Dems at it again

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  1. RetiredGySgt
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    The democrats want to force everyone into socialized medicine and in a step to try to bring that closer to reality tried to cut the Medicare program that allows Medicare recipients the right to chose their own doctors. Then when the Senate Republicans prevented the cuts, the Dems claimed it was a dire problem caused by the Republicans.

    Remind us again you liberals how it was bad for Republicans to when they ran Congress to supposedly not compromise but its GOOD when Democrats won't compromise.

    Medicare fees to doctors fall Tuesday - Yahoo! News
     
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    When Medicare and Medicaid were signed into law by President Johnson in 1965, it fundamentally changed healthcare in the United States forever. By 1972 when all disabled persons became eligible for coverage, private insurance had made practical adjustments and only the very wealthy among those eligible for the government programs could afford to opt out of them.

    I believe that these government programs, for various reasons, provided incentive to stress the healthcare system and this is resulted in a good amount of the excessive increase in healthcare costs. But millions are now 'trapped' in the system and reversing the negatives has far reaching consequences as is illustrated in the linked article.

    Surely this at least gives pause for thought when we discuss putting all the rest of the healthcare system under government authority. This certainly should be a warning shot across the bow.
     
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    Perceptive insight regarding the cost of health care, FoxFyre. You're spot on accurate in noting that medicade/medicare were the engines which kicked over the insane rise in health care costs.

    I wish I could convince my more liberally minded chums that simply throwing money at the problem (in the form of single payer universal health care insurance) will actually make the rising cost of health care even worse in the medium run.
     
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    I totally love threads like this where the person who started it and is whining about socialized medicine gets all his medical needs paid for by the government.

    lol... too funny.
     
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    You're missing the point, Jillian. The point is that once the government forces us into a system, we are often no longer free to make choices for ourselves and become at the mercy of whatever the government wants to do for us or to us. And that is the scary part about all of this.
     
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    nothing scary about it any more than RGS getting all of his healthcare paid for, but saying others should have to go bankrupt to pay for their medical care.... and the politicians who made sure that THEY had health coverage but won't give it to constitutents.

    Fact: as of about two years ago, there were 5 million more people who were uninsured than in 2000.

    Fact: 50% of bankruptcies are the result of uninsured medical expenses.

    Fact: 3 percent of the 8.3 million identity-theft victims in 2005 reported that thieves used their information to get medical care or supplies. http://www.nypost.com/seven/06292008/news/regionalnews/this_id_thefts_inconceivable_117777.htm


    Fact: Enormous percentages of poor people use hospital emergency rooms as primary care physicians b/c they can't afford to go to doctors...that means a) when they finally get to the doctor, treatment is much more expensive; and b) THEY aren't paying for it... we are.

    Fact: Hospitals charge more to uninsured people for health care than they do people WITH insurance.

    Fact: We can't compete in the auto industry because every other industrialized nation provides health coverage for their population so companies don't have to add $2,000 to the cost of each auto for health insurance expenses.

    Now THOSE things are what's scary.

    Guess it's just what resonates for you.
     
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    You missed the ntire point, as usual. The democrats want to enslave whom ever qualifies into only seeing doctors THEY ( Te Government) approves of.

    Last I checked everything run BY the Government always costs MORE not less. It breeds laziness and incompetence when the Government runs the business. But go on and on about how letting the Government run health care will somehow be good this time.

    Most of my medical is paid for by the VA/Tricare because I EARNED it. The rest is paid by Medicare because I paid into the system and being disabled I am entitled to draw from the system.

    Let me know when you consider any other employer paid healthcare programs to be socialized Medicine.
     
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    Yeah... totally discount that a retired military person EARNED them with employment/years of actual service :cuckoo: :disbelief:


    And you also forgot that FACT: The government is not your mommy.

    You are the only person personally responsible for you and your family. You want something, earn it. You want better health coverage, do what it takes to advance your career into a job and employer that has good benefits.
     
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    Because it's so good for a democratic society to have an underclass.... particularly one that's been fostered, at least in part, by the insurance lobby and the AMA....

    good on!
     
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    It is good for a freedom based society that is supposedly run by a democratic REPUBLIC to have freedom and personal responsibility at the forefront instead of a total control socialist system

    Again... you are the only one responsible for you... if you are able bodied/able minded, you have what you need to get what you need and want.... it is just a matter of whether you WANT to do what it takes.... unfortunately, the Robin hood liberals think the world owes them, and all those like them, something for nothing
     

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