Do You Believe Based on Evidence, Russia Changed Outcome of 2016 Election

[BluesLegend]

LOL 2 posters are morons.

 

[playtime]

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

Of course we have a say. Especially if we spent over a year criticizing both candidates. Both sides had been presented with plenty of information about the candidates for years, and still the two worst possible candidates won the primaries. Why then should non-voters be dragged into the shit show they had no part in creating?

a fucking WRITE - IN is better than not voting at all. if you let others decide your fate without an input, then ya--- stfu.

Bullshit. I've been in this game long enough to know what disingenuous hacks the "you have no say" crowd are. You vote third party or write-in, and they tell you that you wasted your vote. You vote for the guy they don't like, and they shit all over you for that. It's never about the actual principle of voting. They wanted you to vote for whoever they wanted you to vote for.

oh i voted for nader in 2000 against my own state senator so i know the perils of voting 3rd party. never will again. never actually gave a write in & probably never will. but to waste the opportunity to vote = giving up your right to complain. doing nothing is way worse than any of the other options.

How is it the non-voters doing nothing? So some dude got his lawn mowed early instead of leaving the house, standing in a long line, knowing full well that he would have zero impact on a single human life that day. At least he feels warm and fuzzy inside. Time well spent.

not voting was doing nothing. if complicity gives you the warm & fuzzies- that's fine. but as far as complaining about anything outside your house that impacts society...

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[Toddsterpatriot]

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

and they MAY be the reason Hillary lost in those states

hillary lost the electoral college. by some 75K votes.

and?

75K is a low amt to lose by & easily manipulated to get 'er done.

Hillary spent over $1.2 billion, double what Trump spent.
Did all her spending really get undone by Russian memes on Facebook?
Or was she just the most unpleasant (most qualified my ass), most tone-deaf candidate to ever run?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

My answer is no

-Geaux

I believe the 2016 election to be the most corrupt in my lifetime. I believe the republicans were more successful than their democrat counterparts in successfully rigging an American election for their 'guy'.

You're kidding right? The Republicans hated DJT. He steamrolled all comers. 12 of them.... You think they helped him?

No way

-Geaux

Having so many others in the race at the start helped Trump greatly, as voters were all spread out among the 15 others and there was no clear favorite


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[playtime]

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

and they MAY be the reason Hillary lost in those states

hillary lost the electoral college. by some 75K votes.

and?

75K is a low amt to lose by & easily manipulated to get 'er done.

Hillary spent over $1.2 billion, double what Trump spent.
Did all her spending really get undone by Russian memes on Facebook?
Or was she just the most unpleasant (most qualified my ass), most tone-deaf candidate to ever run?

trumpco didn't have to spend much at all for the most expensive media venue - TV - because he was ratings gold.

 

[aaronleland]

Of course we have a say. Especially if we spent over a year criticizing both candidates. Both sides had been presented with plenty of information about the candidates for years, and still the two worst possible candidates won the primaries. Why then should non-voters be dragged into the shit show they had no part in creating?

a fucking WRITE - IN is better than not voting at all. if you let others decide your fate without an input, then ya--- stfu.

Bullshit. I've been in this game long enough to know what disingenuous hacks the "you have no say" crowd are. You vote third party or write-in, and they tell you that you wasted your vote. You vote for the guy they don't like, and they shit all over you for that. It's never about the actual principle of voting. They wanted you to vote for whoever they wanted you to vote for.

oh i voted for nader in 2000 against my own state senator so i know the perils of voting 3rd party. never will again. never actually gave a write in & probably never will. but to waste the opportunity to vote = giving up your right to complain. doing nothing is way worse than any of the other options.

How is it the non-voters doing nothing? So some dude got his lawn mowed early instead of leaving the house, standing in a long line, knowing full well that he would have zero impact on a single human life that day. At least he feels warm and fuzzy inside. Time well spent.

not voting was doing nothing. if complicity gives you the warm & fuzzies- that's fine. but as far as complaining about anything outside your house that impacts society...

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I was at work making money that night. You got Trump. Non-voter= 1. Hillary voter= 0.

 

[JWBooth]

still looking for actual evidence beyond anonymous sources and fifth party assurances

 

[Auld Phart]

Of course we have a say. Especially if we spent over a year criticizing both candidates. Both sides had been presented with plenty of information about the candidates for years, and still the two worst possible candidates won the primaries. Why then should non-voters be dragged into the shit show they had no part in creating?

a fucking WRITE - IN is better than not voting at all. if you let others decide your fate without an input, then ya--- stfu.

Bullshit. I've been in this game long enough to know what disingenuous hacks the "you have no say" crowd are. You vote third party or write-in, and they tell you that you wasted your vote. You vote for the guy they don't like, and they shit all over you for that. It's never about the actual principle of voting. They wanted you to vote for whoever they wanted you to vote for.

oh i voted for nader in 2000 against my own state senator so i know the perils of voting 3rd party. never will again. never actually gave a write in & probably never will. but to waste the opportunity to vote = giving up your right to complain. doing nothing is way worse than any of the other options.

How is it the non-voters doing nothing? So some dude got his lawn mowed early instead of leaving the house, standing in a long line, knowing full well that he would have zero impact on a single human life that day. At least he feels warm and fuzzy inside. Time well spent.

not voting was doing nothing. if complicity gives you the warm & fuzzies- that's fine. but as far as complaining about anything outside your house that impacts society...

s


t


f


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not voting was doing nothing.

on the contrary.

it stated BOTH choices were crap, and we demand better.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

And Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders cost Hillary the Electoral College, and not Russia.

Maybe next time understand how your political party need the green vote or don't and never learn...

 

[MarathonMike]

If you don't own your failures, you are destined to fail again.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

How many Dem voters were turned into deplorables by Russian memes on Facebook?

don't know. not many by the sheer # of the popular vote.

Then how can people claim Russia changed the outcome?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

How many Dem voters were turned into deplorables by Russian memes on Facebook?

don't know. not many by the sheer # of the popular vote.

Then how can people claim Russia changed the outcome?

Simple, their argument is about wikileaks and how it hurt Clinton at the end and Trump being buddies with Putin in their mind.

Fact is Wikileaks did not release anything that was not factual but the timing hurt Clinton and got swing green to go with Stein because of the DNC treatment of Sanders.

So in the deluded minds of fringe left it is easier to claim Russia caused this than admit their candidate and political party were costing them the election because the Democrats wanted to be the first political party to have a womab President on this country...

 

[Geaux4it]

It's very simple, and it concerns me. Is it possible that they in fact hacked servers and changed votes? That is the only way they impacted the election and in the back of my mind I have always suspected it could be possible, just because of the reaction. All the more reason to demand ID to vote.

Otherwise, no way in hell they make up the difference. That is all on Hillary and Americans desire for change. Obama is as much a reason Trump is president as any, he was dragging America to socialism.

Changing votes isn't the only way to influence an election and it also isn't the only criminal way to do it. Apparently they stole voter data and hacked into election and campaign systems. Those breaches are illegal. Social engineering is powerful stuff too and is one of the big pillars of cyber crime. Just because someone convinces you with false information and identity to you yourself do something of your own will doesn't make it legal, right, or fair play in our elections. This might not seem very different from our normal extreme partisan politics around election time but when it's part of a broad orchestrated campaign like our foreign adversary Russia's, then it is an attack on our sovereign republic.

But what about when we, the United States do it to other countries? Is that illegal as well?

-Geaux

What countries have indicted us? I must have missed it.

None.. So what?

-Geaux

 

[JWBooth]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

How many Dem voters were turned into deplorables by Russian memes on Facebook?

don't know. not many by the sheer # of the popular vote.

Then how can people claim Russia changed the outcome?

Simple, their argument is about wikileaks and how it hurt Clinton at the end and Trump being buddies with Putin in their mind.

Fact is Wikileaks did not release anything that was not factual but the timing hurt Clinton and got swing green to go with Stein because of the DNC treatment of Sanders.

So in the deluded minds of fringe left it is easier to claim Russia caused this than admit their candidate and political party were costing them the election because the Democrats wanted to be the first political party to have a womab President on this country...

Wanna guess how many times Wikileaks has been contacted in reference to the investigation?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

and they MAY be the reason Hillary lost in those states

hillary lost the electoral college. by some 75K votes.

and?

75K is a low amt to lose by & easily manipulated to get 'er done.

Hillary spent over $1.2 billion, double what Trump spent.
Did all her spending really get undone by Russian memes on Facebook?
Or was she just the most unpleasant (most qualified my ass), most tone-deaf candidate to ever run?

trumpco didn't have to spend much at all for the most expensive media venue - TV - because he was ratings gold.

He was ratings gold. You don't think getting attacked non-stop somehow neutralized hundreds of millions in spending by the DNC, do you?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

My answer is no

-Geaux

Yes.

 

[Geaux4it]

Wow so far--- 36-3 in favor of NO

Winning like Mr Trump did

-Geaux

 

[Fang]

To think Russia affected the outcome of 2016 election is absolutely laughable. Hillary lost that election all her own. Did Russia make Hillary call half of America deplorable? Did Russia screw Bernie Sanders out of the DNC nomination, or was that his own party? Did Russia forbid Hillary to talk to the middle class in the Rust Belt??? Trump ran a much better campaign and spoke to the middle class while Hillary spoke to Jay Z and Beyonce. This is beyond embarrassing as a US citizen that the US is whining Russia actually has that much pull to be able to affect an election.

 

[JBond]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

Democrats have no history of doing these things.

They don't?

Patriot52 is an unemployed comedian trying new/rehashed material.

 

[Norman]

It was Russia that put the illegal server on Hillary's yard and acid washed the 30.000 emails.

RUSSIA, all along!