Did History Channel’s “The Bible” get it wrong?

[Procrustes Stretched]

Liberals should just start burning the Bible and be done with it.

In the real world there are too many liberals and progressives who use the Bible as Jews and Christians.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The history channel shouldn't be covering works of fiction.

The History of the Bible is incredible. There is very little history IN the Bible.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The history channel shouldn't be covering works of fiction.

So does that apply to all oral & written traditions in all cultures?
Archeology and Science has proven that many of the Bible stories are true.
Then the History Chanel should not cover Native American,African,Aborigine and many of the other oral and written history of other cultures.

Not true. Stories are just that, stories. Stories use real places, people and events, but that doesn't make the story true factual or biography.

The history OF the Bible(s) is different than the STORIES IN the Bible(s).

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

So does that apply to all oral & written traditions in all cultures?
Archeology and Science has proven that many of the Bible stories are true.
Then the History Chanel should not cover Native American,African,Aborigine and many of the other oral and written history of other cultures.

ok, what in the bible has been proven true?

What exactly would you consider proof?

And how would proving it to your satisfaction make it any more true? If I had cocoa puffs for breakfeast, would my inability to prove it to you make it any less true?

"What exactly would you consider proof?" Something where having faith is not the foundation of a truth. Proof is easily identifiable and recognized.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

So does that apply to all oral & written traditions in all cultures?
Archeology and Science has proven that many of the Bible stories are true.
Then the History Chanel should not cover Native American,African,Aborigine and many of the other oral and written history of other cultures.

ok, what in the bible has been proven true?

The Tunnel under the city of Jerusalem
The walls of Jericho that fell outward not inward.
The Hittite civilization
Proof of Pontius Pilate
Many, many more that you can look up on line yourself
Archaeological Findings Confirming the Truthfulness of the Bible

What a dopey post. That web site is a religious propaganda web site. It is a crazy place

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

So does that apply to all oral & written traditions in all cultures?
Archeology and Science has proven that many of the Bible stories are true.
Then the History Chanel should not cover Native American,African,Aborigine and many of the other oral and written history of other cultures.

ok, what in the bible has been proven true?

What exactly would you consider proof?

And how would proving it to your satisfaction make it any more true? If I had cocoa puffs for breakfeast, would my inability to prove it to you make it any less true?

Your writing you had cocoa puffs for breakfast cannot be proven because like STORIES in the Bible, faith in the author being truthful has to be a given.

If you actually did have cocoa puffs for breakfast no one really cares unless you used it to control the thoughts, actions, the very lives of other people.

 

[Hollie]

Similarly, would my encounters with space aliens, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster be any less true than your breskfast of cocoa puffs?

You do realize that in addition to books, we have eye witness accounts of peope who have had encounters with space aliens, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Therefore, they must be true.

You're encounters with aliens, bigfoot and the Loch Ness are unaccounted for. You haven't provided the details of any experience. But that still doesn't explain what ima's standard for proof is.

You guys have a habit of saying there is no proof of anything and ignoring evidence. You might not be convinced of the evidence to support God, that doesn't mean there isnt any evidence, just that you don't find it credible.

That's the thing with eye witnesses. You have to weigh the credibility. That's what I find so breathtakingly amazing about the Gospel. I have had an experience with the Lord, but you are under no obligation to take my word for it. You have the opportunity and the duty to go to the Lord and find out for yourself whether what I have said about Him is true. He isn't shy.

I don't have a problem with aliens existing. I dont have a problem with bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster existing. I am not arrogant enough to assume that because I haven't seen or experienced something, it can't happen. I haven't been persuaded by the evidence that has been presented for bigfoot. I have little doubt there is life on other planets. And I havent at all looked at the evidence for the Loch Ness monster.

Of course, none of those things has seriously implications for my life. Which is probably why I havent spent my time investigating the matter. The existence of God, however, does have serious implications for not only my life, but the lives of those I care about. If I have been created by the Lord for a purpose, understanding that purpose is important to determine how I should live my life. If I have been created by God, it has implications to both my individuals rights and my responsibilities to myself, my family, and to my community. If I wasn't created by the Lord, my rights don't come from Him, but from the government, and that has a significant influence on my political viewpoints.

If God exists and created the Universe around me and the Laws of Nature & morality, it impacts what I need to know about the world around me and how I should live my life. The very existence of laws governing the universe tells me that if I want success in life, i need to understand live according to those laws the best I can. If God doesn't exist, and we cease to exist at death, then my actions in this life would and should be very different.

In short, I realized long ago that I needed to find out if there was a God because my life could be very different depending on the answer. After having studied the scriptures and listened to what many with various opinions had to say, I realized the only way I could know the truth for myself is to go the source and ask the Lord. It's the only way anyone can. And if the scripture were true, then I could ask the Lord. Because I knew I needed wisdom that I did not have otherwise.

There are many things I could be doing if there wasn't a God. For example, I wouldn't be wasting my time discussing the matter here if I didn't know there was a God. I have alot of things that are good in my life I could be working on. But when i was seeking the Lord, I made a promise that if He did reveal Himself to me, that I would do my best to follow Him. The Lord kept His promise, and Im going to do my best to follow through on my end.

One of those promises is to stand as a witness of Christ in all times and all places. I know Christ lives because the Spirit revealed it to me. That's the only way I could know. That's the only way you can know. That's the only way anyone could know. Even if Christ appeared in front of us, it is the Spirit that would reveal Him. I am to stand and give my witness. It's the Lord that will pierce your heart by the power of the Spirit. It is the Spirit that will tell you that my witness is true.

You can either create a personal standard of proof that is designed to always excuse you from ever needing to work and find the truth. Or you could have some courage, Take a chance and seek the answers for yourself. The choice is up to you.

You learn the truth when you work for it. If you are just going to sit around waiting for someone else to do the work for you, you will never know for yourself.

My encounters with aliens, bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster are certainly not unaccounted for.They are as extant and as valid as your encounters with the gods.

Need proof? Here's a thought experiment. Replace the terms god, lord, christ in your post with the term "space aliens".

BTW, the space aliens have revealed to me that they are in possession of Joseph Smith's golden plates. If you have the courage to believe, the power of the spirit world will be revealed to you also. If you don't believe, searing flesh and eternal damnation will be your fate.

 

[peach174]

ok, what in the bible has been proven true?

The Tunnel under the city of Jerusalem
The walls of Jericho that fell outward not inward.
The Hittite civilization
Proof of Pontius Pilate
Many, many more that you can look up on line yourself
Archaeological Findings Confirming the Truthfulness of the Bible

What a dopey post. That web site is a religious propaganda web site. It is a crazy place

You can believe what you want to, but the actually archeologist's themselves found the site.
John Garstang and Kathleen Kenyou dug at Jericho for six seasons.
Earnest Sellin and Carl Watzing dug for 3 seasons.
Pictures do not lie. The walls fell out not in.

 

[ima]

Start by showing me some hard facts about Noah's ark and Noah being 600 years old, and we'll go from there.

See that's the problem. You haven't at all provided any standards for what you would consider "hard facts". what do you consider Hard facts?

A hard fact would be like, finding the boat, or noah's grave, anything that's real. Oral traditions passed down and then written down at some point don't qualify. In general though a hard fact is something that a judge would allow you to present in court, not just hearsay.

 

[earlycuyler]

It can't help but be superficial. Get to truthful and factual about the Bible and you run into trouble with the greater masses and the ignorati.

The most I've ever learned about Christianity and Judaism and Islam came from people who studied and/or wrote and spoke about it all in the context of comparative religion, philosophy, and comparative mythology.

Could PBS program have done a better job? Sure, but I bet they had more than a few minds questioning dogma and creed. and that's a good thing

It was a trick question to uncover the religious bigots. The Bible series was covered as well as could be expected. The problem the bigots have is that they don't respect the Bible no matter how it is portrayed.

There are bigots on all sides. Bigotry against religious people and books do very little harm to society. Most of it is a reaction to religious proselytizing. The Bigotry of religious people is often devastating to individuals and whole societies.

As a cultural and philosophical tome, the Bible(s) is interesting, but as a weapon (the literal word of the only god) it is caused more harm on Earth than any book I know of.
Has it contributed to good? Sure, but the good cannot erase the horrors the Bible(s) has sprouted in men's minds

Religious books have done nothing to harm anyone. The Bible has harmed no one. Its men who use the words to execute there political will who have done the damage. And a bigot is a bigot. None are any better then any other.


I stopped watching this drek when the ninja angles were destroying Sodom. This series was the epitome of stupid, and nothing but money grubbing on the part of the producers and directors.

 

[earlycuyler]

Start by showing me some hard facts about Noah's ark and Noah being 600 years old, and we'll go from there.

See that's the problem. You haven't at all provided any standards for what you would consider "hard facts". what do you consider Hard facts?

A hard fact would be like, finding the boat, or noah's grave, anything that's real. Oral traditions passed down and then written down at some point don't qualify. In general though a hard fact is something that a judge would allow you to present in court, not just hearsay.

You dont want that, you just want to spout shit. You are a wannabe troll attempting to be like Dante. You are not even close. Barely on the level of yidnar, but just barely. Go blow a goat.

 

[chikenwing]

ok, what in the bible has been proven true?

What exactly would you consider proof?

And how would proving it to your satisfaction make it any more true? If I had cocoa puffs for breakfeast, would my inability to prove it to you make it any less true?

Similarly, would my encounters with space aliens, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster be any less true than your breskfast of cocoa puffs?

You do realize that in addition to books, we have eye witness accounts of peope who have had encounters with space aliens, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Therefore, they must be true.

Its works on both sides of the coin,faith,believing in the untouchable,the unseen is basic to all religions,in the real world taken at face value, sketchy evidence is all we have for God or space aliens.

 

[chikenwing]

Just looking at our world,with open objective eye's and its easy to believe in one or the other ,or both for some

 

[Hollie]

What exactly would you consider proof?

And how would proving it to your satisfaction make it any more true? If I had cocoa puffs for breakfeast, would my inability to prove it to you make it any less true?

Similarly, would my encounters with space aliens, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster be any less true than your breskfast of cocoa puffs?

You do realize that in addition to books, we have eye witness accounts of peope who have had encounters with space aliens, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Therefore, they must be true.

Its works on both sides of the coin,faith,believing in the untouchable,the unseen is basic to all religions,in the real world taken at face value, sketchy evidence is all we have for God or space aliens.

And evidence is the final arbiter of truth.

The theist can assert a supernatural worldview but has the added responsibility to also show a specific god is the only source of the cohesion of nature. This they do by citing various documents of dubious pedigree, texts that make immutable claims that then are shown to not hold up to much scrutiny, or are clearly wrong, or are flatly contradicted by other texts of equal standing (i.e., other dubious texts that make other immutable claims that are equally shown to fail under even cursory scrutiny, etc.)-- and thus the theist must implement "FAITH".

There is no requirement to be burdened by this mysterious and unexplainable method of attaining knowledge, because faith is not the same as empirical trust. In the "court of Logic", knowledge is knowledge or it isn't. Faith by definition is not knowledge, it is faith-- it is belief despite or regardless of evidence. The moment evidence is applied to faith, and that evidence is shown to support the claim of faith,the claim of faith must lose its status of "faith" and instead become knowledge. Theism cleverly avoids this trap by asserting its claims only and always fall into the category of faith. Well, I for one agree with theists here: They have no knowledge of the truth nor can they by their own standards, they can only have faith.

The materialist has the luxury of an empirical consistency that supports itself repeatedly: if I step out the window, the laws of logic (and of nature), indicate I will fall to the ground below.

Every time. Without fail.

or fails, thus becoming untrue.

Give it a try. Post your results.

 

[mamooth]

One expected flaw of the series was how it portrayed Jesus as very, very white, instead of as the swarthy middle-easterner he actually was.

But heck, pretty much everyone in the series was portrayed as very, very white. Except for Satan, of course. Satan was dark.

 

[Hollie]

One expected flaw of the series was how it portrayed Jesus as very, very white, instead of as the swarthy middle-easterner he actually was.

But heck, pretty much everyone in the series was portrayed as very, very white. Except for Satan, of course. Satan was dark.

People portray gods in their own image.

 

[Avatar4321]

The history channel shouldn't be covering works of fiction.

The History of the Bible is incredible. There is very little history IN the Bible.

Id recommend you read it sometime then. You'd be surprised how much history is in it.

 

[Avatar4321]

"What exactly would you consider proof?" Something where having faith is not the foundation of a truth. Proof is easily identifiable and recognized.

If that was true, we wouldn't have such divisions in the world.

The truth is proof for anything is rare. Evidence for many things abounds.

That's why it's important to look at evidence and weigh credibility and reach our own conclusions. and when something comes to challenge the evidence, we reevaluate. That's how we learn.

Unfortunately, few want to put in the effort to learn. Instead of doing the work it takes to find out for themselves, they want someone else to do the work and "prove" it to them. And that attitude to life will keep those people in ignorance until they change their approach.

That is why I always encourage people to study and learn for themselves. Especially when it comes to the things of God. It is only through humbly searching and experimenting with the Word that people can come to know that it's true. We can only learn the things of the Spirit from the Spirit.

And yet, oddly, it's those that refuse to seek and claim that no one can know that think themselves to be enlightened and open minded. It's amazing to see how the Adversary can decieve even intelligent people.

 

[Avatar4321]

Your writing you had cocoa puffs for breakfast cannot be proven because like STORIES in the Bible, faith in the author being truthful has to be a given.

If you actually did have cocoa puffs for breakfast no one really cares unless you used it to control the thoughts, actions, the very lives of other people.

It's called an analogy. Using analogies helps simplify concepts to better understand them.

And considering Ive never ried to control the thoughts, actions, or lives of others, I don't see how that has to do anything even if you don't like the analogy.

 

[Avatar4321]

My encounters with aliens, bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster are certainly not unaccounted for.They are as extant and as valid as your encounters with the gods.

Need proof? Here's a thought experiment. Replace the terms god, lord, christ in your post with the term "space aliens".

BTW, the space aliens have revealed to me that they are in possession of Joseph Smith's golden plates. If you have the courage to believe, the power of the spirit world will be revealed to you also. If you don't believe, searing flesh and eternal damnation will be your fate.

And you wonder why no one believes you. You mock people and think that somehow gives you credibility. You completely undermine your credibility with your own words.

Do you honestly think people can't tell when you are being dishonest?

Why do you work so hard to remain ignorant of the Eternities? It takes you more effort to make excuses for why you won't go to the Lord and experiment than it does for you to actually do so. Do you imagine that God will somehow excuse you and not hold you accountable because you chose never to find out? You will be accountable for what you have done regardless, and you will be accountable for what you haven't done as well.

When I was first searching I had no clue whether there was a God. Or if there was a God whether He could make it known to me. All I did know is that if there was a God and there was a way to find out, the Lord could reveal Himself to me in some way. I had no recognized experience with the Holy Spirit. But I sought to know God if there was one, and He revealed Himself to me.

I know that I am nothing special. It's by His grace that I have any knowledge. and I know the promises that anyone who seeks will find. Which is why I invite and encourage you to seek Him out. Experiment on the word. Study the words of Christ. Apply them in your life the best you can and go to the Father with sincerity and humility and I promise you that you will learn for yourself that Jesus is the Christ. You will learn from the Spirit that He rose from the dead.

Please experiment on the Word. Pray to the Father and learn for yourself. You will experience love, joy, peace, and power in your life that you could never even imagine if you do. You could fulfill the purpose of your creation. Or you could do nothing. You can assume that no one can ever learn anything from God. You can assume that somehow makes you more enlightened than the rest of us and miss out on countless blessings that could have been yours. The choice is up to you.