Dear Sarah Palin; The Death Panel Already Exists and People Have Already Been Judged,

[OLJinhoist]

OLJinhoist

By the way it's Norman Mattoon Thomas, not Norman Matoon Thomas. I know this because I google his name the moment I saw your quote and I'm reading about him now.

But beyond that explain to us how socialist ideals are uncompilable with the ideals of democratic republic. Why is socialism bad? If your argument is socialism is evil your wrong. Only hum Religion can be used for good, or evil. Weapons can be used for good, or evil. Law enforcement can be used for good, or evil, and in fact, our law enforcement is socialized. If your argument is because Hitler was a socialist, wrong again. He was a national socialist, a dictator, and a monster. One of the first things the nazis did was force democratic socialist to wear red triangles, and they were some of the first sent to the concentration camps. So if your going to compare a group of people that wants democratic social reform, at least have the decency to compare them to Tommy Douglas, and not the guy with the funny mustache that tied to kill all the democratic socialist in his own country.

Check please!

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Only hum Religion can be used for good, or evil.(hum???)
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I will most certainly correct my spelling,Thank You for pointing that out. While we are on the subject I believe you Googled not Google.
Have you finished your homework (documentation)??
Your second paragraph rant does not belong in this thread please show some respect and stay on subject.You could start another thread, I am sure if you do you will have your answers from many sources. I thank you in advance for your anticipated courtesy to the membership.

Edit: I have found your answer. There is a thread already started as to what is wrong with socialism. So rather than having to change the subject that you yourself started why don't you seek your info as to what may be wrong with socialism within that thread.

 

[veritas]

Obama didn't say it, the CBO did. And I am saying it PUBLICLY, not publically.

Obama repeated it PUBLICLY and so did the CBO, to which point they added that it would extend medicare's solvency from 2017 [as it presently stands] to 2022 [under the current proposal examined].

Thanks for waving that white flag, whenever a spelling Nazi appears, its the surrender as they know they have nothing else.

You also appear to be dense, that is Obama speaking on that video, not 'the cbo.'

He makes a claim that the numbers will match up his fantasy scenario, which is another lie, thanks for pointing that out.

Oh, and I'm not looking for an editor, so don't bother to audition again.

Obama clearly cited the CBO. He didn't say he determined anything. You don't need an editor as much as a fact checker and comprehension skills.

 

[Xenophon]

Obama clearly cited the CBO. He didn't say he determined anything. You don't need an editor as much as a fact checker and comprehension skills.

Wow, you topped your other post in stupidity.

You need an IQ check as yours seems to not even reach double digits.

He makes a claim, so to you, its gospel.

Sheepe like you are how we got in this fix.

 

[Xenophon]

And since these noob assholes won't do their own homework and blindly belive everything the messiah tells them, i give you this little gem:

CBO Could be Hurt Badly By Health Care Debate | Capital Gains and Games

The CBO has been WRONG on the numbers for decades, and these damn fools take Obama's word when he cites...wait for it....THE CBO!

 

[PeterS]

were both cases handled by the same doctors?

No, your point?

your doctors malpractice ins might have required him to do these extra visits
and not your insurance there could have been a ton of other factors as well

The first thing I did was to request that all the surgeries be performed together--because with the second I had a scheduling conflict and the third went into the new year and would require a new deductible. She couldn't do it because my provider would only pay her for one procedure if performed together. I don't blame her and she did a very good job--I would check happy if asked about my health care but I am not happy with my empty wallet. By the way, my father-in-law is happy with his health care and even happier with his fatter wallet...

 

[DiveCon]

And since these noob assholes won't do their own homework and blindly belive everything the messiah tells them, i give you this little gem:

CBO Could be Hurt Badly By Health Care Debate | Capital Gains and Games

The CBO has been WRONG on the numbers for decades, and these damn fools take Obama's word when he cites...wait for it....THE CBO!

POTUS SHOULD be using the OMB
not the CBO

 

[DiveCon]

No, your point?

your doctors malpractice ins might have required him to do these extra visits
and not your insurance there could have been a ton of other factors as well

The first thing I did was to request that all the surgeries be performed together--because with the second I had a scheduling conflict and the third went into the new year and would require a new deductible. She couldn't do it because my provider would only pay her for one procedure if performed together. I don't blame her and she did a very good job--I would check happy if asked about my health care but I am not happy with my empty wallet. By the way, my father-in-law is happy with his health care and even happier with his fatter wallet...

ah, let me guess, your health insurance is Cigna
they suck
why anyone still uses them for more than a year is astounding to me

 

[Keith_J_Lemire]

OLJinhoist

By the way it's Norman Mattoon Thomas, not Norman Matoon Thomas. I know this because I google his name the moment I saw your quote and I'm reading about him now.

But beyond that explain to us how socialist ideals are uncompilable with the ideals of democratic republic. Why is socialism bad? If your argument is socialism is evil your wrong. Only hum Religion can be used for good, or evil. Weapons can be used for good, or evil. Law enforcement can be used for good, or evil, and in fact, our law enforcement is socialized. If your argument is because Hitler was a socialist, wrong again. He was a national socialist, a dictator, and a monster. One of the first things the nazis did was force democratic socialist to wear red triangles, and they were some of the first sent to the concentration camps. So if your going to compare a group of people that wants democratic social reform, at least have the decency to compare them to Tommy Douglas, and not the guy with the funny mustache that tied to kill all the democratic socialist in his own country.

Check please!

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Only hum Religion can be used for good, or evil.(hum???)
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I will most certainly correct my spelling,Thank You for pointing that out. While we are on the subject I believe you Googled not Google.
Have you finished your homework (documentation)??
Your second paragraph rant does not belong in this thread please show some respect and stay on subject.You could start another thread, I am sure if you do you will have your answers from many sources. I thank you in advance for your anticipated courtesy to the membership.

My original post does not contain, or ever did contain, the "Only hum Religion" mistake your pointing out. In fact I'll share with you a little secrete. I find the argument "it's bad because it's socialist" so boring, mundane, and generic that I often copy, and paste my rebuttal to such arguments from my own blog, and ireports. If that error ever existed someone would have pointed it out over a week ago when I posted my "United We Stand, Divided We Fall Flat On Our.... " article on Aug 8th, the article where that "If your argument is" paragraph originates from.

So nice try, but you fail at making me look like an idiot by quoting me then adding in blatant errors on your own. Come back when you can actually defend your position with rational, factual, arguments, as opposed to the malarkey you just tried.

Beer me!

 

[PeterS]

your doctors malpractice ins might have required him to do these extra visits
and not your insurance there could have been a ton of other factors as well

The first thing I did was to request that all the surgeries be performed together--because with the second I had a scheduling conflict and the third went into the new year and would require a new deductible. She couldn't do it because my provider would only pay her for one procedure if performed together. I don't blame her and she did a very good job--I would check happy if asked about my health care but I am not happy with my empty wallet. By the way, my father-in-law is happy with his health care and even happier with his fatter wallet...

ah, let me guess, your health insurance is Cigna they suck why anyone still uses them for more than a year is astounding to me

No, TRW and I have no clue who they are. They are just the latest in a string of 'low cost' providers my employer has found but I use them because that is who my employer chose and if next they choose Cigna that's who it will be...as astounding as that sounds...

 

[Keith_J_Lemire]

The first thing I did was to request that all the surgeries be performed together--because with the second I had a scheduling conflict and the third went into the new year and would require a new deductible. She couldn't do it because my provider would only pay her for one procedure if performed together. I don't blame her and she did a very good job--I would check happy if asked about my health care but I am not happy with my empty wallet. By the way, my father-in-law is happy with his health care and even happier with his fatter wallet...

ah, let me guess, your health insurance is Cigna they suck why anyone still uses them for more than a year is astounding to me

No, TRW and I have no clue who they are. They are just the latest in a string of 'low cost' providers my employer has found but I use them because that is who my employer chose and if next they choose Cigna that's who it will be...as astounding as that sounds...

A lot of 'low cost' outfits are just subsidiaries of larger companies. They do this to protect them selves from multi-million dollar law suits.

 

[DiveCon]

The first thing I did was to request that all the surgeries be performed together--because with the second I had a scheduling conflict and the third went into the new year and would require a new deductible. She couldn't do it because my provider would only pay her for one procedure if performed together. I don't blame her and she did a very good job--I would check happy if asked about my health care but I am not happy with my empty wallet. By the way, my father-in-law is happy with his health care and even happier with his fatter wallet...

ah, let me guess, your health insurance is Cigna they suck why anyone still uses them for more than a year is astounding to me

No, TRW and I have no clue who they are. They are just the latest in a string of 'low cost' providers my employer has found but I use them because that is who my employer chose and if next they choose Cigna that's who it will be...as astounding as that sounds...

i mean i dont know why COMPANIES still use them when they treat their employees like SHIT
the employees dont have much choice

 

[OLJinhoist]

OLJinhoist

By the way it's Norman Mattoon Thomas, not Norman Matoon Thomas. I know this because I google his name the moment I saw your quote and I'm reading about him now.

But beyond that explain to us how socialist ideals are uncompilable with the ideals of democratic republic. Why is socialism bad? If your argument is socialism is evil your wrong. Only hum Religion can be used for good, or evil. Weapons can be used for good, or evil. Law enforcement can be used for good, or evil, and in fact, our law enforcement is socialized. If your argument is because Hitler was a socialist, wrong again. He was a national socialist, a dictator, and a monster. One of the first things the nazis did was force democratic socialist to wear red triangles, and they were some of the first sent to the concentration camps. So if your going to compare a group of people that wants democratic social reform, at least have the decency to compare them to Tommy Douglas, and not the guy with the funny mustache that tied to kill all the democratic socialist in his own country.

Check please!

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Only hum Religion can be used for good, or evil.(hum???)
______________________________________________________________________
I will most certainly correct my spelling,Thank You for pointing that out. While we are on the subject I believe you Googled not Google.
Have you finished your homework (documentation)??
Your second paragraph rant does not belong in this thread please show some respect and stay on subject.You could start another thread, I am sure if you do you will have your answers from many sources. I thank you in advance for your anticipated courtesy to the membership.

My original post does not contain, or ever did contain, the "Only hum Religion" mistake your pointing out. In fact I'll share with you a little secrete. I find the argument "it's bad because it's socialist" so boring, mundane, and generic that I often copy, and paste my rebuttal to such arguments from my own blog, and ireports. If that error ever existed someone would have pointed it out over a week ago when I posted my "United We Stand, Divided We Fall Flat On Our.... " article on Aug 8th, the article where that "If your argument is" paragraph originates from.

So nice try, but you fail at making me look like an idiot by quoting me then adding in blatant errors on your own. Come back when you can actually defend your position with rational, factual, arguments, as opposed to the malarkey you just tried.

Beer me!

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2nd paragraph 3rd sentance. Enough of you pal see ya

 

[veritas]

And since these noob assholes won't do their own homework and blindly belive everything the messiah tells them, i give you this little gem:

CBO Could be Hurt Badly By Health Care Debate | Capital Gains and Games

The CBO has been WRONG on the numbers for decades, and these damn fools take Obama's word when he cites...wait for it....THE CBO!

POTUS SHOULD be using the OMB
not the CBO

I'm sure you've already sent the complaint to the appropriate recipients in triplicate, complete with links and accompanying diatribe.

 

[DiveCon]

And since these noob assholes won't do their own homework and blindly belive everything the messiah tells them, i give you this little gem:

CBO Could be Hurt Badly By Health Care Debate | Capital Gains and Games

The CBO has been WRONG on the numbers for decades, and these damn fools take Obama's word when he cites...wait for it....THE CBO!

POTUS SHOULD be using the OMB
not the CBO

I'm sure you've already sent the complaint to the appropriate recipients in triplicate, complete with links and accompanying diatribe.

which is the executive and which is legislative?

 

[veritas]

POTUS SHOULD be using the OMB
not the CBO

I'm sure you've already sent the complaint to the appropriate recipients in triplicate, complete with links and accompanying diatribe.

which is the executive and which is legislative?

So you are saying that the OMB would be more believable than the CBO for Obama to cite? Why wouldn't it be more believable for the Executive branch to quote the Legislative branch's source? If Obama had quoted the OMB, then you would have yelled "VESTED INTEREST!!!".

You don't like it either way. It's not a true measure of what is arguable from the standpoint that you're going to discount who ran the figures is it? What else ya gots?

 

[DiveCon]

I'm sure you've already sent the complaint to the appropriate recipients in triplicate, complete with links and accompanying diatribe.

which is the executive and which is legislative?

So you are saying that the OMB would be more believable than the CBO for Obama to cite? Why wouldn't it be more believable for the Executive branch to quote the Legislative branch's source? If Obama had quoted the OMB, then you would have yelled "VESTED INTEREST!!!".

You don't like it either way. It's not a true measure of what is arguable from the standpoint that you're going to discount who ran the figures is it? What else ya gots?

nope
not saying that at all
but HIS OMB should be trying to be more accurate

 

[veritas]

but HIS OMB should be trying to be more accurate

How does "his OMB" [trying to be more accurate] make the CBO's analysis wrong or irrelevant or unreliable or [less quotable]?

 

[DiveCon]

but HIS OMB should be trying to be more accurate

How does "his OMB" [trying to be more accurate] make the CBO's analysis wrong or irrelevant or unreliable or [less quotable]?

it doesnt, asshole
but he SHOULD be using his OWN OMB
what part of that dont you understand
if he is going to use the CBO, why not just shut down the OMB and save the tax payers some money

 

[Keith_J_Lemire]

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Only hum Religion can be used for good, or evil.(hum???)
______________________________________________________________________
I will most certainly correct my spelling,Thank You for pointing that out. While we are on the subject I believe you Googled not Google.
Have you finished your homework (documentation)??
Your second paragraph rant does not belong in this thread please show some respect and stay on subject.You could start another thread, I am sure if you do you will have your answers from many sources. I thank you in advance for your anticipated courtesy to the membership.

My original post does not contain, or ever did contain, the "Only hum Religion" mistake your pointing out. In fact I'll share with you a little secrete. I find the argument "it's bad because it's socialist" so boring, mundane, and generic that I often copy, and paste my rebuttal to such arguments from my own blog, and ireports. If that error ever existed someone would have pointed it out over a week ago when I posted my "United We Stand, Divided We Fall Flat On Our.... " article on Aug 8th, the article where that "If your argument is" paragraph originates from.

So nice try, but you fail at making me look like an idiot by quoting me then adding in blatant errors on your own. Come back when you can actually defend your position with rational, factual, arguments, as opposed to the malarkey you just tried.

Beer me!

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2nd paragraph 3rd sentance. Enough of you pal see ya

Hahaha I can post links now!

My original post that you are misquoting. Here.

My iReport that has the same paragraph, and a time stamp showing it has not been modified since Aug 9th. Here.

Notice how the error does not exist in either one.

And for good measure!
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I know misquoting is a common, and masterly perfected, tactic used by the wing-nut right, and loons in general, but you are really doing it very very poorly.

Hmmm just noticed who ever posted the video misspelled Peeno with Pino. A little ironic after all this...

 

[veritas]

but HIS OMB should be trying to be more accurate

How does "his OMB" [trying to be more accurate] make the CBO's analysis wrong or irrelevant or unreliable or [less quotable]?

it doesnt, asshole
but he SHOULD be using his OWN OMB
what part of that dont you understand
if he is going to use the CBO, why not just shut down the OMB and save the tax payers some money

I think both are being utilized concurrently with different models to examine. You think the CBO is napping while the OMB is working [or vice versa] ? Besides, since you so clearly don't understand the workings of the CBO.......they were assessing the impact of a particular scenario which the House committee tasked them with...SINCE bills come from Congress not the WH, the President [executive] either ratfies or vetoes. Your minutiae are irrelevant at best, erroneous in fact.