Disband the air force!!!!11!!

[JBeukema]

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The Military is "providing" for the common defense.
Child Labor Laws are "promoting" the general welfare.

Then both are constitutional, yes?

 

[JamesInFlorida]

I know this "the air force is unconstitutional" is just a troll/bait trap. But technically the air force started out as a branch of the army-before becoming the air force. So it was technically created perfectly constitutionally. Next.

 

[JBeukema]

IT'S NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION! THAT MAKES IT TYRANNY!

GET YOUR GUNS, TEABAGGERS! SET YOUR SURVEYORS' MARKS ON THE AIR FORCE AND END THIS ABUSE!!







until they amend the constitution, the Air Force is unconstitutional

Wrong, tovarich:

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

An air force is a building?

 

[JBeukema]

I know this "the air force is unconstitutional" is just a troll/bait trap. But technically the air force started out as a branch of the army-before becoming the air force. So it was technically created perfectly constitutionally. Next.

So an Obama Civil Control Force would be constitutional if the nucleus was any given army platoon?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, it's not.


The Army is. The Navy is. The Militias are. The Coast Guard and the Air Force are not.



Not constitutionally. You want an air force, change the constitution.

Or are you now proposing a 'living constitution' like some kind of liberocommieprogressive?

the air force was originally part of the army..... Truman rightfully split them off....

The United States Air Force (USAF) is the aerial warfare service branch of the United States Armed Forces and one of the American uniformed services. Initially part of the United States Army, the USAF was formed as a separate branch of the military on September 18, 1947 under the National Security Act of 1947.[1] It is the most recent branch of the U.S. military to be formed. The USAF articulates its core functions in its 2010 Posture Statement as Nuclear Deterrence Operations, Special Operations, Air Superiority, Global Integrated ISR, Space Superiority, Command and Control, Cyberspace Superiority, Personnel Recovery, Global Precision Attack, Building Partnerships, Rapid Global Mobility and Agile Combat Support.[4]

United States Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So if Obama creates an 'OBAMA CORPS' stong enough to rival the military and to operate outside the existing chain of command- as Beck insists he will do- that's fine so long as its core is a split from the Army?

You have one life to give for your president
I have one life to give for my country.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

I know this "the air force is unconstitutional" is just a troll/bait trap. But technically the air force started out as a branch of the army-before becoming the air force. So it was technically created perfectly constitutionally. Next.

So an Obama Civil Control Force would be constitutional if the nucleus was any given army platoon?

 

[Oddball]

I know this "the air force is unconstitutional" is just a troll/bait trap. But technically the air force started out as a branch of the army-before becoming the air force. So it was technically created perfectly constitutionally. Next.

There's no specification for a cavalry, either. Yet, it was an integral part of the US Army at the founding.

OP troll red herring fails!

 

[JBeukema]

the air force was originally part of the army..... Truman rightfully split them off....

The United States Air Force (USAF) is the aerial warfare service branch of the United States Armed Forces and one of the American uniformed services. Initially part of the United States Army, the USAF was formed as a separate branch of the military on September 18, 1947 under the National Security Act of 1947.[1] It is the most recent branch of the U.S. military to be formed. The USAF articulates its core functions in its 2010 Posture Statement as Nuclear Deterrence Operations, Special Operations, Air Superiority, Global Integrated ISR, Space Superiority, Command and Control, Cyberspace Superiority, Personnel Recovery, Global Precision Attack, Building Partnerships, Rapid Global Mobility and Agile Combat Support.[4]

United States Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So if Obama creates an 'OBAMA CORPS' stong enough to rival the military and to operate outside the existing chain of command- as Beck insists he will do- that's fine so long as its core is a split from the Army?

You have one life to give for your president
I have one life to give for my country.

I would give my life neither for president nor country. Only for principle. Or perhaps in the pursuit of profit, if things didn't go as planned.

 

[JBeukema]

I know this "the air force is unconstitutional" is just a troll/bait trap. But technically the air force started out as a branch of the army-before becoming the air force. So it was technically created perfectly constitutionally. Next.

So an Obama Civil Control Force would be constitutional if the nucleus was any given army platoon?

Hey, it's your argument.

 

[JBeukema]

I know this "the air force is unconstitutional" is just a troll/bait trap. But technically the air force started out as a branch of the army-before becoming the air force. So it was technically created perfectly constitutionally. Next.

There's no specification for a cavalry, either. Yet, it was an integral part of the US Army at the founding.

OP troll red herring fails!

Is the Calvary a distinct branch with its own command structure? Or does it operate as part of the Army?

 

[gautama]

Show me where the Air Force appears in the Constitution

JLookey-kooky,

You are insane.

And, BTW......go fuck yourself.

 

[JBeukema]

Show me where the Air Force appears in the Constitution

JLookey-kooky,

You are insane.

And, BTW......go fuck yourself.

So you couldn''t find it either?

 

[shintao]

So... defense means they can make up new military forces but Article 1 Section 8 means they can't provide for the general prosperity of the nation and its people by ensuring a wage above that of the old sharecroppers and preventing 8-year-olds from being sent into the mines?

in what way does paying SOME few people minimum wage provide for the GENERAL welfare of the UNITED STATES?

It ensures ALL people make at least minimum wage, not SOME people.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So if Obama creates an 'OBAMA CORPS' stong enough to rival the military and to operate outside the existing chain of command- as Beck insists he will do- that's fine so long as its core is a split from the Army?

You have one life to give for your president
I have one life to give for my country.

I would give my life neither for president nor country. Only for principle. Or perhaps in the pursuit of profit, if things didn't go as planned.

You see thats were the fault lies. My country has principle's since the founding the progressive movement whether tit be through the DNC or the GOP has tried to redefine those principle's. My country is great and worth dying for your country( president )isn't.

 

[shintao]

Show me where the Air Force appears in the Constitution

JLookey-kooky,

You are insane.

And, BTW......go fuck yourself.

It sounds like your hinting you want to give him a reach around. Do you always troll posters here at USMB?

 

[whitehall]

The government needs to get a handle on the specific missions of the Military branches. We have Navy Seals which evolved from UDT (frogman) now expanded to Recon and patrols in the Afghan mountains. Why do we need Seals in the mountains? Aren't there enough Recon specialists in the Marines or Special Forces? I think the Air Force has camo clad ground troops also. Get back to basics.

Here's an idea. Why not let those who are doing the job decide what is best. Armchair quarterbacks serve no purpose.

Think about your post girlie, if you are able to. What insight did you offer? Your response was based on emotion and little else. It gives you some understanding about the left's wanting to shut down speech they don't agree with. They don't have the intelligence to respond. We are all armchair quaterbacks here. That's what a political forum is all about.

 

[JBeukema]

You have one life to give for your president
I have one life to give for my country.

I would give my life neither for president nor country. Only for principle. Or perhaps in the pursuit of profit, if things didn't go as planned.

You see thats were the fault lies. My country has principle's since the founding

Tell it to Washington's slaves

the progressive movement whether tit be through the DNC or the GOP has tried to redefine those principle's

The Left has pushed America to live up to its stated principles. You know, like all men being equal and not some being born into slavery due to the colour of their skin.

. My country is great and worth dying for

I'm sure Iraq, Guatemala, and the rest of the world all agree.

Oh, and the kids from MKULTRA.

your country( president )isn't.

Let me guess, we're back to the 'NOT MY PRESIDENT' image macros we saw from the Dems when Bush was in office?

It's like you idiots trade scripts and perform the same show over and over.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

So an Obama Civil Control Force would be constitutional if the nucleus was any given army platoon?

Hey, it's your argument.

The constitution sets up the president to be the commander and chief of the US military in article 2 of the constitution:

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

I'll give you 2 ways it's constitutional (off the top of my head):

1. The air force was formed under the Army, which is mentioned in the constitution, the formation of the US Army Air Corps was a section of the Army-therefore it is 100% constitutional.
2. Truman as president-and presiding commander and chief of the US army (as the constitution plainly states), allowed the Air Force to become it's own separate. Being as Truman was the commander and chief at the time, he had the authority under the constitution to allow this to happen-and obviously didn't see fit to prevent it.

Go back under the bridge you came from ya troll.

edit: I mean your claim is an obviously trolling-nobody else thinks that the air force is unconstitutional-liberal or conservative.

 

[JBeukema]

Hey, it's your argument.

The constitution sets up the president to be the commander and chief of the US military in article 2 of the constitution:

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States

See, no air force

1. The air force was formed under the Army, which is mentioned in the constitution, the formation of the US Army Air Corps was a section of the Army-therefore it is 100% constitutional.

Then, too, Beck's Obama Corps. Why, then, list the various branches at all? Why did they not simply say he is CIC of all military forces? Unless you advocate a liberal reading of COTUS and interpreting as you see fit- but then we're back to the original complaint from the Right.

2. Truman as president-and presiding commander and chief of the US army (as the constitution plainly states), allowed the Air Force to become it's own separate. Being as Truman was the commander and chief at the time, he had the authority under the constitution to allow this to happen-and obviously didn't see fit to prevent it.

So the president can do anything at all with the military and it's always constitutional?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I would give my life neither for president nor country. Only for principle. Or perhaps in the pursuit of profit, if things didn't go as planned.

You see thats were the fault lies. My country has principle's since the founding

Tell it to Washington's slaves

The Left has pushed America to live up to its stated principles. You know, like all men being equal and not some being born into slavery due to the colour of their skin.

. My country is great and worth dying for

I'm sure Iraq, Guatemala, and the rest of the world all agree.

Oh, and the kids from MKULTRA.

your country( president )isn't.

Let me guess, we're back to the 'NOT MY PRESIDENT' image macros we saw from the Dems when Bush was in office?

It's like you idiots trade scripts and perform the same show over and over.

As I said my country is great lebrials have tried to transform it into another 3rd world country so everybody will be equal. equally poor that is.