Dems at it again

[AllieBaba]

Lol.

 

[Ravi]

Of course said "willing" person will go to jail (do not pass GO; do not collect $200) if they DON'T pay .....

No rules in the military?

 

[CSM]

No rules in the military?

Find the post where I said that?

By the way, I was merely pointing out that your willing taxpayer has a choice. Though when a choice is made under duress, one has to wonder about the "willing" part of your assertion. I suppose it is conceivable that there are some who would pay taxes even if they were not threatened with jail.

 

[Foxfyre]

I wish I could willingly pay to the government the amount for which I think I get my money's worth. How about we see if we can get that kind of system set up?

And I would sure like to be a fly on the wall watching those folks who so willingly pay into the system because they are Americans to see if they would write out those checks if it was voluntary.

However, I do believe the government quite readily accepts donations from all citizens who honestly do believe they haven't paid enough and choose to write out an extra check to the government. I really recommend that to folks who think we should all willingly pay more.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No rules in the military?

Look you stupid shit. A military retiree EARNED the retirement by serving x number of years, surrendering rights and freedoms and agreeing to, if called on, DIE for their Country. Claiming it is a hand out, or socialism or not "doing for themselves" is the most idiotic comment I ever here.

You are aware I hope that people can get social security payments without having paid much at all or in some case anything at all, into the system? If they have paid then it is fine and dandy they collect when allowed by the system. But it is not BY choice people participate in SS. Nor do people CHOSE freely to pay taxes.

Using your logic ANY retirement system is just a freebie and no one earned the money they get in retirement benefits from those programs. Or are you going to now claim JUST Military retirement is unearned?

 

[Ravi]

Find the post where I said that?

By the way, I was merely pointing out that your willing taxpayer has a choice. Though when a choice is made under duress, one has to wonder about the "willing" part of your assertion. I suppose it is conceivable that there are some who would pay taxes even if they were not threatened with jail.

You didn't say it. I'm just pointing out we all make choices...to be in the military, to be an American...and both choices have rules.

I think I just feel uncomfortable with the attitude that the military is somehow better than everyone else. Not that you've claimed that, it's just something I see often on message boards.

 

[Ravi]

I wish I could willingly pay to the government the amount for which I think I get my money's worth. How about we see if we can get that kind of system set up?

And I would sure like to be a fly on the wall watching those folks who so willingly pay into the system because they are good citizens to see if they would write out those checks if it was voluntary.

However, I do believe the government quite readily accepts donations from all citizens who honestly do believe they haven't paid enough and choose to write out an extra check to the government. I really recommend that to folks who think we should all willingly pay more.

It would be nice if we only paid for things we approved of, but it isn't feasible.

 

[Ravi]

Look you stupid shit. A military retiree EARNED the retirement by serving x number of years, surrendering rights and freedoms and agreeing to, if called on, DIE for their Country. Claiming it is a hand out, or socialism or not "doing for themselves" is the most idiotic comment I ever here.

You are aware I hope that people can get social security payments without having paid much at all or in some case anything at all, into the system? If they have paid then it is fine and dandy they collect when allowed by the system. But it is not BY choice people participate in SS. Nor do people CHOSE freely to pay taxes.

Using your logic ANY retirement system is just a freebie and no one earned the money they get in retirement benefits from those programs. Or are you going to now claim JUST Military retirement is unearned?

And people can join the military, never see combat, and get bennies. What is your point? Being in the military is a CHOICE. Get back to me when it becomes mandatory.

 

[CSM]

You didn't say it. I'm just pointing out we all make choices...to be in the military, to be an American...and both choices have rules.

I think I just feel uncomfortable with the attitude that the military is somehow better than everyone else. Not that you've claimed that, it's just something I see often on message boards.

Exactly. The difference in this case is that anyone who signs an elistment contract does so willingly ... truly willingly. You dont go to jail if you don't sign that contract.

Get a job and refuse to pay taxes and see where that gets you. Trying to "compare the rules" is a stretch at best.

 

[CSM]

And people can join the military, never see combat, and get bennies. What is your point? Being in the military is a CHOICE. Get back to me when it becomes mandatory.

You made the statement...how about you get back to us when paying taxes becomes voluntary. Just in case you forgot what you posted:

"I've heard tell of people that willingly pay into the social security, medicare, and income tax fund. It's called being an American."

Today 05:26 PM

 

[Ravi]

Exactly. The difference in this case is that anyone who signs an elistment contract does so willingly ... truly willingly. You dont go to jail if you don't sign that contract.

Get a job and refuse to pay taxes and see where that gets you. Trying to "compare the rules" is a stretch at best.

Okay. It is true you don't sign a contract to be an American. But still, it does come with responsibilities.

 

[Ravi]

You made the statement...how about you get back to us when paying taxes becomes voluntary. Just in case you forgot what you posted:

"I've heard tell of people that willingly pay into the social security, medicare, and income tax fund. It's called being an American."

Today 05:26 PM

I didn't say everyone.

We could, as a people, stop paying taxes. Why do you think we haven't?

 

[Foxfyre]

It would be nice if we only paid for things we approved of, but it isn't feasible.

That isn't the point. The post I was responding to suggested there are people who pay willingly because that is what an American does or whatever. I just strongly question how much any of us would pay if it was voluntary, and I get really weary of those who proclaim their compassion for others so long as the rest of us are required to pay for it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And people can join the military, never see combat, and get bennies. What is your point? Being in the military is a CHOICE. Get back to me when it becomes mandatory.

It is a CONTRACT you RETARD. You have to meet the requirements set forth by the military to EARN a retirement. Just like in a civilian job you have to EARN a retirement from what ever business or career you chose that has a retirement plan.

You are clueless.

 

[CSM]

I didn't say everyone.

We could, as a people, stop paying taxes. Why do you think we haven't?

Yes we could....perhaps that little "jail sentence" thingy has a bearing on it.

Personally, I think we as taxpayers should get to select where we want our personal tax remittance spent. A list of selections would be nice. All mine would go to those military folks who signed a contract WILLINGLY. Not one penny of mine would go to medicare, social security, welfare, road construction or maintenance or any of that crap. I might select one of the intel agencies every five years or so.

 

[Foxfyre]

And people can join the military, never see combat, and get bennies. What is your point? Being in the military is a CHOICE. Get back to me when it becomes mandatory.

The Constitution mandates a national defense and thank God there are dedicated and capable young men and women willing to put their lives on the line to provide it. It doesn't matter whether they actually see combat; they are willing to see combat when they commit to the service. And for their service which allows the rest of us to pursue other vocations, they are paid considerably less in salary and benefits than are people in comparable jobs in the private sector. The very least their country owes them is the benefits that are included as part of the contract for services rendered.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Constitution mandates a national defense and thank God there are dedicated and capable young men and women willing to put their lives on the line to provide it. It doesn't matter whether they actually see combat; they are willing to see combat when they commit to the service. And for their service which allows the rest of us to pursue other vocations, they are paid considerably less in salary and benefits than are people in comparable jobs in the private sector. The very least their country owes them is the benefits that are included as part of the contract for services rendered.

Don't give her facts, she will just ignore them. Leftoids hate the military and have so many ignorant concepts about it, it simply boogles the mind.

Some one commits 20 YEARS of their life to a job with low pay, bad benefits and VERY crappy work conditions and hours, never knowing when they will risk their life in a training exersize , a routine deployment , Brush fire conflict or a War. More military people die every year due to training then die in Iraq in a year. The suicide rate is higher as well even with no war.

Further you can invest your life in this career and the Government can decide, like it did in the 90's, they just don't need you anymore and you get nothing at all. Or they can decide you do not meet the requirements when you try to reenlist. Which you generally have to do every 4 years. Or even better they can break you physically or mentally and decide you are not broken enough to rate retirement at all but you are to broken to stay in.

I hear this shit from a lot of Liberal pinheads that have not one clue about the military. And it pisses me off to no end when I hear it.

My Dad spent 22 years in the Army, served two tours in Viet Nam. He got a wound there that eventually cost him BOTH his legs long after he had retired. Pinheads PISS me off.

 

[Ravi]

Yes we could....perhaps that little "jail sentence" thingy has a bearing on it.

Personally, I think we as taxpayers should get to select where we want our personal tax remittance spent. A list of selections would be nice. All mine would go to those military folks who signed a contract WILLINGLY. Not one penny of mine would go to medicare, social security, welfare, road construction or maintenance or any of that crap. I might select one of the intel agencies every five years or so.

How about firefighters, police, and people that bitch and moan and keep our civil rights on the agenda...they all serve the country as well, and willingly. In fact, just by contributing to the economy we all serve the country, no?

I would be happy to change some things, like making people that get welfare earn it somehow. But for everyone else, I'm not too thrilled with deciding who is more deserving.

 

[Ravi]

The Constitution mandates a national defense and thank God there are dedicated and capable young men and women willing to put their lives on the line to provide it. It doesn't matter whether they actually see combat; they are willing to see combat when they commit to the service. And for their service which allows the rest of us to pursue other vocations, they are paid considerably less in salary and benefits than are people in comparable jobs in the private sector. The very least their country owes them is the benefits that are included as part of the contract for services rendered.

I don't disagree with that. I disagree with RGS's idea that somehow one group of Americans are more deserving of medical care.

 

[CSM]

How about firefighters, police, and people that bitch and moan and keep our civil rights on the agenda...they all serve the country as well, and willingly. In fact, just by contributing to the economy we all serve the country, no?

I would be happy to change some things, like making people that get welfare earn it somehow. But for everyone else, I'm not too thrilled with deciding who is more deserving.

Nope, no police, no firefighters, no civil rights. Screw the economy; you can't survive without all that stuff...too bad...I guess yer gonna die. Survival of the fittest!