at 3:00AM with a bull horn, and the police do virtually nothing or don't show up at all, and if you walk outside with a firearm to protect your property and life, you get charge with a crime. The law is upside down right now, and people see it, and it's causing a lot of anxiety, so people just keep their mouths shut attempting to mitigate it, and that is NOT FREEDOM.

It was upside down before. We are now trying to level it up. There will be things that get broke by doing that.

your actions are not the actions of fixing shit, but of destroying the nation and oppressing and terrorizing good people.

I don't recall doing that but if you say so........

funny, you say "we" in your post, but when i call you on the behavior of your group, suddenly you "forget" that you were happy to be speaking for the left as a group, just a few minutes earlier.

yes, you have done that. you were bragging about it, in your previous post. too late to walk it back now.

If you see fixing a broken system as terror, so be it. Not my problem.

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this is not fixing anything. and if you support terror on me, and mine, when it blows back on you, and it will, it will be your problem then.

Quit fighting a fair system. You can't win.

i can. and i'm certainly going to try. also, you claim of it being fair, is just the type of thing, to really encourage viciousness, if/when we do get the upper hand.


just saying.


you sure you want to go all in like that?

I want fair. I'm not interested in your opinion of that.

Life isn't fair. never has been. never will be.

Which doesn't mean you have to accept it as it is, without trying to make it better.

 

[Cecilie1200]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

using that logic, nazi germany was free. hell, using that logic, the inmates of the death camps were "free".

right up until they were dead.

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

The entire NATION is on edge because of the VIOLENT DEMOCRAT PARTY and their PROPAGANDA WING.

I know it, you it, we all fucking know it.

I'm not on edge.

I say what I want when I want.

Just because other people can tell you what you said was stupid does not mean this is not a relatively free country

YOU are NOT "the rest of the nation."

You said "The ENTIRE nation is on edge"

That means EVERYONE in the nation.

Words mean things. It's ironic that in a thread about free speech you don't seem to realize that words mean things.

This is also the "CLEAN DEBATE ZONE," yet you feel the need to puke up an insult.

Talk about irony.

"The entire nation" is a generalization, and it's spot on.

If you think that was an insult then you are too sensitive.

And ALL generalizations are bad ( even that one)

Yeah, it was an insult. You basically implied I'm stupid, and that's an insult.

Generalizations are used every day, all day, by the vast majority of people on earth, and people understand what the person using the generalization means.

You are deflecting, attacking what I said, instead of disputing what I meant, which is the vast majority of people in this nation are not speaking their mind because of fear of the violent democrats and their rioting mobs of lawless ANTIFA, BLM and the like, showing up their house at 3:00AM with a bull horn, and the police do virtually nothing or don't show up at all, and if you walk outside with a firearm to protect your property and life, you get charge with a crime. The law is upside down right now, and people see it, and it's causing a lot of anxiety, so people just keep their mouths shut attempting to mitigate it, and that is NOT FREEDOM.

It was upside down before. We are now trying to level it up. There will be things that get broke by doing that.

your actions are not the actions of fixing shit, but of destroying the nation and oppressing and terrorizing good people.

I don't recall doing that but if you say so........

funny, you say "we" in your post, but when i call you on the behavior of your group, suddenly you "forget" that you were happy to be speaking for the left as a group, just a few minutes earlier.

yes, you have done that. you were bragging about it, in your previous post. too late to walk it back now.

If you see fixing a broken system as terror, so be it. Not my problem.

View attachment 376194


this is not fixing anything. and if you support terror on me, and mine, when it blows back on you, and it will, it will be your problem then.

Quit fighting a fair system. You can't win.

i can. and i'm certainly going to try. also, you claim of it being fair, is just the type of thing, to really encourage viciousness, if/when we do get the upper hand.


just saying.


you sure you want to go all in like that?

I want fair. I'm not interested in your opinion of that.

Life isn't nor will it ever be fair.

Justice is going to be.

No it won’t, never has been, never will be.

I'm sure that's what the South thought when told that slavery would end also.

I’m not talking about slavery. I’m talking about fair justice, and that will never be fair, it never hasn’t in the past and will not be in the future. I will never have the same access to justice as a Bill Gates or any rich person, just the way life is. I don’t expect life to be fair, it isn’t.

In what way that we have to just throw up our hands and accept do you not have "the same access to justice as Bill Gates"?

 

[Cecilie1200]

The problem is both sides, particularly the left, sorry, demonize the opinion of people that share different viewpoints. They make it personal

Yep, the Left has made an art form of it, but you see it from both ends.

We would much rather attack, punish and intimidate others for their views than actually discuss them like decent adults, because it's just much easier.

It's no coincidence that we're in decay. This is a big part of the reason. You can't fix problems if you can't honestly communicate about them.

There's a big difference between viewing someone as evil pond scum, or even SAYING that he's evil pond scum, and setting out to destroy his life because you think he's evil pond scum.

 

[flacaltenn]

A

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

using that logic, nazi germany was free. hell, using that logic, the inmates of the death camps were "free".

right up until they were dead.

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

The entire NATION is on edge because of the VIOLENT DEMOCRAT PARTY and their PROPAGANDA WING.

I know it, you it, we all fucking know it.

I'm not on edge.

I say what I want when I want.

Just because other people can tell you what you said was stupid does not mean this is not a relatively free country

Not at a large number of companies right now are you free to speak.. Not that politics is a good work topic, but you can protest if your company is doing work for DOD --- but NOT if they're doing even more evil stuff with China.... Not really "free" to get hired at FB/Google/NBC news/NYTimes either... They won't bring it up in interviews -- because they'll check your social media FIRST !!!

People of faith have a hard time organizing and fighting back against all the abuse that THEY receive.. Because they don't want the soldiers of correctness doxxing or "cancelling" their congregations or churches...

So I'm calling you and JoeB131 on those braveheart rants about "saying what you want --- when you want" claim...

Cato is correct. The dicing and mincing of America is ALMOST complete..

If you are working for a company that you think is is "doing evil stuff" then your ethics are the problem .

That's hysterical... I was talking about Google actually... And you come up with "evil"... Do ya know what their company motto was for the first 10 years or so??

Spoiler: Ironic Google company motto dropped recently

DONT BE EVIL

Problem is -- the folks working there ARE CHOOSING Evil over their own country... It's the one's that DONT want to be evil that never will get hired or promoted....

Think Universities dont make tenure hiring political? Think the media even ALLOWS internal debate from even MODERATE lefties? The division has CONSUMED "freedom of speech" in private business and to a large extent in life...

 

[flacaltenn]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

And get the crap beat out of them if they say an UNAPPROVED thing. Get real.

Yeah OK

Did you see how many kids died this weekend???? You need to get the super glue off your eyelashes.

So all that was the result of political speech?

Are you saying that there are roaming bands of though and speech police killing people in the streets now?

Wear a MAGA hat to a Black Lives Matter protest. I dare you.

Does that answer your question?

Maga hat hell.. I can't even put a Libertarian bumper sticker on my brand new car for fear it will be KEYED by BOTH sides... LOL...

 

[Blues Man]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

When choosing to say something generic and benign can lead to losing your job and having your family get death threats, that doesn't sound like much of a choice or especially free.

Everything you do has consequences.

You are free to say what you want and no one can prevent you from saying it.

 

[Blues Man]

Of course not. Between the hyper-partisan political environment we're in, PC, Identity Politics and Cancel Culture, I can't blame anyone for keeping their mouths shut. Freedom of expression is the most liberal of all American values, and we're going in exactly the opposite direction.

Not on the internet ...people say what they think, and some....

As long as they're anonymous, sure. But if your name is on the screen and you say the wrong thing, you could be the next target.

Agree.

But I was brought up by my parents, not to discuss politics or religious differences at the dinner table with guests, and at work with coworkers, etc.... So I had a real PC upbringing.... And life was actually good and peaceful, and dems and repubs and protestants and Catholics and Jews and Buddhist all got along...

The internet, has changed all of that.... And not for the good...imho.

I do not think avoiding topics while at work as PC.

And the whole "Don't talk politics or religion" at the table thing has been practiced long before PC was even a thing

The problem is, these days you can lose your job for what you say when you're not at work.

No you can lose your job for the what you post on line. you can say whatever you want and not get fired if you're smart enough to not post it on line

If you're not smart enough to use an alias on line that's on you.

 

[Blues Man]

A

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

using that logic, nazi germany was free. hell, using that logic, the inmates of the death camps were "free".

right up until they were dead.

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

The entire NATION is on edge because of the VIOLENT DEMOCRAT PARTY and their PROPAGANDA WING.

I know it, you it, we all fucking know it.

I'm not on edge.

I say what I want when I want.

Just because other people can tell you what you said was stupid does not mean this is not a relatively free country

Not at a large number of companies right now are you free to speak.. Not that politics is a good work topic, but you can protest if your company is doing work for DOD --- but NOT if they're doing even more evil stuff with China.... Not really "free" to get hired at FB/Google/NBC news/NYTimes either... They won't bring it up in interviews -- because they'll check your social media FIRST !!!

People of faith have a hard time organizing and fighting back against all the abuse that THEY receive.. Because they don't want the soldiers of correctness doxxing or "cancelling" their congregations or churches...

So I'm calling you and JoeB131 on those braveheart rants about "saying what you want --- when you want" claim...

Cato is correct. The dicing and mincing of America is ALMOST complete..

If you are working for a company that you think is is "doing evil stuff" then your ethics are the problem .

That's hysterical... I was talking about Google actually... And you come up with "evil"... Do ya know what their company motto was for the first 10 years or so??

Spoiler: Ironic Google company motto dropped recently

DONT BE EVIL

Problem is -- the folks working there ARE CHOOSING Evil over their own country... It's the one's that DONT want to be evil that never will get hired or promoted....

Think Universities dont make tenure hiring political? Think the media even ALLOWS internal debate from even MODERATE lefties? The division has CONSUMED "freedom of speech" in private business and to a large extent in life...

No it hasn't.

No private individual or business can violate your first amendment rights.

The First Amendment is a control on the government not the public.

You can say whatever you want. Just because there may be ramifications for what you say in no way means you are not free to say it.

And when has tenure not been political?



.

 

[Blues Man]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

using that logic, nazi germany was free. hell, using that logic, the inmates of the death camps were "free".

right up until they were dead.

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

So the great freedom of America is only to not be overtly dragged off to camps, is it? Hey, your life is destroyed, but at least you're not in a gulag. That's the ideals our Founders fought a revolution for? Might as well not have bothered, then.

I was responding to a ridiculous comparison to Nazi Germany.

And the first amendment protects you from the government so you really can't be thrown in prison for saying anything barring threats or inciting riots

 

[Blues Man]

No one is getting gassed in this country for saying what they want.

No one is getting arrested

Talk about a shitty comparison

Folks are getting murdered and beaten for wearing a red baseball cap. Put a Trump bumper sticker on your car at your own peril.

Right, no one is getting arrested...for assault, looting, arson or any of dozens of other felonies.

Is it freedom that I won't get arrested for saying what I think, if the people who beat me to death for saying it don't get arrested either?

Quite an assumption.

 

[Blues Man]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Poll: 62% Say the Political Climate Prevents Them from Sharing Political Views

A new Cato Institute/YouGov survey finds that self‐censorship is on the rise. 62% say the political climate prevents them from saying things they believe because others might find them offensive.

www.cato.org

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

And get the crap beat out of them if they say an UNAPPROVED thing. Get real.

Yeah OK

Did you see how many kids died this weekend???? You need to get the super glue off your eyelashes.

So all that was the result of political speech?

Are you saying that there are roaming bands of though and speech police killing people in the streets now?

Wear a MAGA hat to a Black Lives Matter protest. I dare you.

Does that answer your question?

I don't wear political slogans on my clothes. Never did Never will.

Why would you go to a BLM protest if you don't believe in their cause anyway?

If you want to try to get a rise out of people by doing that then you get to deal with the consequences.

There is no law stopping you so you are free to do it.

Once again the constitution only protects you from the government not from other people

 

[Blues Man]

Being free to publicly say you hate this group of people or that group of people without any sort of push back is not the sign of a free country.

Free speech means people have the right to tell you what you said was stupid

Which is fine. Free speech does NOT mean people have the right to take your livelihood, drag you through the courts, harass you and your family, and make you fear for your lives because they think you're stupid.

If you think all anyone is talking about in this thread is something saying, "No, you're wrong and your opinion is stupid", then you haven't been paying attention for several years now. People aren't afraid to speak their minds because someone might disagree with them; they're afraid to speak their minds because it can destroy your life.

Your employer can fire you for just about any reason they want.

If you post some racist crap on line under your own name then your employer may very well lose business and yes he can fire you for that.

And you can call the cops if someone is harassing you. You may even be able to get a restraining order.

There have always been societal limits on speech.

Take the N word for example. It used to be you could call every person with a tan a N@#$er. Now it's societally unacceptable in most public places.

So you can still say what you want but why kick a hornet's nest if you don't have to? It's called common sense and it's too bad we can't pass a law making it mandatory