Do we owe Muslims another apology?

[GreatestIam]

I have to wonder why some of these people seem to have such hatefulness for Christians. Most of their neighbors would consider themselves Christian in one form or another. I am not religious myself, but I am not "brainwashed" that I cannot see the good that Christians do in this world. There are TONS of Christian charitable organizations out there who do lots of good for lots of people. Then we have the posters here at USMB who think they are "better" or something. Lol.

Jesus said the unbelievers would hate us because they hated him. What kind of people crucify a man like Jesus? They're full of the devil.

Yet it was God who decided to have his son murdered.

You are cursing man for doing God's bidding.

Regards
DL

Yes, so why did God have his son murdered?

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

 

[Taz]

Ya, because the GOP is so charitable.

Is the GOP a Christian charitable organization? Hmm.

All the people on the right are so charitable. Like the GOP and their minions.

Apparently so . . .

Religious faith is a central influence on giving. Religious people are much more likely than the non-religious to donate to charitable causes—including secular causes—and they give much more.

This chart holds all other demographic variables like income, race, education, etc. constant, so that when religious and non-religious counterparts are compared they are true peers in every other way. And the results show that persons who attend religious services twice a month or more give over four times as much as persons who never attend services.

We know the religious are also far more likely to volunteer. Among Americans who have volunteered within the last year, three quarters belong to a religious organization, one quarter do not.

Statistics on U.S. Generosity | The Almanac of American Philanthropy | The Philanthropy Roundtable

So, to try and vilify religious organizations and say that they do NOTHING good in this world is rather ignorant of you, no?

Hating gays, blacks, transgendered, immigrants, the poor... Ya, so very charitable.

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

 

[Taz]

Hating gays, blacks, transgendered, immigrants, the poor... Ya, so very charitable.

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

Disagreeing with implemented government policies regarding these issues and "hating" these people (who we don't really know personally) are not the same thing. It is pretty much impossible to "hate" someone you've never even met before, although you can certainly disagree with their views. The leftists just love to correlate disagreeing with hating. I disagree with a lot of religious views, but I do not "hate" them, unlike leftists who obviously hate them immensely.

"hate" is the current term the left uses for anyone that disagrees with their socialist big brother agenda. No one wants to be considered a "hater", so they label people with that term to try to manipulate them to come around to the leftist view.

Didn't you just accusing taz of being a Christophobic hateful bigot?

okey dokey.

I think that much is pretty obvious when one tries to vilify a charitable organization simply because it has Christian roots. Okay, maybe it is just insanity?

I was just asking questions because my niece is sick. Geez, take a Midol and calm down.

 

[BS Filter]

I have to wonder why some of these people seem to have such hatefulness for Christians. Most of their neighbors would consider themselves Christian in one form or another. I am not religious myself, but I am not "brainwashed" that I cannot see the good that Christians do in this world. There are TONS of Christian charitable organizations out there who do lots of good for lots of people. Then we have the posters here at USMB who think they are "better" or something. Lol.

Jesus said the unbelievers would hate us because they hated him. What kind of people crucify a man like Jesus? They're full of the devil.

Yet it was God who decided to have his son murdered.

You are cursing man for doing God's bidding.

Regards
DL

Yes, so why did God have his son murdered?

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

You

Is the GOP a Christian charitable organization? Hmm.

All the people on the right are so charitable. Like the GOP and their minions.

Apparently so . . .

Religious faith is a central influence on giving. Religious people are much more likely than the non-religious to donate to charitable causes—including secular causes—and they give much more.

This chart holds all other demographic variables like income, race, education, etc. constant, so that when religious and non-religious counterparts are compared they are true peers in every other way. And the results show that persons who attend religious services twice a month or more give over four times as much as persons who never attend services.

We know the religious are also far more likely to volunteer. Among Americans who have volunteered within the last year, three quarters belong to a religious organization, one quarter do not.

Statistics on U.S. Generosity | The Almanac of American Philanthropy | The Philanthropy Roundtable

So, to try and vilify religious organizations and say that they do NOTHING good in this world is rather ignorant of you, no?

Hating gays, blacks, transgendered, immigrants, the poor... Ya, so very charitable.

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

 

[Taz]

I have to wonder why some of these people seem to have such hatefulness for Christians. Most of their neighbors would consider themselves Christian in one form or another. I am not religious myself, but I am not "brainwashed" that I cannot see the good that Christians do in this world. There are TONS of Christian charitable organizations out there who do lots of good for lots of people. Then we have the posters here at USMB who think they are "better" or something. Lol.

Jesus said the unbelievers would hate us because they hated him. What kind of people crucify a man like Jesus? They're full of the devil.

Yet it was God who decided to have his son murdered.

You are cursing man for doing God's bidding.

Regards
DL

Yes, so why did God have his son murdered?

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

You

All the people on the right are so charitable. Like the GOP and their minions.

Apparently so . . .

Religious faith is a central influence on giving. Religious people are much more likely than the non-religious to donate to charitable causes—including secular causes—and they give much more.

This chart holds all other demographic variables like income, race, education, etc. constant, so that when religious and non-religious counterparts are compared they are true peers in every other way. And the results show that persons who attend religious services twice a month or more give over four times as much as persons who never attend services.

We know the religious are also far more likely to volunteer. Among Americans who have volunteered within the last year, three quarters belong to a religious organization, one quarter do not.

Statistics on U.S. Generosity | The Almanac of American Philanthropy | The Philanthropy Roundtable

So, to try and vilify religious organizations and say that they do NOTHING good in this world is rather ignorant of you, no?

Hating gays, blacks, transgendered, immigrants, the poor... Ya, so very charitable.

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

 

[BS Filter]

Jesus said the unbelievers would hate us because they hated him. What kind of people crucify a man like Jesus? They're full of the devil.

Yet it was God who decided to have his son murdered.

You are cursing man for doing God's bidding.

Regards
DL

Yes, so why did God have his son murdered?

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

You

Apparently so . . .

Religious faith is a central influence on giving. Religious people are much more likely than the non-religious to donate to charitable causes—including secular causes—and they give much more.

This chart holds all other demographic variables like income, race, education, etc. constant, so that when religious and non-religious counterparts are compared they are true peers in every other way. And the results show that persons who attend religious services twice a month or more give over four times as much as persons who never attend services.

We know the religious are also far more likely to volunteer. Among Americans who have volunteered within the last year, three quarters belong to a religious organization, one quarter do not.

Statistics on U.S. Generosity | The Almanac of American Philanthropy | The Philanthropy Roundtable

So, to try and vilify religious organizations and say that they do NOTHING good in this world is rather ignorant of you, no?

Hating gays, blacks, transgendered, immigrants, the poor... Ya, so very charitable.

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

Since God is not real, why do you waste so much time and energy posting about Him?

 

[Taz]

Yet it was God who decided to have his son murdered.

You are cursing man for doing God's bidding.

Regards
DL

Yes, so why did God have his son murdered?

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

You

Hating gays, blacks, transgendered, immigrants, the poor... Ya, so very charitable.

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

Since God is not real, why do you waste so much time and energy posting about Him?

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

 

[BS Filter]

Yes, so why did God have his son murdered?

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

You

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

Since God is not real, why do you waste so much time and energy posting about Him?

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

 

[Taz]

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

You

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

Since God is not real, why do you waste so much time and energy posting about Him?

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything concrete. All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

 

[BS Filter]

You
Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

Since God is not real, why do you waste so much time and energy posting about Him?

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

 

[Taz]

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

Since God is not real, why do you waste so much time and energy posting about Him?

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

I have seeked Him with all my heart. He's ignoring me.

 

[BS Filter]

Since God is not real, why do you waste so much time and energy posting about Him?

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

I have seeked Him with all my heart. He's ignoring me.

Smart. That's what I should do.

 

[hobelim]

Since God is not real, why do you waste so much time and energy posting about Him?

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

I have seeked Him with all my heart. He's ignoring me.

You have to seek him with all of your mind too. If there is a problem thats where it is.

Everything you see , feel, think, fear, dream, imagine or remember - your entire experience of life - is happening in the brain.

If you do not differentiate between what is good and what is harmful to have in the thought patterns and long term memory files of your mind, it will malfunction and your perceptions of everything will be distorted and like a computer with malware inserted into its programs it will crash repeatedly or at best produce flawed computations and errors.

Thats why when you look for God you see nothing and feel bad.

Whats the problem? Clean out the clutter accumulated over the years like junk files and deliberately installed malware that distorts and perverts the perceptions in your own head , and at the very least you will feel much better.

 

[ding]

Jesus said the unbelievers would hate us because they hated him. What kind of people crucify a man like Jesus? They're full of the devil.

Yet it was God who decided to have his son murdered.

You are cursing man for doing God's bidding.

Regards
DL

Yes, so why did God have his son murdered?

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

You

Apparently so . . .

Religious faith is a central influence on giving. Religious people are much more likely than the non-religious to donate to charitable causes—including secular causes—and they give much more.

This chart holds all other demographic variables like income, race, education, etc. constant, so that when religious and non-religious counterparts are compared they are true peers in every other way. And the results show that persons who attend religious services twice a month or more give over four times as much as persons who never attend services.

We know the religious are also far more likely to volunteer. Among Americans who have volunteered within the last year, three quarters belong to a religious organization, one quarter do not.

Statistics on U.S. Generosity | The Almanac of American Philanthropy | The Philanthropy Roundtable

So, to try and vilify religious organizations and say that they do NOTHING good in this world is rather ignorant of you, no?

Hating gays, blacks, transgendered, immigrants, the poor... Ya, so very charitable.

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

Probably because you are an atheist instead of an agnostic.

 

[Taz]

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

I have seeked Him with all my heart. He's ignoring me.

Smart. That's what I should do.

So why wouldn't god contact me? He a cherry-picker too?

 

[Taz]

When I first came here I was wanting to see if anyone had anything concrete to propose about god. Turns out no one here does, but that doesn't mean that my search can't continue.

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

I have seeked Him with all my heart. He's ignoring me.

You have to seek him with all of your mind too. If there is a problem thats where it is.

Everything you see , feel, think, fear, dream, imagine or remember - your entire experience of life - is happening in the brain.

If you do not differentiate between what is good and what is harmful to have in the thought patterns and long term memory files of your mind, it will malfunction and your perceptions of everything will be distorted and like a computer with malware inserted into its programs it will crash repeatedly or at best produce flawed computations and errors.

Thats why when you look for God you see nothing and feel bad.

Whats the problem? Clean out the clutter accumulated over the years like junk files and deliberately installed malware that distorts and perverts the perceptions in your own head , and at the very least you will feel much better.

Ok Mr Bad Analogy, what concrete steps would a human like me do to find god?

 

[Taz]

Yet it was God who decided to have his son murdered.

You are cursing man for doing God's bidding.

Regards
DL

Yes, so why did God have his son murdered?

Pardon the longish reply.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

------------------------

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL
-----------------------
Evolutionary theology.

You

Hating gays, blacks, transgendered, immigrants, the poor... Ya, so very charitable.

Squawk......squawk......Polly want a cracker? You forgot "islamophobia" and "homophobia". Better brush up on your propaganda talking points. Christophobic hateful bigot.

You're mad at the truth. Then change something. You're welcome.

Naw, I'm not angry at anything. You hate God, that's all.

How can I hate a made up, invisible alien? That would be like hating Santa Claus!!!

Probably because you are an atheist instead of an agnostic.

You're the one who hates the bible and doesn't believe the stories to be true.

 

[BS Filter]

You don't go to people when you're searching for God. You search for God, himself. Maybe that's why you haven't found Him.

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

I have seeked Him with all my heart. He's ignoring me.

You have to seek him with all of your mind too. If there is a problem thats where it is.

Everything you see , feel, think, fear, dream, imagine or remember - your entire experience of life - is happening in the brain.

If you do not differentiate between what is good and what is harmful to have in the thought patterns and long term memory files of your mind, it will malfunction and your perceptions of everything will be distorted and like a computer with malware inserted into its programs it will crash repeatedly or at best produce flawed computations and errors.

Thats why when you look for God you see nothing and feel bad.

Whats the problem? Clean out the clutter accumulated over the years like junk files and deliberately installed malware that distorts and perverts the perceptions in your own head , and at the very least you will feel much better.

Ok Mr Bad Analogy, what concrete steps would a human like me do to find god?

You've been told how to find God. Others do it. Perhaps you're a demon possessed troll.

 

[hobelim]

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

I have seeked Him with all my heart. He's ignoring me.

You have to seek him with all of your mind too. If there is a problem thats where it is.

Everything you see , feel, think, fear, dream, imagine or remember - your entire experience of life - is happening in the brain.

If you do not differentiate between what is good and what is harmful to have in the thought patterns and long term memory files of your mind, it will malfunction and your perceptions of everything will be distorted and like a computer with malware inserted into its programs it will crash repeatedly or at best produce flawed computations and errors.

Thats why when you look for God you see nothing and feel bad.

Whats the problem? Clean out the clutter accumulated over the years like junk files and deliberately installed malware that distorts and perverts the perceptions in your own head , and at the very least you will feel much better.

Ok Mr Bad Analogy, what concrete steps would a human like me do to find god?

You've been told how to find God. Others do it. Perhaps you're a demon possessed troll.

Sounds more like a brain malfunction than anything deliberate.

He asks what must he do to find God. He is told to stop being an asshole.

he says "you're crazy. What about the kangaroos?"

He asks what he must do to find God. He is told to stop being an asshole.
'
he says, "you're crazy. what about the kangaroos?"

etc., etc., ad nauseam.

Then he says a crashing and malfunctioning computer was a bad analogy and exactly like a crashing and malfunctioning computer he asks for the millionth time what he must do to find God as if it was his first day here and was never given the answer a million times..lol..

 

[Taz]

I can't find Him. That's why I check out other people's opinions on the subject to see if they've got anything . All you people have is a book that nobody believes is true.

You'll find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. I'm pulling for ya. Bye.

I have seeked Him with all my heart. He's ignoring me.

You have to seek him with all of your mind too. If there is a problem thats where it is.

Everything you see , feel, think, fear, dream, imagine or remember - your entire experience of life - is happening in the brain.

If you do not differentiate between what is good and what is harmful to have in the thought patterns and long term memory files of your mind, it will malfunction and your perceptions of everything will be distorted and like a computer with malware inserted into its programs it will crash repeatedly or at best produce flawed computations and errors.

Thats why when you look for God you see nothing and feel bad.

Whats the problem? Clean out the clutter accumulated over the years like junk files and deliberately installed malware that distorts and perverts the perceptions in your own head , and at the very least you will feel much better.

Ok Mr Bad Analogy, what concrete steps would a human like me do to find god?

You've been told how to find God. Others do it. Perhaps you're a demon possessed troll.

If you're not going to help, why don't you go fuck yourself? Speaking of trolls...