Do Christians have more faith in Jesus or those who told the story?

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by Dr.Drock, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. Dr.Drock
    Offline

    Dr.Drock Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,680
    Thanks Received:
    940
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +940
    Codex Sinaiticus, the world's oldest Bible, unified online for the first time in over a century

    Think about it, the oldest biblical writings found were written 400-500 years after the fact. This would mean for all those years the books and stories of the Bible would have had to have been told perfectly person to person with nothing left out.

    So this means you have to have 100% faith that a text written 400-500 years after the fact is 100% accurate and for the sections that are missing you have to have complete faith that every word was relayed perfectly and translated exactly from language to language.

    I think that takes as much faith as christianity in general.
     
  2. konradv
    Offline

    konradv Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2010
    Messages:
    22,560
    Thanks Received:
    2,558
    Trophy Points:
    280
    Location:
    Baltimore
    Ratings:
    +5,673
    That's one reason the RCC doesn't make a fetish of the Bible and recommends one studies it under the guidance of someone learned in the subject, so that people like Koresh et al. don't lead people astray.
     
  3. Dr.Drock
    Offline

    Dr.Drock Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,680
    Thanks Received:
    940
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +940
    Don't people who become "learned" on the subject do so by reading these old texts?

    The texts are old but put this into your own life. Imagine you had family that came over with Christopher Columbus, then the story is told family to family for hundreds of years, then you write it down. Do you think what you wrote down will be exactly what the person said and went through so many hundreds of years ago?

    My example doesn't even include the next 1500 years.
     
  4. del
    Offline

    del BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2008
    Messages:
    45,052
    Thanks Received:
    9,830
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +9,885
    no it doesn't. it just means earlier copies didn't survive until now or haven't been found.

    fail
     
  5. Dr.Drock
    Offline

    Dr.Drock Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,680
    Thanks Received:
    940
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +940
    So how do you know the pages found 400-500 years later are word for word exactly the same as those older texts that haven't been found? Blind faith right?

    Succeed lol
     
  6. manifold
    Offline

    manifold Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2008
    Messages:
    48,710
    Thanks Received:
    7,230
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Location:
    your dreams
    Ratings:
    +20,760
    This post screams 'atheist in search of validation'

    One of the nice things about God, faith and all that is that there is no rock solid proof one way or the other and so everyone pretty much gets to decide for themselves.

    Those who've made peace with their own decision seldom get defensive about it.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  7. del
    Offline

    del BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2008
    Messages:
    45,052
    Thanks Received:
    9,830
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +9,885
    i don't.

    neither do i labor under the misapprehension that the absence of proof equals the nonexistence of proof as you seem to.

    IIRC, the earliest gospels were written within 50-100 years of the death of christ and the old testament has been continuously published much longer than that. as i'm neither a christian nor a jew, i don't really worry about it.
     
  8. Mini 14
    Offline

    Mini 14 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2010
    Messages:
    3,947
    Thanks Received:
    570
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +570
    My faith is in God, and Jesus, not the Bible itself.

    They tell me what I need to know directly, the Bible is merely an introduction.

    So no....this doesn't affect me in any way.
     
  9. Dr.Drock
    Offline

    Dr.Drock Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,680
    Thanks Received:
    940
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +940
    A good swing of the bat with the assumption, but not quite on target. I am atheist but connecting me asking a particular question about one religion of thousands wouldn't be me trying to validate. I'm perfectly validated by science, nothing more necessary. This is a message board to discuss things, that's what I'm doing.
     
  10. peach174
    Offline

    peach174 Gold Member Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2010
    Messages:
    20,524
    Thanks Received:
    4,042
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Location:
    S.E. AZ
    Ratings:
    +7,360
    People have faith in Jesus because they know that the men who wrote the stories was given by God,not man. How can you not have faith, when stories that have been told over thousands of years tie in so perfectly. Especially when the Prophets, Daniel (written around 605-536 B.C.) and Ezekiel (written around 592-570 B.C.) ties in beautifully with Revelation (written around 95-96 A.D.).
    You see Revelation happening right before our eyes.
    And the Bible says that to know when end times are happening is;
    One- the good news of Jesus must be preached to the whole world -Done
    2nd- that Israel must become a nation again -Done
    3rd- That the world will be in a huge climate change -On going.
    4th - That the world will be in turmoil -On going
    5th - That there will be famines,pestilences, and earthquakes - happening
    I believe that we are starting in the 3rd seal of Revelation - where wheat and barley prices will rise so dramatically that it will cost you a day wage. Seems to be starting.
    So, each to his or her own. Believe or don't Believe. It's up to you.
     

Share This Page