Steelplate
Bluesman
Steelplate we are gonna have to disagree on Ryans plan. I see it as a start to a solution, you see it as an end. Those differences can't be meshed.
I strongly disagree with your assertion that price controls are the answer. If the govt wants to control the prices and products of private industry then it needs to be responsible for the company, how its run and what it can charge. That's nuts, no thanks. There is a reason Obama didn't get the sp in his healthcare law. It's insane and didn't have a chance in hell of passing. He barely got this unconstitutional disaster passed.
And yes, school vouchers would destroy the public school "system" aka 3 ring circus. It would however help the students. Especially those in horrible school districts. The fact that you guys don't want any of these types of reforms shows your party for what they are. Greedy control freaks.
Fine... we'll agree to disagree.
So much for an honest discussion without name calling and whatnot... and you're the one that blinked... Ok... gloves off, huh? Greedy control freaks??? Seriously? Job outsourcing and laying Americans off for more profit isn't greedy? Pot? meet kettle.
Sorry dude, either we make things better for the people who spend their money on the things these "so called" job creators make, or this economy is going to keep rolling downhill. And yes... it will be the fault of people like you, who can't(or refuse to) see that there are many, MANY more people that are workers who need to raise a family than rich, greedy tychoons, who always seem to make a killing no matter what.
You can't have a supply side, consumer driven economy when people don't have the money to spend it. THAT is the shortsightedness of Private Sector business. THEY are the ones that Busted Unions, Kept the wages stagnant, outsourced jobs to foreign countries and left a wasteland of blue collar workers in their wake that have little hope of finding a good paying job again and all while that was happening, those same people were raking in profits and salaries like never before....a lot of those Blue Collar people don't have the skills and/or the intelligence to go to school and get a degree. These were factory workers strong of back and strong of heart... and they ripped those strong hearts right out of their chest for fucking money... so don't sit there and call us greedy, you bastard... because Greed is what caused this. The Greed of people who don't want to pay an honest days wages for an honest day's work, the greed of people who think they are "too damned important" to deal with taxes and regulation. The greed of people who think they are above everyone else and think that their agenda is the only one that matters.
Now, their greed continues by wanting to privatize everything that hasn't been yet... Medicare, Social Security, Public Education, the prison system.... This is not for the betterment of the people... this is for them to rake the people over the coals even more.... for their gain.
How fucking DARE you call other people greedy when the agenda you support is NOTHING but Greed based?
They want to get rid of the minimum wage... so they can make even more and let people wonder how they are going to survive... it don't matter to them that even at $7.25, people can't raise a family on it, they want to pay less and make more.
This is the agenda YOU support. Where the ONLY thing that matter is rich people making more and more and regular people losing more and more.
Let me ask you something... what's going to happen when No one has any money for anything extra? When they can only afford to feed their faces and keep some semblance of a roof over their heads? What will become of the economy then? Oh yeah... the Chinese WILL take our place... but it won't be because of the "hated" liberals.... it'll be because of Jackasses like you who think that whatever business does is "good" for the economy and good for America.
Greedy? Of all the damned nerve...
Yes greed. Greed for power over what people do. Greed for more govt control. We've tried your parties plan for nearly 3 years now and all we have to show for it is massive govt and debt and a shit economy. I'm sorry that that point eluded you to the point of making you rage post like a 10th grade kid getting picked on in school. Then you proceed to call ME not my party all manner of names. Grow up son
Bullshit. 3 years? 3 YEARS??? Where?, When? From the moment that Obama got elected, you guys were on the warpath... you guys have been filibustering and stonewalling everything significant that's been put on the legislative table... so don't sit there and tell me that "we've had our way" for 3 years... in fact... you've had your way for 30 years... and this is where we are at because of it.
I was talking about your party... your party is greedy. I don't know you personally, so why should I call you names? Notice in that whole post... when I did mention you personally, it was about the "Agenda you support".
BTW.... congratulations... I had a gig with the trio last night and wasn't around to hear newscasts. Your side's ridiculous extremism over the debt ceiling has downgraded our Credit rating. Maybe finally some more of you people will realize it's not about the debt nearly as much as it is about stability. But that's your sides' plan.... to run the country into the ground so that you can say "see, government doesn't work!"