Democrats and ATF Want to Stop 5.56 Ammo

[Divine Wind]

I will never pretend to know what goes through a progressives head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. They cannot tolerate anybody disagree with them… I guess it's their control freak nature

I will never pretend to know what goes through a 'conservatives' head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. For 8 years they believed the gun industry and like the scared rabbits they were bought ammo and guns because they believed Obama was coming to take away their guns and lock them in FEMA camps. They not only can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, they believe anything that they are told as long as it includes the implication: progressives bad'

The Shit stain that is Obama tried to do plenty, even with the fucking crocodile tears and all. His presidency brought the progressive nutters out of the woodwork to do most of the mass shootings during his terms.

Obama executive action: New gun control orders - CNNPolitics.com

How many of your shit stained guns did President Obama seize? Or try to seize?

I will never pretend to know what goes through a 'conservatives' head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. For 8 years they believed the gun industry and like the scared rabbits they were bought ammo and guns because they believed Obama was coming to take away their guns and lock them in FEMA camps. They not only can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, they believe anything that they are told as long as it includes the implication: progressives bad'

If his judges on the 4th Circuit Court of appeals ....

So how many of your guns were seized? Or even attempted to be seized? 10? 5? 1?

LOL

You gullible idiots made the gun industry rich.

Sorry, while no guns were actually seized, to deny that was on the Left's anti-gun agenda is to deny reality. As many anti-gun LWers both on this forum and in Congress have attested, if they could ban all guns, they would. Since they can't do this, the next best thing is an incremental process of banning forms of firearms, and in this case ammunition, then slowly work toward, as Hillary Clinton once claimed, an Australian-style of gun-control which means the compulsory turning-in of firearms AKA confiscation.

Hillary: Australia-style gun control ‘worth looking at’
Hillary Clinton says a gun buyback program similar to the one Australia implemented in 1996 is “worth considering” in the United States.

“I don’t know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australia example is worth looking at,” Clinton said at a New Hampshire town hall on Friday.

The Democratic presidential front-runner said data indicate the Australian program reduced the number of firearms in circulation by paying citizens to turn over their weapons.

“The Australian government, as part of trying to clamp down on the availability of automatic weapons, offered a good price for buying hundreds of thousands of guns, and then they basically clamped down going forward in terms of having, you know, more of a background-check approach, more of a permitting approach,” Clinton said.

The Australian government purchased more than 650,000 guns from citizens in the compulsory 1996 buyback program.

 

[Divine Wind]

and bullshit like this is why we cant have common sense laws.

armor piercing my ass.

Unfortunately, agreed. The anti-gun Left has long proven 1) give them an inch on gun control and they'll reach for a mile and 2) what is "common sense" to the anti-gun Left is not "common sense" to the rest of American voters.

 

[PredFan]

Yes hunters need their armor piercing ammo for those really tough does. Why not spent uranium? You never know when you'll come across some buck who just had his body clad in titanium plates. And everyone knows it's every American's god given right to cut a buck in half with one shot.

Gun lickers have just lost their shit.

They aren't armor piercing you empty headed idiot.

Well, maybe they won't pierce an Abrams Tank, but bet they go through a police vest like butter. And it is White crazies that the police fear the most.

Sovereign Citizens Are America’s Top Cop-Killers

Sovereign Citizens Are America’s Top Cop-Killers
Just last week an anti-government extremist ambushed and killed a police officer after setting his own house on fire. One ex-police chief is telling local law enforcement how to spot the greatest threat to their lives.

First of all, your link doesn't say what you claim, and it's the Daily Beast, a long time fake news site.

Well then, the OP can be dismissed for linking to judicial watch, a notorious fake news site.

It's not but hey, if you dismiss him and his thread, it's time for you to leave it.

 

[Divine Wind]

Well then, the OP can be dismissed for linking to judicial watch, a notorious fake news site.

Disagreed. Do you consider all websites right of your views to be "fake news"? Judicial Watch leans right, but it's certainly not "InfoWars" much less "fake news". Claiming such false information only widens the divide, not closes it.

Judicial Watch - Wikipedia
Judicial Watch is an American conservative non-partisan[1] watchdog group that files Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits to investigate alleged misconduct by government officials....The bulk of Judicial Watch's cases involve transparency in government and government integrity, and the organization has taken positions on a wide range of issues.[39] Judicial Watch is conservative and avows a belief in limited government, individual liberty, the free market, traditional values, and a strong national defense. However, Judicial Watch recognizes that corruption is nonpartisan and nonideological.[40]

According to David Corn, Judicial Watch uses litigation as its primary tool.

 

[Rustic]

I will never pretend to know what goes through a 'conservatives' head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. For 8 years they believed the gun industry and like the scared rabbits they were bought ammo and guns because they believed Obama was coming to take away their guns and lock them in FEMA camps. They not only can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, they believe anything that they are told as long as it includes the implication: progressives bad'

The Shit stain that is Obama tried to do plenty, even with the fucking crocodile tears and all. His presidency brought the progressive nutters out of the woodwork to do most of the mass shootings during his terms.

Obama executive action: New gun control orders - CNNPolitics.com

How many of your shit stained guns did President Obama seize? Or try to seize?

I will never pretend to know what goes through a 'conservatives' head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. For 8 years they believed the gun industry and like the scared rabbits they were bought ammo and guns because they believed Obama was coming to take away their guns and lock them in FEMA camps. They not only can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, they believe anything that they are told as long as it includes the implication: progressives bad'

If his judges on the 4th Circuit Court of appeals ....

So how many of your guns were seized? Or even attempted to be seized? 10? 5? 1?

LOL

You gullible idiots made the gun industry rich.

Sorry, while no guns were actually seized, to deny that was on the Left's anti-gun agenda is to deny reality. As many anti-gun LWers both on this forum and in Congress have attested, if they could ban all guns, they would. Since they can't do this, the next best thing is an incremental process of banning forms of firearms, and in this case ammunition, then slowly work toward, as Hillary Clinton once claimed, an Australian-style of gun-control which means the compulsory turning-in of firearms AKA confiscation.

Hillary: Australia-style gun control ‘worth looking at’
Hillary Clinton says a gun buyback program similar to the one Australia implemented in 1996 is “worth considering” in the United States.

“I don’t know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australia example is worth looking at,” Clinton said at a New Hampshire town hall on Friday.

The Democratic presidential front-runner said data indicate the Australian program reduced the number of firearms in circulation by paying citizens to turn over their weapons.

“The Australian government, as part of trying to clamp down on the availability of automatic weapons, offered a good price for buying hundreds of thousands of guns, and then they basically clamped down going forward in terms of having, you know, more of a background-check approach, more of a permitting approach,” Clinton said.

The Australian government purchased more than 650,000 guns from citizens in the compulsory 1996 buyback program.

...actually the reason why no career politicians can ever be trusted

 

[Divine Wind]

The bullshit ammo shortage conspiracy debunked by CONSERVATIVE Foxnews:

What's really behind ammo shortages across country?

The "bullshit ammo shortage conspiracy debunked"? Sorry, but disagreed.

Please consider this; if President Trump announced that he was going to eliminate Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac thus resulting in a sudden rise in housing prices by Americans fearful that they couldn't buy a home after the legislation is enacted, would you blame President Trump for this problem or the Americans suddenly causing rises in home prices due to increased demand?

I'm guessing most LWers would blame Trump for it and not the Americans striving to buy up homes.

 

[Rustic]

and bullshit like this is why we cant have common sense laws.

armor piercing my ass.

Unfortunately, agreed. The anti-gun Left has long proven 1) give them an inch on gun control and they'll reach for a mile and 2) what is "common sense" to the anti-gun Left is not "common sense" to the rest of American voters.

The incestuous nature of anti-gun nutters has bred all commonsense right out of their gene pool.... fact

 

[Divine Wind]

The incestuous nature of anti-gun nutters has bred all commonsense right out of their gene pool.... fact

Funny. I presume you mean politically incestuous, not genetically incestuous. If so, I agree. Their movement does breed with itself.

The main problem, IMO, is that Democrats tend to like "one-size fits all" solutions; they want simple, all-encompassing solutions and don't have the will and/or capacity to realize that the United States is a lot bigger than their own neighborhoods. Gun violence is a problem of urban centers, which are also bastions of Democrats. I live in rural Texas. We don't have a "gun violence" problem like the inner cities have, so why impose laws upon us that only restrict rights and do not solve anything?

Another major problem is that "gun violence" is easily divided into the greater issue of race in America. Most murders are black men murdering black men in the cities. Most "gun violence" suicides are white men. Banning guns won't solve the suicide problem much less cure depression, but it would certainly cut down on the number of black-on-black murders.

Guns and race: The different worlds of black and white Americans | Brookings Institution
Gun deaths also vary dramatically by type. The vast majority (77 percent) of white gun deaths are suicides; less than one in five (19 percent) is a homicide. These figures are nearly opposite in the black population, where only 14 percent of gun deaths are suicides but 82 percent are homicides:

 

[Rustic]

The incestuous nature of anti-gun nutters has bred all commonsense right out of their gene pool.... fact

Funny. I presume you mean politically incestuous, not genetically incestuous. If so, I agree. Their movement does breed with itself.

The main problem, IMO, is that Democrats tend to like "one-size fits all" solutions; they want simple, all-encompassing solutions and don't have the will and/or capacity to realize that the United States is a lot bigger than their own neighborhoods. Gun violence is a problem of urban centers, which are also bastions of Democrats. I live in rural Texas. We don't have a "gun violence" problem like the inner cities have, so why impose laws upon us that only restrict rights and do not solve anything?

Another major problem is that "gun violence" is easily divided into the greater issue of race in America. Most murders are black men murdering black men in the cities. Most "gun violence" suicides are white men. Banning guns won't solve the suicide problem much less cure depression, but it would certainly cut down on the number of black-on-black murders.

Guns and race: The different worlds of black and white Americans | Brookings Institution
Gun deaths also vary dramatically by type. The vast majority (77 percent) of white gun deaths are suicides; less than one in five (19 percent) is a homicide. These figures are nearly opposite in the black population, where only 14 percent of gun deaths are suicides but 82 percent are homicides:

Proof that more firearms do not equal more deaths from violence… Opposite is true

 

[Rustic]

The incestuous nature of anti-gun nutters has bred all commonsense right out of their gene pool.... fact

Funny. I presume you mean politically incestuous, not genetically incestuous. If so, I agree. Their movement does breed with itself.

The main problem, IMO, is that Democrats tend to like "one-size fits all" solutions; they want simple, all-encompassing solutions and don't have the will and/or capacity to realize that the United States is a lot bigger than their own neighborhoods. Gun violence is a problem of urban centers, which are also bastions of Democrats. I live in rural Texas. We don't have a "gun violence" problem like the inner cities have, so why impose laws upon us that only restrict rights and do not solve anything?

Another major problem is that "gun violence" is easily divided into the greater issue of race in America. Most murders are black men murdering black men in the cities. Most "gun violence" suicides are white men. Banning guns won't solve the suicide problem much less cure depression, but it would certainly cut down on the number of black-on-black murders.

Guns and race: The different worlds of black and white Americans | Brookings Institution
Gun deaths also vary dramatically by type. The vast majority (77 percent) of white gun deaths are suicides; less than one in five (19 percent) is a homicide. These figures are nearly opposite in the black population, where only 14 percent of gun deaths are suicides but 82 percent are homicides:

Proof that more firearms do not equal more deaths from violence… Opposite is true

More frivolous gun laws equals more violent crime… Fact

 

[Syriusly]

and bullshit like this is why we cant have common sense laws.

armor piercing my ass.

Unfortunately, agreed. The anti-gun Left has long proven 1) give them an inch on gun control and they'll reach for a mile and 2) what is "common sense" to the anti-gun Left is not "common sense" to the rest of American voters.

On the other hand- the pro-gun Right has long proven that they will oppose any common sense gun control- of any sort- regardless of how much sense it makes- because it is 'gun control'- and of course Americans have the right to own any firearm that exists in the world- along with any ammo that exists.....

 

[Syriusly]

Is there any reason why the 5.56 should be treated any differently than any other caliber bullet?

The supposed ban only ends the exemption that the 5.56 got that other ammo didn't have.

Who knows what gets into the progressive anti-gun nutters mind? Certainly no commonsense has ever entered their.
The silly fuckers think AR-15 is not a sporting rifle...

Still wondering what the silly gullible fuckers who think that ending an exemption for 5.56 means 'stop all 5.56 ammo sales'

I will never pretend to know what goes through a progressives head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. They cannot tolerate anybody disagree with them… I guess it's their control freak nature

I will never pretend to know what goes through a 'conservatives' head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. For 8 years they believed the gun industry and like the scared rabbits they were bought ammo and guns because they believed Obama was coming to take away their guns and lock them in FEMA camps. They not only can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, they believe anything that they are told as long as it includes the implication: progressives bad'

under obama ammo became scarce and expensive.

even the lowly .22 rounds were nicknamed unicorn tears cause his laws made them impossible to find.

Which law?

Specifically.

 

[g5000]

yet another attack on the 2nd Amendment.
Judicial Watch Sues the ATF for Records Related to Attempted Reclassification of AR-15 Ammunition as ‘Armor-Piercing’ - Judicial Watch

Funny. The ATF is part of the Executive branch, and yet you didn't put Trump's ATF Wants To Stop 5.56 Ammo in your title.

Hmmmm...

 

[g5000]

Trump not only supports an Assault Weapons Bban, he also believes in background checks and longer waiting periods to buy a gun.


“I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record.” - Donald Trump

 

[Bush92]

yet another attack on the 2nd Amendment.
Judicial Watch Sues the ATF for Records Related to Attempted Reclassification of AR-15 Ammunition as ‘Armor-Piercing’ - Judicial Watch

Funny. The ATF is part of the Executive branch, and yet you didn't put Trump's ATF Wants To Stop 5.56 Ammo in your title.

Hmmmm...

Because he is not done cleaning the cockroaches out of the Executive Branch.

 

[Bush92]

and bullshit like this is why we cant have common sense laws.

armor piercing my ass.

Unfortunately, agreed. The anti-gun Left has long proven 1) give them an inch on gun control and they'll reach for a mile and 2) what is "common sense" to the anti-gun Left is not "common sense" to the rest of American voters.

On the other hand- the pro-gun Right has long proven that they will oppose any common sense gun control- of any sort- regardless of how much sense it makes- because it is 'gun control'- and of course Americans have the right to own any firearm that exists in the world- along with any ammo that exists.....

The only common sense gun control is keep them out of the hands of felons and psychos. Otherwise...the more guns in society the better.

 

[g5000]

yet another attack on the 2nd Amendment.
Judicial Watch Sues the ATF for Records Related to Attempted Reclassification of AR-15 Ammunition as ‘Armor-Piercing’ - Judicial Watch

Funny. The ATF is part of the Executive branch, and yet you didn't put Trump's ATF Wants To Stop 5.56 Ammo in your title.

Hmmmm...

Because he is not done cleaning the cockroaches out of the Executive Branch.

Let us all know the day he stops spying on Americans without a warrant, mm-kay?

 

[Bush92]

yet another attack on the 2nd Amendment.
Judicial Watch Sues the ATF for Records Related to Attempted Reclassification of AR-15 Ammunition as ‘Armor-Piercing’ - Judicial Watch

Funny. The ATF is part of the Executive branch, and yet you didn't put Trump's ATF Wants To Stop 5.56 Ammo in your title.

Hmmmm...

Because he is not done cleaning the cockroaches out of the Executive Branch.

Let us all know the day he stops spying on Americans without a warrant, mm-kay?

You confuse him with Obama.

 

[2aguy]

I will never pretend to know what goes through a 'conservatives' head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. For 8 years they believed the gun industry and like the scared rabbits they were bought ammo and guns because they believed Obama was coming to take away their guns and lock them in FEMA camps. They not only can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, they believe anything that they are told as long as it includes the implication: progressives bad'

The Shit stain that is Obama tried to do plenty, even with the fucking crocodile tears and all. His presidency brought the progressive nutters out of the woodwork to do most of the mass shootings during his terms.

Obama executive action: New gun control orders - CNNPolitics.com

How many of your shit stained guns did President Obama seize? Or try to seize?

I will never pretend to know what goes through a 'conservatives' head, they are a sorry fucking bunch. For 8 years they believed the gun industry and like the scared rabbits they were bought ammo and guns because they believed Obama was coming to take away their guns and lock them in FEMA camps. They not only can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, they believe anything that they are told as long as it includes the implication: progressives bad'

If his judges on the 4th Circuit Court of appeals ....

So how many of your guns were seized? Or even attempted to be seized? 10? 5? 1?

LOL

You gullible idiots made the gun industry rich.

Sorry, while no guns were actually seized, to deny that was on the Left's anti-gun agenda is to deny reality. As many anti-gun LWers both on this forum and in Congress have attested, if they could ban all guns, they would. Since they can't do this, the next best thing is an incremental process of banning forms of firearms, and in this case ammunition, then slowly work toward, as Hillary Clinton once claimed, an Australian-style of gun-control which means the compulsory turning-in of firearms AKA confiscation.

Hillary: Australia-style gun control ‘worth looking at’
Hillary Clinton says a gun buyback program similar to the one Australia implemented in 1996 is “worth considering” in the United States.

“I don’t know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australia example is worth looking at,” Clinton said at a New Hampshire town hall on Friday.

The Democratic presidential front-runner said data indicate the Australian program reduced the number of firearms in circulation by paying citizens to turn over their weapons.

“The Australian government, as part of trying to clamp down on the availability of automatic weapons, offered a good price for buying hundreds of thousands of guns, and then they basically clamped down going forward in terms of having, you know, more of a background-check approach, more of a permitting approach,” Clinton said.

The Australian government purchased more than 650,000 guns from citizens in the compulsory 1996 buyback program.

It is actually worse than just statements....here is how they planned on grabbing guns without having to lose one democrat to an anti gun vote in congress....

Articles: Hillary: Impose Gun Control by Judicial Fiat



Hillary’s focus on repealing the PLCAA seems strange: it’s been on the books for eleven years, it was passed by 2-1 bipartisan majorities (65-31 Senate, 283-144 House), and every suit it has blocked is one that should never have been filed. Yet oppose it Hillary does. Her campaign webpage proposes to “Take on the gun lobby by removing the industry’s sweeping legal protection for illegal and irresponsible actions (which makes it almost impossible for people to hold them accountable), and revoking licenses from dealers who break the law.” She told the Bridgeport News that “as president, I would lead the charge to repeal this law.” In Iowa, she called the PLCAA “one of the most egregious, wrong, pieces of legislation that ever passed the Congress.”

But, even given her anti-gun beliefs, why does Hillary place so high a priority on repealing some eleven-year-old statute?

The papers found in her husband’s presidential archives in Little Rock show why the lawsuits that the PLCAA stopped were so important to his anti-gun plans. A January 2000 question and answer document, probably meant to prepare Bill Clinton for a press conference, asks about his involvement in the lawsuits against the gun industry. It suggests as an answer that he “intends to engage the gun industry in negotiations” to “achieve meaningful reforms to the way the gun industry does business.” The memo suggests he close with “We want real reforms that will improve the public safety and save lives.”

This is noteworthy: the Clinton White House did not see the lawsuits’ purpose as winning money, but as a means to pressure the gun industry into adopting the Clinton “reforms.” What might those reforms have been?

The Clinton Presidential Archives answered that question, too. In December 1999, the “Office of the Deputy Secretary” (presumably of Treasury) had sent a fax to the fax line for Clinton’s White House Domestic Policy Council. The fax laid out a proposed settlement of the legal cases. The terms were very well designed. They would have given the antigun movements all the victories that it had been unable to win in Congress over the past twenty years! Moreover, the terms would be imposed by a court order, not by a statute. That meant that any violation could be prosecuted as a contempt of court, by the parties to the lawsuit rather than by the government. A future Congress could not repeal the judgment, and a future White House could not block its enforcement. The settlement would have a permanent existence outside the democratic process.

The terms were extensive and drastic:

Gun manufacturers must stop producing firearms (rifle, pistol, or shotguns) that could accept detachable magazines holding more than ten rounds. In practice, since there is no way to design a detachable-magazine firearm that cannot take larger magazines, this would mean ceasing production of all firearms with detachable magazines. No more semiauto handguns.

The manufacturers would be required to stop production of magazines holding more than ten rounds.

Manufacturers must also stop production of firearms with polymer frames. All handguns made must meet importation standards (long barrels, target sights, etc.).

After five years, manufacturers must produce nothing but “smart guns” (that is, using “authorized user technology”).

But those conditions were just the beginning. The next requirement was the key to regulating all licensed firearms dealers, as well. The manufacturers must agree to sell only to distributors and dealers who agreed to comply with the standards set for distributors and dealers. Thus dealers would were not parties to the lawsuits would be forced to comply, upon pain of being unable to buy inventory.

The dealers in turn must agree:

They’d make no sales at gun shows, and no sales over internet.

They’d hold their customers to one-gun-a-month, for all types of guns, not just handguns.

They would not sell used or new magazines holding more than ten rounds.

They would not sell any firearm that fell within the definitions of the 1994 “assault weapon ban,” even if the ban expired.

They must prove they have a minimum inventory of each manufacturers’ product, and that they derive a majority of their revenue from firearms or sporting equipment sales. No more small town hardware store dealers, and no more WalMarts with gun sections.

The manufacturers would be required to pay for a “monitor,” a person to make sure the settlement was enforced. The monitor would create a “sales data clearinghouse,” to which the manufacturers, distributors, and dealers must report each gun sale, thus creating a registration system, outside of the government and thus not covered by the Privacy Act.

The monitor would have the authority to hire investigators, inspect dealer records without notice, and to “conduct undercover sting operations.” The monitor would thus serve as a private BATFE, without the legal restrictions that bind that agency, and paid for by the gun industry itself.

The manufacturers must cut off any dealer who failed to comply, and whenever BATFE traced a gun to a dealer, the dealer would be presumed guilty unless he could prove himself innocent. (BATFE encourages police departments to trace every firearm that comes into their hands, including firearms turned in, lost and found, and recovered from thieves. As a result, it performs over 300,000 traces a year. Thus, this term would lead to many dealers being cut off and forced to prove their innocence on a regular basis).

Gun registration, one gun a month, magazines limited to ten rounds, no Glocks, no guns with detachable magazines (in effect, no semiauto handguns), no dealers at gun shows, an “assault weapon ban” in perpetuity, no internet sales. In short, the movement to restrict gun owners would have achieved, in one stroke, every objective it had labored for over the years -- indeed, it would have achieved some that (a ban on semiauto handguns) that were so bold it had never dared to propose them. All this would be achieved without the messy necessity of winning a majority vote in Congress.

 

[g5000]

yet another attack on the 2nd Amendment.
Judicial Watch Sues the ATF for Records Related to Attempted Reclassification of AR-15 Ammunition as ‘Armor-Piercing’ - Judicial Watch

Funny. The ATF is part of the Executive branch, and yet you didn't put Trump's ATF Wants To Stop 5.56 Ammo in your title.

Hmmmm...

Because he is not done cleaning the cockroaches out of the Executive Branch.

Let us all know the day he stops spying on Americans without a warrant, mm-kay?

You confuse him with Obama.

Yeah, okay. Just let us know when that day has arrived, mm-kay?

Obama merely took the baton handed to him by Bush. When Bush was doing it, you pseudocons were loving it. "He's keeping us safe!"

And when you find out Trump has ramped up domestic spying, you will say the same thing.