Democrats still ignoring people who could have helped them defeat Trump, Ohio party leaders say

[Mac1958]

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio —

The dinner was supposed to be a Democratic strategy session for an upcoming county election. But the mood grew darker as conversation turned toward the future of their party.

One by one, members of the Mahoning County Democratic Party poured out their frustrations: Just months after the presidential election, they felt folks like them were being forgotten - again. The party's comeback strategy was being steered by protesters, consultants and elitists from New York and California who have no idea what voters in middle America care about.

But worst of all, they said, the party hadn't learned from what they saw as the biggest message from November's election: Democrats have fallen completely out of touch with America's blue-collar voters.

"It doesn't matter how much we scream and holler about jobs and the economy at the local level. Our national leaders still don't get it," said David Betras, the county's party chair. "While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they're still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into."

Others around the restaurant table nodded.

Since the election, Democrats have been swallowed up in an unending cycle of outrage and issues that have little to do with the nation's working class, they said, such as women's marches, fighting Trump's refugee ban and advocating for transgender bathroom rights.

..."Every time Trump so much as sneezes, we as a party are setting our hair on fire and running around like it's the end of the world," Betras said as the dinner wound down. "Most people around here don't care. They are living paycheck to paycheck, just trying to hold on. After everything that's happened, if we as a party still aren't speaking to them, then we are never getting them back."
Democrats still ignoring people who could have helped them defeat Trump...

You have to be flat out living in denial not to see this.

Well, that's what it is: Denial. Look at the comments from them on this board.

They refuse to believe their own behaviors and bigotries had anything to do with their loss, and so those behaviors haven't changed even a bit.
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Not only that, they figure the best way back to power is to double down on their attacks on anything that doesn't fit their worldview.

So more balkanization, more races to the top of the victim pole, and more concentrating on asinine social issues instead of the harder things that have to be done.

I've tried quite a bit to understand the behavior. And after watching it, and listening to what they actually say, I've come to the conclusion that they're not actually interested in working to improve anything. They're waiting for demographics to take over and they figure they'll have what they want. To hell with the heavy lifting of improving anything.
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[martybegan]

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio —

The dinner was supposed to be a Democratic strategy session for an upcoming county election. But the mood grew darker as conversation turned toward the future of their party.

One by one, members of the Mahoning County Democratic Party poured out their frustrations: Just months after the presidential election, they felt folks like them were being forgotten - again. The party's comeback strategy was being steered by protesters, consultants and elitists from New York and California who have no idea what voters in middle America care about.

But worst of all, they said, the party hadn't learned from what they saw as the biggest message from November's election: Democrats have fallen completely out of touch with America's blue-collar voters.

"It doesn't matter how much we scream and holler about jobs and the economy at the local level. Our national leaders still don't get it," said David Betras, the county's party chair. "While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they're still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into."

Others around the restaurant table nodded.

Since the election, Democrats have been swallowed up in an unending cycle of outrage and issues that have little to do with the nation's working class, they said, such as women's marches, fighting Trump's refugee ban and advocating for transgender bathroom rights.

..."Every time Trump so much as sneezes, we as a party are setting our hair on fire and running around like it's the end of the world," Betras said as the dinner wound down. "Most people around here don't care. They are living paycheck to paycheck, just trying to hold on. After everything that's happened, if we as a party still aren't speaking to them, then we are never getting them back."
Democrats still ignoring people who could have helped them defeat Trump...

You have to be flat out living in denial not to see this.

Well, that's what it is: Denial. Look at the comments from them on this board.

They refuse to believe their own behaviors and bigotries had anything to do with their loss, and so those behaviors haven't changed even a bit.
.

Not only that, they figure the best way back to power is to double down on their attacks on anything that doesn't fit their worldview.

So more balkanization, more races to the top of the victim pole, and more concentrating on asinine social issues instead of the harder things that have to be done.

I've tried quite a bit to understand the behavior. And after watching it, and listening to what they actually say, I've come to the conclusion that they're not actually interested in working to improve anything. They're waiting for demographics to take over and they figure they'll have what they want. To hell with the heavy lifting of improving anything.
.

They do want to improve things, but only for people like them, and only the way they want it to be improved. By getting into identity politics progressives have created a host of tribes each trying to out pace each other in the pity game, because they see more pity as more power.

 

[whitehall]

"Could have helped them defeat Trump"? If the democrat party was a person, he/she would be in therapy for PTSD after the last election. When are democrats going to come to grips with reality and deal with the present instead of mooning over what coulda been?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Not rich. Middle class is quite enough. The poor of all colors voted Democratic.

Trump did better with minorities than McCain and Romney.

And Bush Jr.

No, Bush 43 did very well with minorities compared to most Republican candidates. No one since has done as well as him.

 

[Correll]

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio —

The dinner was supposed to be a Democratic strategy session for an upcoming county election. But the mood grew darker as conversation turned toward the future of their party.

One by one, members of the Mahoning County Democratic Party poured out their frustrations: Just months after the presidential election, they felt folks like them were being forgotten - again. The party's comeback strategy was being steered by protesters, consultants and elitists from New York and California who have no idea what voters in middle America care about.

But worst of all, they said, the party hadn't learned from what they saw as the biggest message from November's election: Democrats have fallen completely out of touch with America's blue-collar voters.

"It doesn't matter how much we scream and holler about jobs and the economy at the local level. Our national leaders still don't get it," said David Betras, the county's party chair. "While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they're still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into."

Others around the restaurant table nodded.

Since the election, Democrats have been swallowed up in an unending cycle of outrage and issues that have little to do with the nation's working class, they said, such as women's marches, fighting Trump's refugee ban and advocating for transgender bathroom rights.

..."Every time Trump so much as sneezes, we as a party are setting our hair on fire and running around like it's the end of the world," Betras said as the dinner wound down. "Most people around here don't care. They are living paycheck to paycheck, just trying to hold on. After everything that's happened, if we as a party still aren't speaking to them, then we are never getting them back."
Democrats still ignoring people who could have helped them defeat Trump...

You have to be flat out living in denial not to see this.

THe dems don't WANT to address those blue collar concerns. They consider those concerns invalid.

They want to keep pandering to their bases, ie libs and minorities.

Demographic shift will give them what they want, and they can win and ignore the interests of the blue collar workers forever.

That's the plan. The sooner these fools wake up to it, the better.

 

[ptbw forever]

Not rich. Middle class is quite enough. The poor of all colors voted Democratic.

Trump did better with minorities than McCain and Romney.

And Bush Jr.

No, Bush 43 did very well with minorities compared to most Republican candidates. No one since has done as well as him.

Trump got more votes from every "minority" group than Bush 43.

If that weren't true, Trump would have lost every swing state except Ohio and Iowa.

2004 America was vastly different demographically than 2016 America was.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Trump got more votes from every "minority" group than Bush 43.

If that weren't true, Trump would have lost every swing state except Ohio and Iowa.

2004 America was vastly different demographically than 2016 America was.

Bush won 44% of Hispanic voters, the highest any Republican presidential candidate has ever gotten. Trump got 29%. Bush won 11% of blacks; Trump got 6%.

Trump won because of Reagan Democrats.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio —

The dinner was supposed to be a Democratic strategy session for an upcoming county election. But the mood grew darker as conversation turned toward the future of their party.

One by one, members of the Mahoning County Democratic Party poured out their frustrations: Just months after the presidential election, they felt folks like them were being forgotten - again. The party's comeback strategy was being steered by protesters, consultants and elitists from New York and California who have no idea what voters in middle America care about.

But worst of all, they said, the party hadn't learned from what they saw as the biggest message from November's election: Democrats have fallen completely out of touch with America's blue-collar voters.

"It doesn't matter how much we scream and holler about jobs and the economy at the local level. Our national leaders still don't get it," said David Betras, the county's party chair. "While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they're still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into."

Others around the restaurant table nodded.

Since the election, Democrats have been swallowed up in an unending cycle of outrage and issues that have little to do with the nation's working class, they said, such as women's marches, fighting Trump's refugee ban and advocating for transgender bathroom rights.

..."Every time Trump so much as sneezes, we as a party are setting our hair on fire and running around like it's the end of the world," Betras said as the dinner wound down. "Most people around here don't care. They are living paycheck to paycheck, just trying to hold on. After everything that's happened, if we as a party still aren't speaking to them, then we are never getting them back."
Democrats still ignoring people who could have helped them defeat Trump...

You have to be flat out living in denial not to see this.

THe dems don't WANT to address those blue collar concerns. They consider those concerns invalid.

They want to keep pandering to their bases, ie libs and minorities.

Demographic shift will give them what they want, and they can win and ignore the interests of the blue collar workers forever.

That's the plan. The sooner these fools wake up to it, the better.

That's assuming that all minority groups will pledge their support for the Democrat party as blacks have the last couple of decades. But other minority groups are more informed about politics. Morality and religion wise, Hispanics have more in common with Republicans than Democrats. Yes, right now they vote Democrat, but that doesn't mean it's permanent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Again, where do you think these trannies were going to the bathroom before?

To their respective bathrooms. Schools didn't allow weirdos into the girls restroom.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How about you leftist leeches pay for that stuff yourself? Why do you leftists always want other people's money to do things in life? Oh, that's right, you've been trained that way.

Yes, DumBama expanded food stamps. Look up his so-called Stimulus Bill, also known as the Pork Bill.

You mean the Stimulus bill that saved the construction industry and the Auto industry?

Food Stamps expanded because the One Percenters took advantage of the recession to pay people less. Most people on food stamps have jobs.

In your dreams. From the government website itself:

ARRA
American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009

Last Published: 03/28/2016
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program

SNAP will use an estimated $45.2 billion of Recovery Act funds to increase benefits to serve the growing number of families seeking assistance. Almost all (97 %) of SNAP benefits are redeemed in grocery stores and at farmers' markets within 30 days, providing an economic stimulus and helping low-income families purchase food. Starting in April 2009, most four-person households began receiving an $80 increase in their monthly SNAP allotment to spend on groceries. These ARRA-funded benefit increases will end on Oct. 31, 2013.

The Recovery Act also provided nearly $300 million to States for SNAP administrative expenses in FY 2009 and 2010.

SNAP ARRA Plan Update (June 18, 2010)

The ARRA investments in SNAP have been implemented as planned with benefit increases going out on April 1, 2009 and continuing each month, and administrative dollars being spent by SNAP State agencies to address the significant caseload increases.

American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009 | Food and Nutrition Service

 

[Wyatt earp]

The working class voted Democrat. It was richer white suburbinites who voted for Trump in droves.

"Economic uncertainty?". Horseshit. It was the racism, stupid. But we're not allowed to talk about that, as conservative PC speech codes forbid it.

Jesus you will never stop being a propaganda machine will you?


Keep thinking that way and keep on. Losing.


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[JoeB131]

Not only that, they figure the best way back to power is to double down on their attacks on anything that doesn't fit their worldview.

So more balkanization, more races to the top of the victim pole, and more concentrating on asinine social issues instead of the harder things that have to be done.

Yawn.... Again, Trump got less of the vote than Romney did. Less white people voted for him than voted for Romney. What killed Mrs. Clinton was all the shitheads who voted for third party turds in PA, WI and MI instead of her because they thought she had it in the bag.

So even if Billy-Bob and Cleetus don't dun-der figure out they were had, these people have already realized their mistake.

 

[JoeB131]

In your dreams. From the government website itself:

That had nothing to do with what I said. Go back and read what I said and then address that. Let us know if you need help with the big words.

 

[JoeB131]

They do want to improve things, but only for people like them, and only the way they want it to be improved. By getting into identity politics progressives have created a host of tribes each trying to out pace each other in the pity game, because they see more pity as more power.

Guy, what's created identity politics is the racism that existed long before Obama came on the scene.

Or do you just want to pretend THIS shit never happened.

I've tried quite a bit to understand the behavior. And after watching it, and listening to what they actually say, I've come to the conclusion that they're not actually interested in working to improve anything. They're waiting for demographics to take over and they figure they'll have what they want. To hell with the heavy lifting of improving anything.

Why try to improve thing when no one thanks you for it.

Hey, the Democrats DID improve things when Clinton took over. We went from 9% unemployment under Poppy Bush to 4% unemployment under Clinton, the stock market reached record levels, things generally got better for working people. But enough stupid white people voted for Baby Bush over Gore to let the SCOTUS steal the election in 2000, and by 2008, we were all sitting with busted 401K's and underwater mortgages.

Then things DID improve under Obama. We got unemployment down to 4.7% and record stock market. And then enough of the dumb white trash in the Rust belt voted for Trump because they believed the Russian Hackers.

The heavy lifting was done. And the end result was that all the dumb white trash in the Rust belt felt secure enough to vote their racism, homophobia and misogyny again.

And after Trump crashes the economy, those same white people will vote for the Democrat, and when things get better after the heavy lifting has been done, they'll probably vote for whatever mutant the GOP puts up who will tell them the Mexicans are coming to fuck their daughters.

Just hopefully by then, demographics will have taken over, and we can just ignore these idiots.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They do want to improve things, but only for people like them, and only the way they want it to be improved. By getting into identity politics progressives have created a host of tribes each trying to out pace each other in the pity game, because they see more pity as more power.

Guy, what's created identity politics is the racism that existed long before Obama came on the scene.

Or do you just want to pretend THIS shit never happened.

I've tried quite a bit to understand the behavior. And after watching it, and listening to what they actually say, I've come to the conclusion that they're not actually interested in working to improve anything. They're waiting for demographics to take over and they figure they'll have what they want. To hell with the heavy lifting of improving anything.

Why try to improve thing when no one thanks you for it.

Hey, the Democrats DID improve things when Clinton took over. We went from 9% unemployment under Poppy Bush to 4% unemployment under Clinton, the stock market reached record levels, things generally got better for working people. But enough stupid white people voted for Baby Bush over Gore to let the SCOTUS steal the election in 2000, and by 2008, we were all sitting with busted 401K's and underwater mortgages.

Then things DID improve under Obama. We got unemployment down to 4.7% and record stock market. And then enough of the dumb white trash in the Rust belt voted for Trump because they believed the Russian Hackers.

The heavy lifting was done. And the end result was that all the dumb white trash in the Rust belt felt secure enough to vote their racism, homophobia and misogyny again.

And after Trump crashes the economy, those same white people will vote for the Democrat, and when things get better after the heavy lifting has been done, they'll probably vote for whatever mutant the GOP puts up who will tell them the Mexicans are coming to fuck their daughters.

Just hopefully by then, demographics will have taken over, and we can just ignore these idiots.

Or maybe people just got sick of commies turning every incident, event, and discussion into a race platform. It was old 20 years ago and it's old today. Or maybe people are sick of fellow Americans talk about how great other countries are with strict gun laws, socialized medical care and cradle to grave government, yet they never move to these wonderful places.

Maybe we actually like our country and all it's faults and don't want to turn it into Europe or Canada. There is only one USA, and if we allow the Socialists to destroy this country, there won't be another USA to run to.


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[ptbw forever]

Trump got more votes from every "minority" group than Bush 43.

If that weren't true, Trump would have lost every swing state except Ohio and Iowa.

2004 America was vastly different demographically than 2016 America was.

Bush won 44% of Hispanic voters, the highest any Republican presidential candidate has ever gotten. Trump got 29%. Bush won 11% of blacks; Trump got 6%.

Trump won because of Reagan Democrats.

29% of Hispanics in 2016 is much more than 44% of Hispanics in 2004(look it up)

Trump also won more than 6% of blacks(6% was the projected number when Trump was expected to lose the election).

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio —

The dinner was supposed to be a Democratic strategy session for an upcoming county election. But the mood grew darker as conversation turned toward the future of their party.

One by one, members of the Mahoning County Democratic Party poured out their frustrations: Just months after the presidential election, they felt folks like them were being forgotten - again. The party's comeback strategy was being steered by protesters, consultants and elitists from New York and California who have no idea what voters in middle America care about.

But worst of all, they said, the party hadn't learned from what they saw as the biggest message from November's election: Democrats have fallen completely out of touch with America's blue-collar voters.

"It doesn't matter how much we scream and holler about jobs and the economy at the local level. Our national leaders still don't get it," said David Betras, the county's party chair. "While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they're still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into."

Others around the restaurant table nodded.

Since the election, Democrats have been swallowed up in an unending cycle of outrage and issues that have little to do with the nation's working class, they said, such as women's marches, fighting Trump's refugee ban and advocating for transgender bathroom rights.

..."Every time Trump so much as sneezes, we as a party are setting our hair on fire and running around like it's the end of the world," Betras said as the dinner wound down. "Most people around here don't care. They are living paycheck to paycheck, just trying to hold on. After everything that's happened, if we as a party still aren't speaking to them, then we are never getting them back."
Democrats still ignoring people who could have helped them defeat Trump...

You have to be flat out living in denial not to see this.

Their party has been hijacked by Progressives.

 

[Mac1958]

Liberals run the Dem party and their #1 priority is hatred of the very corporations and businesses that create jobs. Most of their policies are aimed to destroy business. Tax increases, regulations, waging war on industries they hate like coal.

Yep, and amazingly, they'll deny it.

The pinnacle of this was, of course, Obama's stunning "you didn't build that" speech.

The "progressives" have taken over the party, and you can see the hatred they hold for the private sector all over USMB.
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[martybegan]

Not only that, they figure the best way back to power is to double down on their attacks on anything that doesn't fit their worldview.

So more balkanization, more races to the top of the victim pole, and more concentrating on asinine social issues instead of the harder things that have to be done.

Yawn.... Again, Trump got less of the vote than Romney did. Less white people voted for him than voted for Romney. What killed Mrs. Clinton was all the shitheads who voted for third party turds in PA, WI and MI instead of her because they thought she had it in the bag.

So even if Billy-Bob and Cleetus don't dun-der figure out they were had, these people have already realized their mistake.

You have any data to back this up, bitch tits?

 

[martybegan]

They do want to improve things, but only for people like them, and only the way they want it to be improved. By getting into identity politics progressives have created a host of tribes each trying to out pace each other in the pity game, because they see more pity as more power.

Guy, what's created identity politics is the racism that existed long before Obama came on the scene.

Or do you just want to pretend THIS shit never happened.

I've tried quite a bit to understand the behavior. And after watching it, and listening to what they actually say, I've come to the conclusion that they're not actually interested in working to improve anything. They're waiting for demographics to take over and they figure they'll have what they want. To hell with the heavy lifting of improving anything.

Why try to improve thing when no one thanks you for it.

Hey, the Democrats DID improve things when Clinton took over. We went from 9% unemployment under Poppy Bush to 4% unemployment under Clinton, the stock market reached record levels, things generally got better for working people. But enough stupid white people voted for Baby Bush over Gore to let the SCOTUS steal the election in 2000, and by 2008, we were all sitting with busted 401K's and underwater mortgages.

Then things DID improve under Obama. We got unemployment down to 4.7% and record stock market. And then enough of the dumb white trash in the Rust belt voted for Trump because they believed the Russian Hackers.

The heavy lifting was done. And the end result was that all the dumb white trash in the Rust belt felt secure enough to vote their racism, homophobia and misogyny again.

And after Trump crashes the economy, those same white people will vote for the Democrat, and when things get better after the heavy lifting has been done, they'll probably vote for whatever mutant the GOP puts up who will tell them the Mexicans are coming to fuck their daughters.

Just hopefully by then, demographics will have taken over, and we can just ignore these idiots.

That happened because of identity politics as well, just in reverse. The fight to get rid of Jim Crow was a fight for equality. The current snowflakes aren't fighting for equality, they are fighting for an undeserved advantage based on who feels more "oppressed"