Do You Believe??

[Never3ndr]

Do you believe that all men are created equal? I'd like your POV. I have asked this on other sites several times, and actually was surprised at the different answers. Curious to see now what is said.

Men = person...so you know.

I'm a liberal and I staunch disagree with the idea that all men are created equal. However, I strongly support that they should be given equal opportunity...which is a separate issue.

Just as a quick example to support my position, saying all men are created equal would be like saying that everybody is capable of achieving basketball greatness like Michael Jordan, capable of the singing talents of Michael Jackson, able to have the intellectual innovation and genius to match Sir Issac Newton, or be capable of the acts of pure good shown by Mother Teresa. This just simply is not true. We are made differently and unequal. However, it is the beauty of our inequality that makes unity special and makes those that are able to achieve greatness worthy of being the role models we pursue.

That's not what created equal means, bub.

It means that all humans are created equal with inalienable rights coming from The Creator (God, nature, whatever your ideology specifies). Nobody has the right to infringe upon another's inalienable rights (which at bottom are essentially the right to be left alone).

I did go out of my way to say that we all should have equal opportunity, which seems to be the core of what you are getting at.

However, it may just be a difference of definition, but I do not believe that men being equal and men having equal rights are the same thing...which is why I don't believe men being equal while I firmly support men having equal rights.

 

[yiostheoy]

In the eyes of God yes in the eyes other men not all the time.

For the longest time God seems to have loved the Hebrews (and Jews) more than other peoples. Then for the longest time he seems to have hated them. Now he seems to have tough love for them again.

Ergo this statement about God is hard to justify.

It does seem that even God plays favorites, and this is patently obvious when you looks at different people's skills and opportunities.

DJ Trump's opportunities vastly exceed all of the rest of us. He was thus able to buy the Presidency. Like Napoleon said, he found it lying in the gutter and he picked it up -- in DJT's case -- with his checkbook.

 

[rightwinger]

Some men are more endowed than others

Hardy equal

 

[SYTFE]

Hilarious that the notion that all men are created equal is an old Christian teaching intuitively understood by liberals, but almost universally refused by conservatives. And you guys wonder why you're hated the world over...

You say this as if Christianity is a given. I'm not one and haven't been in years. Religion is not the basis of my politics.

I hate everyone else, so why wouldn't I expect them all to hate me too?

Christianity is not a "given," it's all plagiarized from Egyptian mythology anyway. But that's one lesson that is 100% true. Even you, a misanthrope, have equal value as a human as anyone else.

 

[SYTFE]

Of course. Only a conservative would -- and do -- think otherwise

Yet more Progressive Up Is Down Newspeak from SHYTFobrains.

The Leftwing religion of Progressivism is what promoted Identity Politics and the Biggest Victim Sweepstakes...leading to Some Pigs are More Equal than Others.

What in Allah's name are you babbling about???

 

[boedicca]

Do you believe that all men are created equal? I'd like your POV. I have asked this on other sites several times, and actually was surprised at the different answers. Curious to see now what is said.

Men = person...so you know.

I'm a liberal and I staunch disagree with the idea that all men are created equal. However, I strongly support that they should be given equal opportunity...which is a separate issue.

Just as a quick example to support my position, saying all men are created equal would be like saying that everybody is capable of achieving basketball greatness like Michael Jordan, capable of the singing talents of Michael Jackson, able to have the intellectual innovation and genius to match Sir Issac Newton, or be capable of the acts of pure good shown by Mother Teresa. This just simply is not true. We are made differently and unequal. However, it is the beauty of our inequality that makes unity special and makes those that are able to achieve greatness worthy of being the role models we pursue.

That's not what created equal means, bub.

It means that all humans are created equal with inalienable rights coming from The Creator (God, nature, whatever your ideology specifies). Nobody has the right to infringe upon another's inalienable rights (which at bottom are essentially the right to be left alone).

I did go out of my way to say that we all should have equal opportunity, which seems to be the core of what you are getting at.

However, it may just be a difference of definition, but I do not believe that men being equal and men having equal rights are the same thing...which is why I don't believe men being equal while I firmly support men having equal rights.

Inalienable rights are not the same as equal opportunity. The latter is an assertion of affirmative rights, which is used to abridge the inalienable rights of others.

 

[boedicca]

Of course. Only a conservative would -- and do -- think otherwise

Yet more Progressive Up Is Down Newspeak from SHYTFobrains.

The Leftwing religion of Progressivism is what promoted Identity Politics and the Biggest Victim Sweepstakes...leading to Some Pigs are More Equal than Others.

What in Allah's name are you babbling about???

Reality, a concept with which you are thoroughly unacquainted.

 

[SYTFE]

Of course. Only a conservative would -- and do -- think otherwise

Yet more Progressive Up Is Down Newspeak from SHYTFobrains.

The Leftwing religion of Progressivism is what promoted Identity Politics and the Biggest Victim Sweepstakes...leading to Some Pigs are More Equal than Others.

What in Allah's name are you babbling about???

Reality, a concept with which you are thoroughly unacquainted.

You might want to actually read through a thread first before running your mouth, eager beaver.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Interesting, though hardly unsurprising responses in this thread. I wrote:

Of course. Only a conservative would -- and do -- think otherwise

And then the following conservatards proved me right.

Some are of inferior intelligence, they're called Democrats.

No such thing as equality in nature.

And no not all people are created equal.

You can not even treat everyone the same as people are different by nature, except far left drones. They all stop maturing at the age of two..

No. However I believe all men deserve equal protection under the law. Precisely because not all men are created equal.

The question is flawed in my opinion. Hell no men are not created equal. Part of the phrase is missing, all men are created equal in the eyes of the law. We should not be treated differently by government, which is what the phrase means.

The potential to be the best you can be should be there for all of us, that's the role of government. A government that tries to administer equal outcomes regardless of your input is a government for the lowest common denominator.

A government that takes from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.

No. All men are NOT created equal. The very concept is ludicrous on its face. Some are born average. Others are born far above average. Some are born with a deficit to overcome. That's just basic human biology and psychology. Then you add in the benefit or deficit of the family the child may be born into.

All men are created equal, but do not necessarily remain so due to variances in intellect and abilities.

However, all should be held equal before the law, regardless of those variances.

All are equal before the law. No place else.

Depends upon what you mean by "equal".

Some men are better at athletics, while others excel at more intellectual pursuits. Then, some others seem born into mediocrity. Definite lack of equality there, in which case the answer is no.

But are men born to higher stations in life because they're members of the lucky sperm club? Is the law meant to apply all men only applicable to the peasants? This is an area where all men SHOULD BE equal, but history has shown that they aren't.

So, should they be? Yes.

Are they, as a practical matter? No.

Thanks for proving me right, conservatards. You consistently succeed in living up to your expectations. LOL

Hilarious that the notion that all men are created equal is an old Christian teaching intuitively understood by liberals, but almost universally refused by conservatives. And you guys wonder why you're hated the world over...

Yes, I know some conservatives "get" this concept. If grampa who is a reformed ex-con gets it, why can't the rest of you? Conservatism is a mental illness, I guess.

All idiots are not equal. You are the top of your class of idiot.

 

[there4eyeM]

As in many instances, the expression was used at the time to express a spirit, an idea, in a fashion that was understood then. It was obviously not truly followed, because a slave is obviously not held to be equal in any society. Of course, many back then did not consider blacks human. And, indeed, it is important that the term is 'men' and not 'people' or 'humans'.
Thus, the question, if it is being transfered to today, has also to take into consideration the term 'created'.
The most the statement can be taken for is that all humans would be equally subject to social justice.
Colt did not make equals, just increased the casualties.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The fact is people are not, never have been and never will be equal.

 

[Norman]

Do you believe that all men are created equal? I'd like your POV. I have asked this on other sites several times, and actually was surprised at the different answers. Curious to see now what is said.

Men = person...so you know.

What does the question mean? Clearly some people are born much better off than others, higher IQ more handsome and so on. Others are born a retard.

So men are not created equal. If you mean that should people be treated equally under the law, that's a different question.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Do you believe that all men are created equal? I'd like your POV. I have asked this on other sites several times, and actually was surprised at the different answers. Curious to see now what is said.

Men = person...so you know.

excluding those people born with defects, yes.
All people are born, or start life physically and mentally equal. What happens after that is where the inequality happens.
There are various reasons that one is going to end up better off than others, besides the personal causes, we have economical, social and opportunity issues that come up.
But as far as equal on at the first breath? yes, all have the same potential at that point.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Do you believe that all men are created equal? I'd like your POV. I have asked this on other sites several times, and actually was surprised at the different answers. Curious to see now what is said.

Men = person...so you know.

Do you believe that all men are created equal? I'd like your POV. I have asked this on other sites several times, and actually was surprised at the different answers. Curious to see now what is said.

Men = person...so you know.

Race Traitors

Decadent academics decree that we think so, despite all evidence from the real world those vindictive misfits ran away from. Man comprises different species descended from different primate species.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Of course. Only a conservative would -- and do -- think otherwise

And you fascist democrats all chant:

4 legs good; two legs better.......


And to the OP, yes, all men are created equal.....

You believe that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights?

 

[NYcarbineer]

In that they have certain inalienable rights, yes.

Only some radicals seem to think we don't have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

So the US government should extend the same rights to all men, regardless of their nationality?

 

[sartre play]

The question is flawed in my opinion. Hell no men are not created equal. Part of the phrase is missing, all men are created equal in the eyes of the law. We should not be treated differently by government, which is what the phrase means.
like your 1st paragraph. after that we part company
The potential to be the best you can be should be there for all of us, that's the role of government. A government that tries to administer equal outcomes regardless of your input is a government for the lowest common denominator.

A government that takes from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.

 

[Markle]

Interesting, though hardly unsurprising responses in this thread. I wrote:

Of course. Only a conservative would -- and do -- think otherwise

And then the following conservatards proved me right.

Some are of inferior intelligence, they're called Democrats.

No such thing as equality in nature.

And no not all people are created equal.

You can not even treat everyone the same as people are different by nature, except far left drones. They all stop maturing at the age of two..

No. However I believe all men deserve equal protection under the law. Precisely because not all men are created equal.

The question is flawed in my opinion. Hell no men are not created equal. Part of the phrase is missing, all men are created equal in the eyes of the law. We should not be treated differently by government, which is what the phrase means.

The potential to be the best you can be should be there for all of us, that's the role of government. A government that tries to administer equal outcomes regardless of your input is a government for the lowest common denominator.

A government that takes from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.

No. All men are NOT created equal. The very concept is ludicrous on its face. Some are born average. Others are born far above average. Some are born with a deficit to overcome. That's just basic human biology and psychology. Then you add in the benefit or deficit of the family the child may be born into.

All men are created equal, but do not necessarily remain so due to variances in intellect and abilities.

However, all should be held equal before the law, regardless of those variances.

All are equal before the law. No place else.

Depends upon what you mean by "equal".

Some men are better at athletics, while others excel at more intellectual pursuits. Then, some others seem born into mediocrity. Definite lack of equality there, in which case the answer is no.

But are men born to higher stations in life because they're members of the lucky sperm club? Is the law meant to apply all men only applicable to the peasants? This is an area where all men SHOULD BE equal, but history has shown that they aren't.

So, should they be? Yes.

Are they, as a practical matter? No.

Thanks for proving me right, conservatards. You consistently succeed in living up to your expectations. LOL

Hilarious that the notion that all men are created equal is an old Christian teaching intuitively understood by liberals, but almost universally refused by conservatives. And you guys wonder why you're hated the world over...

Yes, I know some conservatives "get" this concept. If grampa who is a reformed ex-con gets it, why can't the rest of you? Conservatism is a mental illness, I guess.

Are you seriously trying to claim all people have the same intellectual, athletic, and artistic abilities?

Of course not, are you some kind of fool?

The phrase is "all men are created equal". A man/person is created when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Therefore, all men are, in fact, created equal.

 

[Markle]

We are all created equal. What happens after that depends on us and our environment and things we are taught and things we learn.

I almost agree with this, but it is not true either.

You cannot compare the extremely bright with the extremely stupid. And they were created that way at birth.

Same is true of the extremely brave and the extremely cowardly.

They were created before birth.

 

[S.J.]

A man/person is created when the sperm fertilizes the egg.

So, life begins at conception?