Democrat ties to Russian lawyer are now coming out.....

[HaShev]

My point with Joe is Bill Clinton's 1998 incident where he mysteriously let Bin Laden slip away, something he himself admitted regretting ironically a day before 911.
Fact: we now know Clinton foundation took money for favors from the Saudis, I even showed a pic of one such open hand off money envelope. My point to Joe is his lack of concern to what those favors were especially if letting Bin Laden go was one of those favors that is the doosey of all crimes committed in the name of greed and power.

Not only do you not possess any evidence whatsoever that the Saudis paid Clinton money to let OBL go; even suggesting such nonsense requires you to ignore the reality that the Saudis were not friends of OBL. They earlier revoked his citizenship and later, wouldn't allow him to return.

You obviously do not take precise wording into account (as in you have not read me correctly[perhaps you were rushed?]), which is why I'm guessing you are one of the people easily swayed by fake news lack of proper tenses and wording to reshape how you view the news. To answer your post anyway;
1)Using Dem standards there's enough smoke to require investigation otherwise admit there is no evidence of collusion says the 3 intelligence agencies and over a year investigation.
2) it's serious enough to mandate investigating further. You and assuming your fellow party posters are sgowing zero concern which is disturbing.
3)There is evidence in Hillary's emails and picture evidence of pay to play favors given the Saudis, all I did was ask did that include letting OBL slip away? And since she destroyed evidence how can you conclude there is/was no evidence of the favors?
You say no, without evidence (using your own standard) but never explain
1-why he let him slup away in 1998
2-why did his concious feel guilty to confess to an Australian audience a day before 911?
3-what were all theworthys and are some of them just as cringe worthy.

INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THESE issues, people would rather ad hominem smokescreen
reply and avoid honest discussion, even as far as acoiding what Bill Clinton himself admited in COULD HAVE Captured or kill ObL in 1998. PLUS you guys keep making excuses and have an unusual disturbing acceptance of criminal greed.

What you describe as letting him "slup away in 1998," is in reality, Clinton choosing between killing OBL along with hundreds of innocent civilians plus political leaders versus not killing OBL that day. We can argue over which would have been the right thing to do, but he offered that explanation and it was his choice to make. And given Clinton fired missiles at OBL just a few months earlier and doing so didn't kill OBL, choosing not to repeat that is a reasonable position. And again, you possess zero evidence he did so because the Saudis (who were no friends of OBL) paid him. For you to suggest he might have is nothing but your over-active imagination hard at work.

As far as him discussing that the day before 9.11, there is nothing to explain. Him saying what he did and Al-Qaeda attacking us the next day are unrelated.

And who created the figures to number of innocents at risk when we had precision bombs, are they the same wild eye propaganda figures they use for healthcare casualties *L*
SERIOUSLY, YOU TRUST THAT EXCUSE which inflates casualties to save face?
This is the king of lying Bill Clinton you are talking about, spin doctor supreme you are trusting. ONCE AGAIN, even he admitted the bad decision and choice before 911, before Afghan, Iraq wars before Isis, & before Syria unrest. Imagine now knowing the trade off.
-oops.=argument failed and is still smokescreening the millions of dollars question: "what favors were performed or what was overlooked for the Saudis "donations"?
Stop avoiding the question and admit it's being swept under the rug in embarassment and protection of a former sitting teflon president.

^^^ Mindless drivel.

If collateral damage was not a factor, as you suggest, Clinton would have not mentioned the incident at all. He was under no obligation to do so and offered it freely. And like your hollow suggestion that he could have been paid by enemies of OBL to let OBL go free, you again have no evidence to confirm your empty claims.

And why on Earth would anyone entertain your Clinton is the devil masturbation? Had you had any actual evidence, I'd be more than happy to engage it. I'm not about to waste bandwidth to fuel your delusions.

You do realize OBL threatened the US and is the reason why Bill surrounded him in the first place. Once again you used
ad hominem arguments and refused to answer the IMPORTANT QUESTIONS and admit you're wrong.
WHAT WE DO KNOW FROM THIS IS:
Bill's choices=a mess
Hillary's decisions= a mess
Obama decisions (gov't run health care, Syria pulling out of Iraq and announcing everything, kicking the proverbial can down the road)=complete mess.
The Democrat House and Senate voting Nay uniformally in obstruction to things the People of the Country need, benefit from and want= anti democracy by being affiliate first country last=epic failures in leadership.

 

[JoeB131]

Remember you are the one who INADVERTANTLY called your own party conspiracy nuts by saying:
"weirdo conspiracy theories"
in regard to what Bill Clinton himself admitted

Dude, I'm not wasting time on your crazy.. next argument

Fact this whole conspiracy rant from the left claims it's to find out and prevent countries from manipulating our elections, however if that was true you'd be equally outraged and investigating the Ukraine and Mexico interference.=caught lying about motive and unbias.

Again, Mexico and the Ukraine don't have thousands of nukes pointed at us. Russia does.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

/---- The Popular vote is a meaningless statistic. Do I need to repost the 1960 World Series analogy for the hundredth time?

That would be kind of retarded.

We have national elections to determine the will of the people. The will of the people was "HELL NO!"

Nope. The national election determines the will of the States via the Electoral College. This was common elementary knowledge when I was in school.

They don't teach about the Electoral College anymore so they can say this bogus, unofficial popular vote should be how the President is elected.

 

[JoeB131]

They don't teach about the Electoral College anymore so they can say this bogus, unofficial popular vote should be how the President is elected.

actually, most people would consider the EC pretty ridiculous if they spent time thinking about it, but the subject usually doesn't come up because usually, it confirms what the people wanted.

We have a president most of us didn't want. It's becoming clear why most of us didn't want him.

 

[FJO]

Nope. The national election determines the will of the States via the Electoral College. This was common elementary knowledge when I was in school.

Okay, keep pretending the 18th century anachronism gives your boy legitimacy.

Poll: Trump's six-month approval rating hits historic low

President Donald Trump has hit the lowest approval rating of any president during their first six months in office in 70 years, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Thirty-six percent of those surveyed approve of the president's job performance, which is six points down from his 100-day mark, while 58 percent disapprove of Trump's performance.

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Why do Democrat always bitch about the legitimate election of a Republican president??

BTW, the authors of that "16th century anachronism" gave you and the socialist/liberal press the freedom to mouth off mindlessly about those you hate because they are better than you.

Your ilk has no idea how to be tolerant and patient. You and your ilk gave no honeymoon this president, usually given to all previous presidents, In fact the vicious attacks started the moment he announced his intention to run for president, You and your ilk in the press demand immediate results from this president to keep his campaign promises, while you gave an eight year pass to Obama about closing Gitmo.

No surprise about approval ratings. This president is being opposed and attacked by by vindictive personal grudges like John McCain. Sabotaged by RINO's like Paul Ryan and ancient fossil Mitch McConnell. Derided by most nobodies in the press and entertainment industry.

Is any wonder his approval ratings are low, in the face of such irrational and unreasonable opposition?

When so many oppose you, you must be doing something right.

 

[FJO]

Your best post, ever.

 

[JoeB131]

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

 

[JoeB131]

Why do Democrat always bitch about the legitimate election of a Republican president??

Because when the other guy gets more votes, it's not legitimate.

BTW, the authors of that "16th century anachronism" gave you and the socialist/liberal press the freedom to mouth off mindlessly about those you hate because they are better than you.

wouldn't know, haven't met anyone who is better than me.

Your ilk has no idea how to be tolerant and patient. You and your ilk gave no honeymoon this president, usually given to all previous presidents, In fact the vicious attacks started the moment he announced his intention to run for president, You and your ilk in the press demand immediate results from this president to keep his campaign promises, while you gave an eight year pass to Obama about closing Gitmo.

Here's the difference. Obama actually got things done. Trump has accomplished pretty much nothing.

No surprise about approval ratings. This president is being opposed and attacked by by vindictive personal grudges like John McCain. Sabotaged by RINO's like Paul Ryan and ancient fossil Mitch McConnell. Derided by most nobodies in the press and entertainment industry.

Is any wonder his approval ratings are low, in the face of such irrational and unreasonable opposition?

No, it isn't a wonder when a petulent man-child who the people didn't want screws up everything.

 

[Cellblock2429]

They don't teach about the Electoral College anymore so they can say this bogus, unofficial popular vote should be how the President is elected.

actually, most people would consider the EC pretty ridiculous if they spent time thinking about it, but the subject usually doesn't come up because usually, it confirms what the people wanted.

We have a president most of us didn't want. It's becoming clear why most of us didn't want him.

/----/ I've spent time thinking about the EC and it is brilliant. It protects the "fly over country" you Progs hate so much from the over reach of the Elites on the East and West coast.
Now you "think about this" : "The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer (meaning the Electoral College) , rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could“sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.” Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”
The Reason for the Electoral College - FactCheck.org

 

[Cellblock2429]

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

/----/ When you say "your fucked up system" does that mean you're not American? What country are you from?

 

[FJO]

Why do Democrat always bitch about the legitimate election of a Republican president??

Because when the other guy gets more votes, it's not legitimate.

BTW, the authors of that "16th century anachronism" gave you and the socialist/liberal press the freedom to mouth off mindlessly about those you hate because they are better than you.

wouldn't know, haven't met anyone who is better than me.

Your ilk has no idea how to be tolerant and patient. You and your ilk gave no honeymoon this president, usually given to all previous presidents, In fact the vicious attacks started the moment he announced his intention to run for president, You and your ilk in the press demand immediate results from this president to keep his campaign promises, while you gave an eight year pass to Obama about closing Gitmo.

Here's the difference. Obama actually got things done. Trump has accomplished pretty much nothing.

No surprise about approval ratings. This president is being opposed and attacked by by vindictive personal grudges like John McCain. Sabotaged by RINO's like Paul Ryan and ancient fossil Mitch McConnell. Derided by most nobodies in the press and entertainment industry.

Is any wonder his approval ratings are low, in the face of such irrational and unreasonable opposition?

No, it isn't a wonder when a petulent man-child who the people didn't want screws up everything.

The electoral college gave

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

Did you voice the same concerns when the Electoral Collegegave the presidency to Bill Clinton, TWICE, with less than 50%+1??

 

[Cellblock2429]

Why do Democrat always bitch about the legitimate election of a Republican president??

Because when the other guy gets more votes, it's not legitimate.

BTW, the authors of that "16th century anachronism" gave you and the socialist/liberal press the freedom to mouth off mindlessly about those you hate because they are better than you.

wouldn't know, haven't met anyone who is better than me.

Your ilk has no idea how to be tolerant and patient. You and your ilk gave no honeymoon this president, usually given to all previous presidents, In fact the vicious attacks started the moment he announced his intention to run for president, You and your ilk in the press demand immediate results from this president to keep his campaign promises, while you gave an eight year pass to Obama about closing Gitmo.

Here's the difference. Obama actually got things done. Trump has accomplished pretty much nothing.

No surprise about approval ratings. This president is being opposed and attacked by by vindictive personal grudges like John McCain. Sabotaged by RINO's like Paul Ryan and ancient fossil Mitch McConnell. Derided by most nobodies in the press and entertainment industry.

Is any wonder his approval ratings are low, in the face of such irrational and unreasonable opposition?

No, it isn't a wonder when a petulent man-child who the people didn't want screws up everything.

The electoral college gave

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

Did you voice the same concerns when the Electoral Collegegave the presidency to Bill Clinton, TWICE, with less than 50%+1??

/----/ Of course not. Then the Libtards celebrate our Electoral College.

 

[FJO]

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

It is NOT my fucked up system. I am strictly and outsider here, admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history, and wondering why more nations don't follow the time proven example set? Also wondering why people like you who claim to be Americans be so hate filled about your own country.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

It is NOT my fucked up system. I am strictly and outsider here, admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history, and wondering why more nations don't follow the time proven example set? Also wondering why people like you who claim to be Americans be so hate filled about your own country.

/----/ You sound very confused. Is it a "fucked up system" or one worth "admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history" And please provide any comment I have made that indicates I don't love my country. Just one will do.

 

[FJO]

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

It is NOT my fucked up system. I am strictly and outsider here, admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history, and wondering why more nations don't follow the time proven example set? Also wondering why people like you who claim to be Americans be so hate filled about your own country.

/----/ You sound very confused. Is it a "fucked up system" or one worth "admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history" And please provide any comment I have made that indicates I don't love my country. Just one will do.

Back track a bit and you will see that I responded to JoeB131, not you.

Your apology is accepted.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

It is NOT my fucked up system. I am strictly and outsider here, admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history, and wondering why more nations don't follow the time proven example set? Also wondering why people like you who claim to be Americans be so hate filled about your own country.

/----/ You sound very confused. Is it a "fucked up system" or one worth "admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history" And please provide any comment I have made that indicates I don't love my country. Just one will do.

Back track a bit and you will see that I responded to JoeB131, not you.

Your apology is accepted.

/----/ Your acceptance of my yet declared apology is duly noted. The old Yahoo Finance message board was less complicated that USMB and it was easier to see who was talking to whom. Now you have permission to accept my apology.

 

[FJO]

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

It is NOT my fucked up system. I am strictly and outsider here, admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history, and wondering why more nations don't follow the time proven example set? Also wondering why people like you who claim to be Americans be so hate filled about your own country.

/----/ You sound very confused. Is it a "fucked up system" or one worth "admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history" And please provide any comment I have made that indicates I don't love my country. Just one will do.

Back track a bit and you will see that I responded to JoeB131, not you.

Your apology is accepted.

/----/ Your acceptance of my yet declared apology is duly noted. The old Yahoo Finance message board was less complicated that USMB and it was easier to see who was talking to whom. Now you have permission to accept my apology.

Has Hell frozen over, yet??

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

They don't teach about the Electoral College anymore so they can say this bogus, unofficial popular vote should be how the President is elected.

actually, most people would consider the EC pretty ridiculous if they spent time thinking about it

Most people are fucking idiots thanks to you people, your media and a half century of ignorance of the public education system. I find it to be an expression of genius, and I am hardly alone in that assessment.

but the subject usually doesn't come up because usually, it confirms what the people wanted.

It doesn't come up because the US Constitution is no longer taught in American schools. That's why so many of you people were surprised by it.

We have a president most of us didn't want. It's becoming clear why most of us didn't want him.

Tough shit. He's the president. If you don't like the game, find enough supporters to change the rules. Until then, sit on a spindle.

 

[FJO]

That "18th century anachronism" is the law of the land whether you like it or not. It has withstood the test of time of 240 years. If you don't like it, elect enough soul mate law makers to change it or live with it and shut up.

Guy, just because your fucked up system exists doesn't make it good.

When the EC has overridden the will of the people, it has ALWAYS been a disaster - Bush, Trump, Hayes....

The people get these things right.

Trump is clearly showing himself unfit for office. Every day.

And you guys keep pretending something hasn't gone horribly wrong.

It is NOT my fucked up system. I am strictly and outsider here, admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history, and wondering why more nations don't follow the time proven example set? Also wondering why people like you who claim to be Americans be so hate filled about your own country.

/----/ You sound very confused. Is it a "fucked up system" or one worth "admiring and envying the system authored by some of the wisest people in history" And please provide any comment I have made that indicates I don't love my country. Just one will do.

Back track a bit and you will see that I responded to JoeB131, not you.

Your apology is accepted.

/----/ Your acceptance of my yet declared apology is duly noted. The old Yahoo Finance message board was less complicated that USMB and it was easier to see who was talking to whom. Now you have permission to accept my apology.

Has Hell Frozen over yet??

 

[Faun]

Not only do you not possess any evidence whatsoever that the Saudis paid Clinton money to let OBL go; even suggesting such nonsense requires you to ignore the reality that the Saudis were not friends of OBL. They earlier revoked his citizenship and later, wouldn't allow him to return.

You obviously do not take precise wording into account (as in you have not read me correctly[perhaps you were rushed?]), which is why I'm guessing you are one of the people easily swayed by fake news lack of proper tenses and wording to reshape how you view the news. To answer your post anyway;
1)Using Dem standards there's enough smoke to require investigation otherwise admit there is no evidence of collusion says the 3 intelligence agencies and over a year investigation.
2) it's serious enough to mandate investigating further. You and assuming your fellow party posters are sgowing zero concern which is disturbing.
3)There is evidence in Hillary's emails and picture evidence of pay to play favors given the Saudis, all I did was ask did that include letting OBL slip away? And since she destroyed evidence how can you conclude there is/was no evidence of the favors?
You say no, without evidence (using your own standard) but never explain
1-why he let him slup away in 1998
2-why did his concious feel guilty to confess to an Australian audience a day before 911?
3-what were all theworthys and are some of them just as cringe worthy.

INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THESE issues, people would rather ad hominem smokescreen
reply and avoid honest discussion, even as far as acoiding what Bill Clinton himself admited in COULD HAVE Captured or kill ObL in 1998. PLUS you guys keep making excuses and have an unusual disturbing acceptance of criminal greed.

What you describe as letting him "slup away in 1998," is in reality, Clinton choosing between killing OBL along with hundreds of innocent civilians plus political leaders versus not killing OBL that day. We can argue over which would have been the right thing to do, but he offered that explanation and it was his choice to make. And given Clinton fired missiles at OBL just a few months earlier and doing so didn't kill OBL, choosing not to repeat that is a reasonable position. And again, you possess zero evidence he did so because the Saudis (who were no friends of OBL) paid him. For you to suggest he might have is nothing but your over-active imagination hard at work.

As far as him discussing that the day before 9.11, there is nothing to explain. Him saying what he did and Al-Qaeda attacking us the next day are unrelated.

And who created the figures to number of innocents at risk when we had precision bombs, are they the same wild eye propaganda figures they use for healthcare casualties *L*
SERIOUSLY, YOU TRUST THAT EXCUSE which inflates casualties to save face?
This is the king of lying Bill Clinton you are talking about, spin doctor supreme you are trusting. ONCE AGAIN, even he admitted the bad decision and choice before 911, before Afghan, Iraq wars before Isis, & before Syria unrest. Imagine now knowing the trade off.
-oops.=argument failed and is still smokescreening the millions of dollars question: "what favors were performed or what was overlooked for the Saudis "donations"?
Stop avoiding the question and admit it's being swept under the rug in embarassment and protection of a former sitting teflon president.

^^^ Mindless drivel.

If collateral damage was not a factor, as you suggest, Clinton would have not mentioned the incident at all. He was under no obligation to do so and offered it freely. And like your hollow suggestion that he could have been paid by enemies of OBL to let OBL go free, you again have no evidence to confirm your empty claims.

And why on Earth would anyone entertain your Clinton is the devil masturbation? Had you had any actual evidence, I'd be more than happy to engage it. I'm not about to waste bandwidth to fuel your delusions.

You do realize OBL threatened the US and is the reason why Bill surrounded him in the first place. Once again you used
ad hominem arguments and refused to answer the IMPORTANT QUESTIONS and admit you're wrong.
WHAT WE DO KNOW FROM THIS IS:
Bill's choices=a mess
Hillary's decisions= a mess
Obama decisions (gov't run health care, Syria pulling out of Iraq and announcing everything, kicking the proverbial can down the road)=complete mess.
The Democrat House and Senate voting Nay uniformally in obstruction to things the People of the Country need, benefit from and want= anti democracy by being affiliate first country last=epic failures in leadership.
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Those are not "important questions." Sans evidence, they're hallucinations.