Disband the air force!!!!11!!

[jillian]

Ummmm, yea, it is. It's defending the country. Defending the country is granted to congress under the Constitution.

so is providing for the general welfare and governing interstate commerce.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ummmm, yea, it is. It's defending the country. Defending the country is granted to congress under the Constitution.

so is providing for the general welfare and governing interstate commerce.

Don't you argue that we are not smart enough to interpret the Constitution? So why do you get to do so?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Have you forgotten these statist think the constitution should be specfic word for word like the government is authorized to have an Air Forcet.

Actually, that's the Tenthers


You know, like OdDude

Founding Fathers on Charity, Wealth Redistribution, and Federal Govt.
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”
-John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:
“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

“…[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”
-James Madison

 

[editec]

Have you forgotten these statist think the constitution should be specfic word for word like the government is authorized to have an Air Forcet.

Actually, that's the Tenthers


You know, like OdDude

Founding Fathers on Charity, Wealth Redistribution, and Federal Govt.
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”
-John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:
“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

“…[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”
-James Madison

Okay now look at what they DID, rather than what they SAID.

See the difference?

Apparently not.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Actually, that's the Tenthers


You know, like OdDude

Founding Fathers on Charity, Wealth Redistribution, and Federal Govt.
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”
-John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:
“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

“…[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”
-James Madison

Okay now look at what they DID, rather than what they SAID.

See the difference?

Apparently not.

You have got to be kidding me.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Founding Fathers on Charity, Wealth Redistribution, and Federal Govt.
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”
-John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:
“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

“…[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”
-James Madison

Okay now look at what they DID, rather than what they SAID.

See the difference?

Apparently not.

You have got to be kidding me.

No he actually is serious, You see being a good liberal he does not believe the written word means anything EXCEPT what you can twist it to mean.

 

[Douger]

Ummmm, yea, it is. It's defending the country. Defending the country is granted to congress under the Constitution.

The OP is in stupid mode today. Pity.

If it's defending the country why aren't their jets strafing Crapital hill.,the Pentagram and Wall Street ?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Okay now look at what they DID, rather than what they SAID.

See the difference?

Apparently not.

You have got to be kidding me.

No he actually is serious, You see being a good liberal he does not believe the written word means anything EXCEPT what you can twist it to mean.

Yep and what they fail to grasp is that words meant something to the founders. We live in a differant time than they did. What they said is what they meant, and context was never the subject.

 

[editec]

Founding Fathers on Charity, Wealth Redistribution, and Federal Govt.
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”
-John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:
“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

“…[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”
-James Madison

Okay now look at what they DID, rather than what they SAID.

See the difference?

Apparently not.

You have got to be kidding me.

No I was not kidding.

Everybody can spout noble words and sentiments, but the proof of their nobility is found in their actions, not in parced out blurbs that they might have penned or uttered.

These guys did NOT live up to the standards of non-government interference of the individual behavior that you imagine them to have lived up to.

In fact, the Federal government has been violating the principles that you ONLY imagine they held onto since day one.

One of the first things that the founding father did, for example, was to put down a TAX revolt.

A tax revolt of farmers who only wanted to turn their corn into alcohol.

And why did these NBOLE founding father do that?

On behalf of rum distillers, molassas and slave traders whose business was being effected by the growing pupularity of CORN ALCOHOL over RUM.

Everything you think you know about these people is basically wrong.

They did not shit marble, they did not go directly to heaven and they most certainly were NOT libertarians.

 

[Oddball]

If one is truly DELUSIONAL enough to THINK that one can have a LITERAL interpretation of the Consitution then the AIR Force, Homeland Security, the CIA, FBI, and a whole host of other organziations in executivbe branch of the Federal Government would be disbanded and defunded.

I note that our right wing (I hate all social welfare) folks like to ignore that fact while they're bitching about other (according to them unconsitutional) departments like the Department of Education, Energy and the SEC.

Odd how they can so clearly understand the unconsitutional nature in the case of those things they disapporve of, but NOT of organizations that they DO approve of like Homeland Security, isn't it?

Nobody said anything about the CIA, FBI or DHS, Captain Strawman.

You're smarter than this.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Okay now look at what they DID, rather than what they SAID.

See the difference?

Apparently not.

You have got to be kidding me.

No I was not kidding.

Everybody can spount noble words, but the proof of their nobility is found in their actions.

These guys did NOT live up to the standards of non-government interference of the individual behavior that you imagine them to have lived up to.


In fact the Federal government has been violating the principles that you ONLY imagine they held onto since day one.

The founders died out around the middle of the 19th century, What they started has been destried by 20th century politicans starting with Wilson. They acted upon what they said and believed.

 

[daveman]

The Left has pushed America to live up to its stated principles. You know, like all men being equal and not some being born into slavery due to the colour of their skin.

Ummmm...not really.

Psst: the Republicans were to the left of the Dems when they were founded


I said the Left, not either the Dems or the Reps

idiot

Yeah, you just keep pretending.

 

[daveman]

Ummmm, yea, it is. It's defending the country. Defending the country is granted to congress under the Constitution.

The OP is in stupid mode today. Pity.

If it's defending the country why aren't their jets strafing Crapital hill.,the Pentagram and Wall Street ?

Because we don't let coward runaways write the op orders.

 

[JBeukema]

Have you forgotten these statist think the constitution should be specfic word for word like the government is authorized to have an Air Forcet.

Actually, that's the Tenthers


You know, like OdDude

Founding Fathers on Charity, Wealth Redistribution, and Federal Govt.
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

What about to take from one because he was a ****** and therefore a subhuman meant by god to be a slave to pay for Cain's sins?

Oh yeah, he was cool with that.


And why are we to be governed by corpses like North Korea, again?

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
-Thomas Jefferson

I wonder whether he'd apply the same argument to providing for the common defense... After all, the constitutional language is pretty damn similar

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God

Property like chattel?

Laws like the commandments to commit genocide and requiring a girl to marry her rapist?

 

[JBeukema]

You have got to be kidding me.

No he actually is serious, You see being a good liberal he does not believe the written word means anything EXCEPT what you can twist it to mean.

Yep and what they fail to grasp is that words meant something to the founders. We live in a differant time than they did. What they said is what they meant, and context was never the subject.

Yeah, like 'Men' meant White landed gentry- and only White landed gentry

And 'property' meant *******

 

[JBeukema]

They did not shit marble, they did not go directly to heaven and they most certainly were NOT libertarians.

Basically, they were bourgeois liberals

 

[daveman]

They did not shit marble, they did not go directly to heaven and they most certainly were NOT libertarians.

Basically, they were bourgeois liberals

The liberalism of the time and the liberalism of today have only one thing in common: The name.

 

[JBeukema]

As I said, they were basically Bourgeois Liberals

 

[Cain]

Haha? [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08[/ame]

 

[Two Thumbs]

Ummmm, yea, it is.

No, it's not.


The Army is. The Navy is. The Militias are. The Coast Guard and the Air Force are not.

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

It's defending the country

Not constitutionally. You want an air force, change the constitution.

Or are you now proposing a 'living constitution' like some kind of liberocommieprogressive?

That's actaully a valid point.

It would also be the end of the Marines, since they are not Army.

Doesn't matter

They would just be absorbed back into the parent branches of Army/Navy. They would still exist.