Did Trump Lawyers Make A Mistake Or Did They Set A Trap For The Racist DA And Judge?

[BackAgain]

YOU need to go with that on appeal. lol

You don’t understand a single thing discussed her.

Obviously.

Are you one of the libturd assclowns who assumes that judge Errmoron can’t be reversed on appeal?

 

[Marener]

It necessarily means that the judge chose not to credit the market valuation from Trump

This I agree with, and based on Trump’s defense, I can’t see why not. The guy claimed it was worth $1.5 billion but doesn’t offer any evidence beyond his say so.

It does not require that they accept the county assessor value.

Trump’s defense claimed they could disregard the restrictions on the deed, allowing them to inflate the value. That’s just wrong.

 

[Doc7505]

Unreal Provocation – ​

Judge in New York Civil Trial Against Donald Trump Invites Media into Courtroom to Highlight Circus Trial and Ham for the Cameras​

Unreal Provocation - Judge in New York Civil Trial Against Donald Trump Invites Media into Courtroom to Highlight Circus Trial and Ham for the Cameras - The Last Refuge
2 Oct 2023 ~~ By Sundance

Wow, does this video ever reflect the state of our corrupted judicial system within a nation that is frayed and collapsing from the radical use of activist Lawfare in litigation against political enemies.

In a New York Civil case against President Trump where the judge is attempting to banish the Trump business from the state, activist Judge Arthur Engoron invited the media into the courtroom so he could emphasize the circus atmosphere and generate extreme gleefulness and antagonism toward courtroom events.
As the media clamored for video and still pictures of President Trump and his lawyers in court, Judge Arthur Engoron, then removed his glasses, smiled and posed for the cameras as if President Trump was a trophy on display. This is insanity in the judiciary and seemingly intended to provoke extreme backlash. WATCH:

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Commentary:
That smirking bastard needs what society use to do with clowns like him ... tar and feathered and a quick trip out of town on a rail.
The Democrats for a Socialist America (CPUSA) mission accomplished on destroying our trust in institutions and systems.
Alinsky and his dunces, weren't smart enough to think of their future once they accomplished their goal

 

[BackAgain]

This I agree with, and based on Trump’s defense, I can’t see why not.

You should have the disastrously ignorant failed attempt at a sentence shot at dawn.

The guy claimed it was worth $1.5 billion but doesn’t offer any evidence beyond his say so.

False. I cited the judge’s decision already. Read it. There you will find what the judge noted was Trump’s valuation.

It does not require that they accept the county assessor value.

It means the judge absolutely did. Otherwise there is no basis at all to claim that Reump’s valuation was off by 2300% and that this constitutes any evidence of fraud.

Good God, boy. You’re truly stupid.

Trump’s defense claimed they could disregard the restrictions on the deed, allowing them to inflate the value. That’s just wrong.

Maybe. Maybe not. Personally, I don’t believe I’d hang even one sentence or footnote of my brief on that contention. But, even so, it’s a certainty that you don’t know the basis for their position.

 

[Marener]

False. I cited the judge’s decision already. Read it. There you will find what the judge noted was Trump’s valuation.

Not false. It’s Trump’s “expert”.

It means the judge absolutely did. Otherwise there is no basis at all to claim that Reump’s valuation was off by 2300% and that this constitutes any evidence of fraud.

The judge didn’t say it was off by 2300% from the TRUE value. The judge said it was off by 2300% of the assessors value.

It helps if you don’t lie about what the judge says.

Maybe. Maybe not. Personally, I don’t believe I’d hang even one sentence or footnote of my brief on that contention. But, even so, it’s a certainty that you don’t know the basis for their position.

No maybe about it. That was what Trump’s lawyers claimed, that is not acceptable.

 

[BackAgain]

Not false. It’s Trump’s “expert”.
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So. False.

The judge didn’t say it was off by 2300% from the TRUE value. The judge said it was off by 2300% of the assessors value.

Which he also said constitutes evidence of fraud by Trump. You idiot. For it to be evidence of fraud, the judge had to have accepted the assessor’s valuation. Damn, you’re stupid.

It helps if you don’t lie about what the judge says.

I didn’t. But you have been. Adhere to your own advice.

No maybe about it. That was what Trump’s lawyers claimed, that is not acceptable.

Maybe. Maybe not. But you still don’t know the basis for their contention. You just don’t like it; and therefore you determine that is “not acceptable.” You’re a hack.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I’m neither full or shit not do I lie. Your projection is overheating.

No. But he did lose a big chunk of it already.

It’s still on trial, you moron. Plus, the judge’s decision is itself a basis for an appeal. That and his obvious bias.

Poor blip. What he is too stupid to comprehend he attributes to gas lighting.

To determine damages.......not to determine if he is liable or not...that part is done....how come Trump didn't present all of that evidence then??

"Opening statements in the civil trial over inflated assets in fraudulent financial statements come less than a week after a shocking ruling by Judge Arthur Engoronthat found Trump and his co-defendants are liable for “persistent and repeated” fraud. The ruling was a significant victory for New York Attorney General Letitia James, who brought the $250 million lawsuit last September alleging that Trump and his co-defendants committed repeated fraud in inflating assets on financial statements to get better terms on commercial real estate loans and insurance policies."

 

[BackAgain]

To determine damages.......not to determine if he is liable or not...that part is done....how come Trump didn't present all of that evidence then??

"Opening statements in the civil trial over inflated assets in fraudulent financial statements come less than a week after a shocking ruling by Judge Arthur Engoronthat found Trump and his co-defendants are liable for “persistent and repeated” fraud. The ruling was a significant victory for New York Attorney General Letitia James, who brought the $250 million lawsuit last September alleging that Trump and his co-defendants committed repeated fraud in inflating assets on financial statements to get better terms on commercial real estate loans and insurance policies."

A post ^ in search of a point.

 

[Marener]

So. False.

It’s literally in the decision. Are you accusing the judge of fabricating it?

Which he also said constitutes evidence of fraud by Trump. You idiot. For it to be evidence of fraud, the judge had to have accepted the assessor’s valuation. Damn, you’re stupid.

No, it doesn’t. The judge just has to believe that the value is not what Trump claimed. You’re making inferences that aren’t justified.

I didn’t. But you have been. Adhere to your own advice.

You leave out critical information that significantly changes the content of the quote. That’s not honest.

Maybe. Maybe not. But you still don’t know the basis for their contention. You just don’t like it; and therefore you determine that is “not acceptable.” You’re a hack.

The judge determined it’s not acceptable and explained why. Current market value cannot suppose possible legal changes in the future. You know better than the judge? Where’s the argument?

 

[Delldude]

The values expressed in the judgement are values valuated by Trump.

Sounds like you need to show a link.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Sounds like you need to show a link.

Sounds like you think the judge orchestrated all the valuations.

Considering this, I don't think a link will help you.

 

[Rawley]

The responses from Trumpers tells me just how often folks like Trump and GOP members bet on the stupidity of their voters to remain in power.

LOL Who says Bidenfluffers don't do irony.

 

[BackAgain]

It’s literally in the decision. Are you accusing the judge of fabricating it?

No. I’m only disputing what you had previously said. The Trump expert valuation is the Trump evaluation. So what? If you imagine you’re making a point, you’re wrong. The judge compared the plaintiff’s valuation (the assessor’s) to the defendant’s valuation. The judge undeniably accepted the former. [Highlighted word corrected via edit.]

No, it doesn’t. The judge just has to believe that the value is not what Trump claimed.

Based on?? What? Pure speculation? Or based on evidence? There was only one other valuation in evidence. Guess where that fact leaves your latest quibbling effort? Yep. Out in some dark void of meaningless gibberish. Your specialty.

You’re making inferences that aren’t justified.

False. I am drawing inferences from the evidence alone. Nothing else is justified.

You leave out critical information that significantly changes the content of the quote. That’s not honest.

It’s also not true. I am not leaving anything out. Stop lying.

The judge determined it’s not acceptable and explained why. Current market value cannot suppose possible legal changes in the future. You know better than the judge? Where’s the argument?

A valuation made by a prospective seller always takes into account the likely or probable future valuation. I wouldn’t sell you a valuable rare coin for today’s valuation if I am of the opinion that it would be worth a lot more in the near future. So my ask is going to take the likely future valuation into account. And guess what? You don’t have to accept it. No fraud at all.

You remain a completely dishonest hack.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

LOL Who says Bidenfluffers don't do irony.

Except everything the non-Trump sycophants have said is ROOTED IN REALITY

Which is why you all look like morons not being to refute a single thing I said

 

[Blaster]

I think it is far more likely that when you hire a lawyer based on the size of her boobs they will do stupid things like this.

I'd still fuck her.

 

[Delldude]

Sounds like you think the judge orchestrated all the valuations.

Considering this, I don't think a link will help you.

Duh............

The judge compared the plaintiff’s valuation (the assessor’s) to the defendant’s valuation. The judge undeniably accepted the latter.

 

[Rawley]

Except everything the non-Trump sycophants have said is ROOTED IN REALITY

Which is why you all look like morons not being to refute a single thing I said

??? I just refuted what you said. It's Biden and the DNC that rely on the stupidity of you Bidenfluffers to remain in power.

 

[jknowgood]

Trump Didn't Request—But Wouldn't Have Received—a Jury Trial in His Civil Fraud Trial, Judge Explains

Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron explained that Trump didn't request a jury trial, but one wasn't available to him in the case.

themessenger.com

"Donald Trump has attacked the New York State Supreme Court judge presiding over his $250 million civil fraud trial as a Democratic “politician” on a quest to financially ruin him. But the judge on Monday noted that it’s the former president's fault that the case is being tried without a jury. Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron noted that “nobody asked for” a jury trial. Earlier this year, New York Attorney Letitia James filed a form with a checkmark next to the field: “Trial without a jury.” Trump’s legal team didn’t file a corresponding form, and the former president may have regretted his lawyer’s inaction ever since.

Trump lashed out against him extensively at a makeshift press conference outside the courtroom, calling for Engoron to be “investigated for what he's done is undervaluing these properties.” Trump habitually attacks the judges who rule against him, filing failed motions to recuse the judges presiding over his federal election-interference case and his hush-money prosecution in New York. Former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman, now the host of the Talking Feds podcast, said that Trump’s legal team has only itself to blame for the bench trial."


If true, this may seem like a mistake by his lawyers, but since Trump has the most accomplished and expert legal team assembled in modern history, something tells me that something else is at play. First, why did the racist DA mark "trial without jury" -- what was she trying to do? why is she afraid to have this be a trial by jury?

Could this be a brilliant move by Trump's lawyers to expose the racist DA and radical leftist judge? By this being a trial by judge, this makes it easier for Trump to file an appeal based on the radical leftist agenda of the judge and a racist DA - both who are woking in a conspiracy against Trump - under the command of Soros and Biden...I mean, Trump would have claimed this whether it is a jury trial or not, but it sounds better to believe this was part of Trump's 4D chess strategy than to believe he hired incompetent attorneys. Since he only hires the best people, obviously.

There is plenty of tape with her saying she was going to get him. That could prove a witch hunt.

 

[Arlette]

You left out the critical phrase “compared to the assessor”. That means you’re wrong

False. He does not need to identify the proper value to determine whether it was overvalued.

Trump assessed Mar A Lago as an unrestricted property.

 

[Marener]

A valuation made by a prospective seller always takes into account the likely or probable future valuation. I wouldn’t sell you a valuable rare coin for today’s valuation if I am of the opinion that it would be worth a lot more in the near future. So my ask is going to take the likely future valuation into account. And guess what? You don’t have to accept it. No fraud at all

Fair market value isn’t what you think the asset is worth. Fair market value is what the market thinks the asset is worth.

No one cares what you think it’s worth. It’s irrelevant. All that matters is what the market will pay for it.

If the legal restrictions are lifted, then it can be priced that way. Until then, the value can’t reflect something which may or may not happen.