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This country is supposed to be a republic not a democracy...Conservatives hate democracy. You should admire the Democrats' primary process.
A socialist democracy is nothing more than mob rule, before too long they run out of money. A Banana republic ensues then it becomes a dictatorship quite easily...This country is supposed to be a republic not a democracy...Conservatives hate democracy. You should admire the Democrats' primary process.
Indeed it is. Indeed it is. Unfortunately, the old farts that control BOTH parties are of the mind that, even though we are a "representative republic", they neither represent the republic OR the people that make it up. Washington has gotten so out of hand, that it's time for major shakeups in BOTH parties.
Democratic Party superdelegates are undemocratic
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CNN)You might think, from their title, that superdelegates are better than regular delegates.
Actually, they're worse.
It wasn't until the mid-1900s that parties embraced primary elections as part of the process for deciding on presidential candidates. But to ensure that the voters themselves didn't have all the power, in 1982 the Democratic Party adopted what are called superdelegates, who today control 15% of the final nomination process.
It's in the Democratic Party that the outsized power and lack of accountability of superdelegates is supremely, well, undemocratic.
Specifically, after the Democratic caucuses in Nevada,CNN estimatedthat Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were almost tied for pledged delegates, with 52 and 51 of them, respectively. And yet Clinton was leading by a much wider margin in the total delegate count because a whopping 445 superdelegates -- out of a total of 712 -- pledged to support her. By comparison, just 18 superdelegates pledged to support Sanders.
In other words, while Clinton and Sanders were almost perfectly split in the tally of voter-determined delegates, superdelegates threw their weight behind Clinton by an almost 25-to-1 ratio.
So here's where it gets really interesting: In the 2008 Democratic primary,by at least some measures, more people actually voted for Clinton than for Barack Obama. But because of the way pledged delegates are counted and because Obama's team led an effort early on to lock down superdelegates, the math ultimately favored Obama, and Clinton dropped out. Clinton, in turn, learned not to dismantle the superdelegate system but to better play it,hiring the architectof Obama's superdelegate strategy to marshal hers this time around.
Democratic Party superdelegates are undemocratic (opinion) - CNN.com
So, Hillary and Bernie were tied in Nevada until the Super delegates came in play and he lost the the delegate count until Hill's super delegates came into play and she received another 445 delegates that were pledged to her, not by the vote of citizens, but the party's elite.
How undemocratic is that? Realizing that she is receiving most of the 712 more delegates that the people did not vote for! Are Democrats so in the tank for the Democratic party they can't see they are being had?
I don't understand the concept of 'pledged delegates'. It just seems kind of an honerable way to describe something that is quite unhonerable. Do pledged delegates vote to who the pledge to which would mean that no matter who put them their they are going to vote one way? It does seem rather undemocratic in many ways.
Bernie knew the rules before he announced. That's why you don't hear him bitching about it.
Nutbags are eager to point fingers at the way the Dems are running their primary......because there's is going so well.
And if Sanders won the most pledged delegates, the supers would break for him. This all started back in 72 for the dems, and that was when it all broke apart for them. In 68, LBJ doesn't run because RFK does, then RFK is assassinated, Humphrey gets nominated with kids rioting (or cops rioting to beat up kids) which was crazy cause Humphrey liked the kids and wanted the war to end, so NIXON GETS ELECTED. Then, Humphrey catches cancer, and McGovern gets nominated, and that's the end of the FDR coalition.This may come as a shock to some, but parties get to decide how they run their primaries. Don't like it? Run to be a party leader.
Bernie's a socialist. Why would he expect the state democratic parties to support him? But if he beat Hillary and won most of the pledged delegates, they wouldn't deny him the nomination.Bernie knew the rules before he announced. That's why you don't hear him bitching about it.
Nutbags are eager to point fingers at the way the Dems are running their primary......because there's is going so well.
If Bernie wanted more Super Delegate support, he could have become a Democrat.
And if Sanders won the most pledged delegates, the supers would break for him. This all started back in 72 for the dems, and that was when it all broke apart for them. In 68, LBJ doesn't run because RFK does, then RFK is assassinated, Humphrey gets nominated with kids rioting (or cops rioting to beat up kids) which was crazy cause Humphrey liked the kids and wanted the war to end, so NIXON GETS ELECTED. Then, Humphrey catches cancer, and McGovern gets nominated, and that's the end of the FDR coalition.This may come as a shock to some, but parties get to decide how they run their primaries. Don't like it? Run to be a party leader.
It doesn't make it right. They are not letting the PEOPLE decide.Bernie knew the rules before he announced. That's why you don't hear him bitching about it.
Nutbags are eager to point fingers at the way the Dems are running their primary......because there's is going so well.
It doesn't make it right. They are not letting the PEOPLE decide.Bernie knew the rules before he announced. That's why you don't hear him bitching about it.
Nutbags are eager to point fingers at the way the Dems are running their primary......because there's is going so well.
They haven't been screwed over yet
Actually, Hillary isn't alive. She's dead. She needs human brains to survive but it's difficult to find brains in your average American voter. Democrats especially.Democratic Party superdelegates are undemocratic
(
CNN)You might think, from their title, that superdelegates are better than regular delegates.
Actually, they're worse.
It wasn't until the mid-1900s that parties embraced primary elections as part of the process for deciding on presidential candidates. But to ensure that the voters themselves didn't have all the power, in 1982 the Democratic Party adopted what are called superdelegates, who today control 15% of the final nomination process.
It's in the Democratic Party that the outsized power and lack of accountability of superdelegates is supremely, well, undemocratic.
Specifically, after the Democratic caucuses in Nevada,CNN estimatedthat Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were almost tied for pledged delegates, with 52 and 51 of them, respectively. And yet Clinton was leading by a much wider margin in the total delegate count because a whopping 445 superdelegates -- out of a total of 712 -- pledged to support her. By comparison, just 18 superdelegates pledged to support Sanders.
In other words, while Clinton and Sanders were almost perfectly split in the tally of voter-determined delegates, superdelegates threw their weight behind Clinton by an almost 25-to-1 ratio.
So here's where it gets really interesting: In the 2008 Democratic primary,by at least some measures, more people actually voted for Clinton than for Barack Obama. But because of the way pledged delegates are counted and because Obama's team led an effort early on to lock down superdelegates, the math ultimately favored Obama, and Clinton dropped out. Clinton, in turn, learned not to dismantle the superdelegate system but to better play it,hiring the architectof Obama's superdelegate strategy to marshal hers this time around.
Democratic Party superdelegates are undemocratic (opinion) - CNN.com
So, Hillary and Bernie were tied in Nevada until the Super delegates came in play and he lost the the delegate count until Hill's super delegates came into play and she received another 445 delegates that were pledged to her, not by the vote of citizens, but the party's elite.
How undemocratic is that? Realizing that she is receiving most of the 712 more delegates that the people did not vote for! Are Democrats so in the tank for the Democratic party they can't see they are being had?
