Deal with Iran

[theDoctorisIn]

North Korea doesn't have a working bomb to sell, and Pakistan has no love for Iran and would never sell them one.

Pakistan is probably going to sell nukes to Saudi Arabia, though.

If I may say BULLSHIT! We have NO WAY of knowing what N.Korea has, just as we have no IDEA what MONEY spent by Iran can buy!

Perhaps this can help you, but I doubt it, although others will understand!

Of course we do. Any time there's a nuclear explosion anywhere in the world, the US knows about it within seconds - how big its yield is, etc etc.

NK has tested 3 bombs, ever. The first test was a clear fizzle, and the second two also likely fizzles, since neither had a yield of more than 4 kilotons.

(For reference, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 10 kT, and the biggest bomb ever tested was 75,000 kT)

They've ALREADY tested SEVERAL, they need not TEST anymore!...Even a SMALL ONE, on one of the ICBM's would cause havoc. You apparently don't understand this, and they don't have to land to do their damage! EMP, is more of a bitch than the actual physical damage!

That's not how it works. Every time you build a new type of bomb, you have to test it - hence the reason that the US has performed thousands of nuclear tests, as opposed to NK's 3.

If you don't test it, you don't know if it works - and so far, the tests that NK has done have shown that their bombs don't work very well.

The biggest bomb that NK has built is less than half the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

And in your qualified estimation, and since we do know N.K. HAS ICBM's, what would a TINY, LITTLE, FUCKING bomb like that do to our electrical systems?

North Korea does not have any ICBMs that can reach the US, but if they did, a bomb of the size they have would deal significant damage to about 30 or so blocks of Manhattan. It's yield would be too small to have a significant EMP effect, which requires much larger weapons and high-altitude rockets, neither of which North Korea possesses, or is capable of building.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Your opinion on my "intellectual credibility" is even less relevant to reality than your opinion on world affairs.

Is there a way to ignore you, or is that why you seek phony status as a "moderator?"

Nope, you can't put staff on ignore.

Does that upset you?

There's nothing wrong with prohibiting Mods from being Ignored. It's just doing so while allowing Moderators to participate in the discussion, is unreasonable.

It's the same thing as demanding that Citizens should be disarmed while the State is Armed to the Teeth.

Your idea of what is "reasonable" or not is irrelevant, pubes.

No one is forcing you to respond to my posts.

I own you, clitoris.

That you 'feel' otherwise, is what is irrelevant.

*pats head*

Whatever you say, pubes.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Is there a way to ignore you, or is that why you seek phony status as a "moderator?"

Nope, you can't put staff on ignore.

Does that upset you?

There's nothing wrong with prohibiting Mods from being Ignored. It's just doing so while allowing Moderators to participate in the discussion, is unreasonable.

It's the same thing as demanding that Citizens should be disarmed while the State is Armed to the Teeth.

Your idea of what is "reasonable" or not is irrelevant, pubes.

No one is forcing you to respond to my posts.

I own you, Clitoris.

That you 'feel' otherwise, is what is irrelevant.

*pats head*

Whatever you say, pubes.

Well, that ain't much, but in fairness to you, I expect it was the best you could do, Clit...

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[Vigilante]

If I may say BULLSHIT! We have NO WAY of knowing what N.Korea has, just as we have no IDEA what MONEY spent by Iran can buy!

Perhaps this can help you, but I doubt it, although others will understand!

Of course we do. Any time there's a nuclear explosion anywhere in the world, the US knows about it within seconds - how big its yield is, etc etc.

NK has tested 3 bombs, ever. The first test was a clear fizzle, and the second two also likely fizzles, since neither had a yield of more than 4 kilotons.

(For reference, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 10 kT, and the biggest bomb ever tested was 75,000 kT)

They've ALREADY tested SEVERAL, they need not TEST anymore!...Even a SMALL ONE, on one of the ICBM's would cause havoc. You apparently don't understand this, and they don't have to land to do their damage! EMP, is more of a bitch than the actual physical damage!

That's not how it works. Every time you build a new type of bomb, you have to test it - hence the reason that the US has performed thousands of nuclear tests, as opposed to NK's 3.

If you don't test it, you don't know if it works - and so far, the tests that NK has done have shown that their bombs don't work very well.

The biggest bomb that NK has built is less than half the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

And in your qualified estimation, and since we do know N.K. HAS ICBM's, what would a TINY, LITTLE, FUCKING bomb like that do to our electrical systems?

North Korea does not have any ICBMs that can reach the US, but if they did, a bomb of the size they have would deal significant damage to about 30 or so blocks of Manhattan. It's yield would be too small to have a significant EMP effect, which requires much larger weapons and high-altitude rockets, neither of which North Korea possesses, or is capable of building.

N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank ...
news.yahoo.com/n-korea-may-closer-full-icbm-test-us-020239314.html
Jul 29, 2014 · N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank. July 29, 2014 10:02 PM ... Development of a working ICBM would be a game-changing step, ...
Been known for years now...

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-10-26-emp_N.htm
Oct 26, 2010 · At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of ... Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than ... building surge dangerous to power ...

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Obama doesn't give a fig about Congress.

The prick has his pen

That's enough for him.

There is more than one way to get around a bunch of whiney republicans.

Yeah... those two felt the same way.

Let me help ya through it.

They Started off preaching "HOPE AND CHANGE":

He felt he could go it alone too... like his modern iteration, there on the right... .

Sadly for it, that didn't pan out and ended in this: (This was before they were burned... but you don't want to see that picture.)

Now that you're up to speed, do ya see how that works?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Of course we do. Any time there's a nuclear explosion anywhere in the world, the US knows about it within seconds - how big its yield is, etc etc.

NK has tested 3 bombs, ever. The first test was a clear fizzle, and the second two also likely fizzles, since neither had a yield of more than 4 kilotons.

(For reference, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 10 kT, and the biggest bomb ever tested was 75,000 kT)

They've ALREADY tested SEVERAL, they need not TEST anymore!...Even a SMALL ONE, on one of the ICBM's would cause havoc. You apparently don't understand this, and they don't have to land to do their damage! EMP, is more of a bitch than the actual physical damage!

That's not how it works. Every time you build a new type of bomb, you have to test it - hence the reason that the US has performed thousands of nuclear tests, as opposed to NK's 3.

If you don't test it, you don't know if it works - and so far, the tests that NK has done have shown that their bombs don't work very well.

The biggest bomb that NK has built is less than half the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

And in your qualified estimation, and since we do know N.K. HAS ICBM's, what would a TINY, LITTLE, FUCKING bomb like that do to our electrical systems?

North Korea does not have any ICBMs that can reach the US, but if they did, a bomb of the size they have would deal significant damage to about 30 or so blocks of Manhattan. It's yield would be too small to have a significant EMP effect, which requires much larger weapons and high-altitude rockets, neither of which North Korea possesses, or is capable of building.

N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank ...
news.yahoo.com/n-korea-may-closer-full-icbm-test-us-020239314.html
Jul 29, 2014 · N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank. July 29, 2014 10:02 PM ... Development of a working ICBM would be a game-changing step, ...
Been known for years now...

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-10-26-emp_N.htm
Oct 26, 2010 · At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of ... Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than ... building surge dangerous to power ...

You realize that both of those articles confirm what I've said?

NK doesn't have an ICBM until they successfully test one - which they have not.

Your article about EMPs references the only two high-altitude tests ever performed on Earth - both detonations occurring at a higher altitude than NK is capable of reaching and bombs with yields 100 times bigger - and neither of those bombs produced the fear-mongering effects that the article claims.

 

[Vigilante]

They've ALREADY tested SEVERAL, they need not TEST anymore!...Even a SMALL ONE, on one of the ICBM's would cause havoc. You apparently don't understand this, and they don't have to land to do their damage! EMP, is more of a bitch than the actual physical damage!

That's not how it works. Every time you build a new type of bomb, you have to test it - hence the reason that the US has performed thousands of nuclear tests, as opposed to NK's 3.

If you don't test it, you don't know if it works - and so far, the tests that NK has done have shown that their bombs don't work very well.

The biggest bomb that NK has built is less than half the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

And in your qualified estimation, and since we do know N.K. HAS ICBM's, what would a TINY, LITTLE, FUCKING bomb like that do to our electrical systems?

North Korea does not have any ICBMs that can reach the US, but if they did, a bomb of the size they have would deal significant damage to about 30 or so blocks of Manhattan. It's yield would be too small to have a significant EMP effect, which requires much larger weapons and high-altitude rockets, neither of which North Korea possesses, or is capable of building.

N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank ...
news.yahoo.com/n-korea-may-closer-full-icbm-test-us-020239314.html
Jul 29, 2014 · N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank. July 29, 2014 10:02 PM ... Development of a working ICBM would be a game-changing step, ...
Been known for years now...

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-10-26-emp_N.htm
Oct 26, 2010 · At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of ... Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than ... building surge dangerous to power ...

You realize that both of those articles confirm what I've said?

NK doesn't have an ICBM until they successfully test one - which they have not.

Your article about EMPs references the only two high-altitude tests ever performed on Earth - both detonations occurring at a higher altitude than NK is capable of reaching and bombs with yields 100 times bigger - and neither of those bombs produced the fear-mongering effects that the article claims.

But as with Global warming, it's settled science as to what it can and will do!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

That's not how it works. Every time you build a new type of bomb, you have to test it - hence the reason that the US has performed thousands of nuclear tests, as opposed to NK's 3.

If you don't test it, you don't know if it works - and so far, the tests that NK has done have shown that their bombs don't work very well.

The biggest bomb that NK has built is less than half the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

And in your qualified estimation, and since we do know N.K. HAS ICBM's, what would a TINY, LITTLE, FUCKING bomb like that do to our electrical systems?

North Korea does not have any ICBMs that can reach the US, but if they did, a bomb of the size they have would deal significant damage to about 30 or so blocks of Manhattan. It's yield would be too small to have a significant EMP effect, which requires much larger weapons and high-altitude rockets, neither of which North Korea possesses, or is capable of building.

N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank ...
news.yahoo.com/n-korea-may-closer-full-icbm-test-us-020239314.html
Jul 29, 2014 · N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank. July 29, 2014 10:02 PM ... Development of a working ICBM would be a game-changing step, ...
Been known for years now...

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-10-26-emp_N.htm
Oct 26, 2010 · At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of ... Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than ... building surge dangerous to power ...

You realize that both of those articles confirm what I've said?

NK doesn't have an ICBM until they successfully test one - which they have not.

Your article about EMPs references the only two high-altitude tests ever performed on Earth - both detonations occurring at a higher altitude than NK is capable of reaching and bombs with yields 100 times bigger - and neither of those bombs produced the fear-mongering effects that the article claims.

But as with Global warming, it's settled science as to what it can and will do!

You're really going to go with the "science can be wrong" argument?

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

They've ALREADY tested SEVERAL, they need not TEST anymore!...Even a SMALL ONE, on one of the ICBM's would cause havoc. You apparently don't understand this, and they don't have to land to do their damage! EMP, is more of a bitch than the actual physical damage!

That's not how it works. Every time you build a new type of bomb, you have to test it - hence the reason that the US has performed thousands of nuclear tests, as opposed to NK's 3.

If you don't test it, you don't know if it works - and so far, the tests that NK has done have shown that their bombs don't work very well.

The biggest bomb that NK has built is less than half the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

And in your qualified estimation, and since we do know N.K. HAS ICBM's, what would a TINY, LITTLE, FUCKING bomb like that do to our electrical systems?

North Korea does not have any ICBMs that can reach the US, but if they did, a bomb of the size they have would deal significant damage to about 30 or so blocks of Manhattan. It's yield would be too small to have a significant EMP effect, which requires much larger weapons and high-altitude rockets, neither of which North Korea possesses, or is capable of building.

N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank ...
news.yahoo.com/n-korea-may-closer-full-icbm-test-us-020239314.html
Jul 29, 2014 · N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank. July 29, 2014 10:02 PM ... Development of a working ICBM would be a game-changing step, ...
Been known for years now...

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-10-26-emp_N.htm
Oct 26, 2010 · At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of ... Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than ... building surge dangerous to power ...

You realize that both of those articles confirm what I've said?

NK doesn't have an ICBM until they successfully test one - which they have not.

Your article about EMPs references the only two high-altitude tests ever performed on Earth - both detonations occurring at a higher altitude than NK is capable of reaching and bombs with yields 100 times bigger - and neither of those bombs produced the fear-mongering effects that the article claims.

So, the question becomes, should a person who "believes" that paying a person to not work will inspire them to seek gainful employment, and that the earth is on the verge of Climatic Collapse because the Climate is "Changing", be considered on matters of the Nuclear capability of a Nation State that Bill Clinton provided our very BEST Nuclear technology?

ROFL! I gotta say, that's about as solid as getting one's view on God, from an Anti-Theist.

 

[Vigilante]

And in your qualified estimation, and since we do know N.K. HAS ICBM's, what would a TINY, LITTLE, FUCKING bomb like that do to our electrical systems?

North Korea does not have any ICBMs that can reach the US, but if they did, a bomb of the size they have would deal significant damage to about 30 or so blocks of Manhattan. It's yield would be too small to have a significant EMP effect, which requires much larger weapons and high-altitude rockets, neither of which North Korea possesses, or is capable of building.

N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank ...
news.yahoo.com/n-korea-may-closer-full-icbm-test-us-020239314.html
Jul 29, 2014 · N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank. July 29, 2014 10:02 PM ... Development of a working ICBM would be a game-changing step, ...
Been known for years now...

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-10-26-emp_N.htm
Oct 26, 2010 · At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of ... Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than ... building surge dangerous to power ...

You realize that both of those articles confirm what I've said?

NK doesn't have an ICBM until they successfully test one - which they have not.

Your article about EMPs references the only two high-altitude tests ever performed on Earth - both detonations occurring at a higher altitude than NK is capable of reaching and bombs with yields 100 times bigger - and neither of those bombs produced the fear-mongering effects that the article claims.

But as with Global warming, it's settled science as to what it can and will do!

You're really going to go with the "science can be wrong" argument?

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

I am? Seems we recently found out that the universe is much bigger than originally thought! Oh, is that science?

Universe Larger Than Thought - Universe Galaxies And Stars ...
www.universe-galaxies-stars.com/n-archive_332_print.html
Astronomers recently calculated the distance to the relatively nearby Galaxy M33 (aka the Triangulum Galaxy) as being about 15% further than previously estimated.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

At the end of the Day Reader, the Left's President has sold the US national Security out to our enemies. (Formally speaking, of course... )

 

[BULLDOG]

Obama doesn't give a fig about Congress.

The prick has his pen

That's enough for him.

There is more than one way to get around a bunch of whiney republicans.

Yeah... those two felt the same way.

Let me help ya through it.

They Started off preaching "HOPE AND CHANGE":

He felt he could go it alone too... like his modern iteration, there on the right... .

Sadly for it, that didn't pan out and ended in this: (This was before they were burned... but you don't want to see that picture.)

Now that you're up to speed, do ya see how that works?

Are you saying our president should be murdered?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

North Korea does not have any ICBMs that can reach the US, but if they did, a bomb of the size they have would deal significant damage to about 30 or so blocks of Manhattan. It's yield would be too small to have a significant EMP effect, which requires much larger weapons and high-altitude rockets, neither of which North Korea possesses, or is capable of building.

N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank ...
news.yahoo.com/n-korea-may-closer-full-icbm-test-us-020239314.html
Jul 29, 2014 · N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank. July 29, 2014 10:02 PM ... Development of a working ICBM would be a game-changing step, ...
Been known for years now...

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-10-26-emp_N.htm
Oct 26, 2010 · At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of ... Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than ... building surge dangerous to power ...

You realize that both of those articles confirm what I've said?

NK doesn't have an ICBM until they successfully test one - which they have not.

Your article about EMPs references the only two high-altitude tests ever performed on Earth - both detonations occurring at a higher altitude than NK is capable of reaching and bombs with yields 100 times bigger - and neither of those bombs produced the fear-mongering effects that the article claims.

But as with Global warming, it's settled science as to what it can and will do!

You're really going to go with the "science can be wrong" argument?

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

I am? Seems we recently found out that the universe is much bigger than originally thought! Oh, is that science?

Universe Larger Than Thought - Universe Galaxies And Stars ...
www.universe-galaxies-stars.com/n-archive_332_print.html
Astronomers recently calculated the distance to the relatively nearby Galaxy M33 (aka the Triangulum Galaxy) as being about 15% further than previously estimated.

I wonder if you realize that you're arguing against your own position.

 

[Votto]

I am still waiting for you to make your case

I don't have to make my case, I'm agreeing with the legal consensus.

The legal consensus tells us that corporations are people and it once told us that slavery was legal.

I'm still awaiting for you to splain how the legal consensus says this is not a treaty this go round

I, and many other posters, have explained it in many other threads. But I'll do so again, if it will help.

The NPT, which the US ratified 40 years ago, includes it's own mechanisms in which to adjudecate and manage violations of the treaty. These negotiations, and the "deal" are results of that mechanism, put in place by a previously ratified treaty that gave the power to regulate itself to the P5+1.

It is not a "treaty" because it's not a "new" arraigment between the US and Iran - it's a re-adjustment of an existing arraignment between the IAEA and Iran.

So essentially POTUS has found a way to weasel around the need for a treaty through Executive Agreements, much like he already does with the Executive Order, neither of which are Constitutional.

He didn't "find a way" to do anything - the negotiations have gone forward exactly in the way they were defined in the NPT.

In addition, neither "executive agreements" nor "executive orders" are "unconstitutional", and both have been used by every President we've ever had.

Where then are they in the Constitution?

Please cite the passage.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I don't have to make my case, I'm agreeing with the legal consensus.

The legal consensus tells us that corporations are people and it once told us that slavery was legal.

I'm still awaiting for you to splain how the legal consensus says this is not a treaty this go round

I, and many other posters, have explained it in many other threads. But I'll do so again, if it will help.

The NPT, which the US ratified 40 years ago, includes it's own mechanisms in which to adjudecate and manage violations of the treaty. These negotiations, and the "deal" are results of that mechanism, put in place by a previously ratified treaty that gave the power to regulate itself to the P5+1.

It is not a "treaty" because it's not a "new" arraigment between the US and Iran - it's a re-adjustment of an existing arraignment between the IAEA and Iran.

So essentially POTUS has found a way to weasel around the need for a treaty through Executive Agreements, much like he already does with the Executive Order, neither of which are Constitutional.

He didn't "find a way" to do anything - the negotiations have gone forward exactly in the way they were defined in the NPT.

In addition, neither "executive agreements" nor "executive orders" are "unconstitutional", and both have been used by every President we've ever had.

Where then are they in the Constitution?

Please cite the passage.

The internet isn't in the Constitution, either. Does that make it unconstitutional?

As I've already said, you're arguing against precedent that goes back to the founding of this country.

George Washington made "sole executive agreements" and "executive orders".

 

[Votto]

The legal consensus tells us that corporations are people and it once told us that slavery was legal.

I'm still awaiting for you to splain how the legal consensus says this is not a treaty this go round

I, and many other posters, have explained it in many other threads. But I'll do so again, if it will help.

The NPT, which the US ratified 40 years ago, includes it's own mechanisms in which to adjudecate and manage violations of the treaty. These negotiations, and the "deal" are results of that mechanism, put in place by a previously ratified treaty that gave the power to regulate itself to the P5+1.

It is not a "treaty" because it's not a "new" arraigment between the US and Iran - it's a re-adjustment of an existing arraignment between the IAEA and Iran.

So essentially POTUS has found a way to weasel around the need for a treaty through Executive Agreements, much like he already does with the Executive Order, neither of which are Constitutional.

He didn't "find a way" to do anything - the negotiations have gone forward exactly in the way they were defined in the NPT.

In addition, neither "executive agreements" nor "executive orders" are "unconstitutional", and both have been used by every President we've ever had.

Where then are they in the Constitution?

Please cite the passage.

The internet isn't in the Constitution, either. Does that make it unconstitutional?

As I've already said, you're arguing against precedent that goes back to the founding of this country.

George Washington made "sole executive agreements" and "executive orders".

The Constitution discusses how a treaty with another country should be carried out, but says nothing of the internet.

How is this deal not a treaty again?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I, and many other posters, have explained it in many other threads. But I'll do so again, if it will help.

The NPT, which the US ratified 40 years ago, includes it's own mechanisms in which to adjudecate and manage violations of the treaty. These negotiations, and the "deal" are results of that mechanism, put in place by a previously ratified treaty that gave the power to regulate itself to the P5+1.

It is not a "treaty" because it's not a "new" arraigment between the US and Iran - it's a re-adjustment of an existing arraignment between the IAEA and Iran.

So essentially POTUS has found a way to weasel around the need for a treaty through Executive Agreements, much like he already does with the Executive Order, neither of which are Constitutional.

He didn't "find a way" to do anything - the negotiations have gone forward exactly in the way they were defined in the NPT.

In addition, neither "executive agreements" nor "executive orders" are "unconstitutional", and both have been used by every President we've ever had.

Where then are they in the Constitution?

Please cite the passage.

The internet isn't in the Constitution, either. Does that make it unconstitutional?

As I've already said, you're arguing against precedent that goes back to the founding of this country.

George Washington made "sole executive agreements" and "executive orders".

The Constitution discusses how a treaty with another country should be carried out, but says nothing of the internet.

How is this deal not a treaty again?

I'm not going to repeat myself. Feel free to scroll up.

 

[Vigilante]

N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank ...
news.yahoo.com/n-korea-may-closer-full-icbm-test-us-020239314.html
Jul 29, 2014 · N. Korea may be closer to full ICBM test: US think-tank. July 29, 2014 10:02 PM ... Development of a working ICBM would be a game-changing step, ...
Been known for years now...

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-10-26-emp_N.htm
Oct 26, 2010 · At risk are the more than 200,000 miles of ... Prime blast, he notes, was at least 70 times more powerful than ... building surge dangerous to power ...

You realize that both of those articles confirm what I've said?

NK doesn't have an ICBM until they successfully test one - which they have not.

Your article about EMPs references the only two high-altitude tests ever performed on Earth - both detonations occurring at a higher altitude than NK is capable of reaching and bombs with yields 100 times bigger - and neither of those bombs produced the fear-mongering effects that the article claims.

But as with Global warming, it's settled science as to what it can and will do!

You're really going to go with the "science can be wrong" argument?

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

I am? Seems we recently found out that the universe is much bigger than originally thought! Oh, is that science?

Universe Larger Than Thought - Universe Galaxies And Stars ...
www.universe-galaxies-stars.com/n-archive_332_print.html
Astronomers recently calculated the distance to the relatively nearby Galaxy M33 (aka the Triangulum Galaxy) as being about 15% further than previously estimated.

I wonder if you realize that you're arguing against your own position.

Many times one has to wonder about the genius of the left....

James Woolsey and Peter Vincent Pry The Growing Threat From an EMP Attack - WSJ

 

[Jroc]

You do realize sanctions have been lifted right?
Now they'll have a shitload of money and an inspection agreement thats not worth shit.

No sanctions have been lifted yet.

You do know they're set to be...

Yes, they are set to be, that's the whole point of the deal. But it hasn't happened yet, and won't until IAEA inspectors say that Iran is compliant with the deal.

Of course it'll be years of hide and seek again but what the hell,who cares if they sneak in a nuclear device right?
I'll at least take solace that it will more than likely take place in one of the liberal cesspools.

You have quite an active imagination.

You realize that in order to do that, Iran would have to build a functioning device (which will be nearly impossible for them to do under scrutiny), test it (completely impossible to hide), and build a delivery system (which would also require testing that would be impossible to hide).

The idea of a "surprise" nuclear bomb from Iran is ludicrous.

Wow you're excited most all nuclear testing can be done by computer now. No actual nuclear detonation is required.

 

[Jroc]

The idea of a "surprise" nuclear bomb from Iran is ludicrous.

It doesn't have to be a "surprise" nuclear bomb. All they have to do is wait until they get their money and the sanctions are lifted, then start building one. What will the U.N. do then? NOTHING

P.S. Tell us how the nuclear deals with North Korea worked out...

The UN resolution to end the sanctions has an automatic "snap-back" provision that will re-introduce the sanctions within 30 days of any "unresolved issue" - and the only way to override that automatic snap-back would be a unanimous vote from the Security Council.

A so-called "Snap back" within 30 days is impossible You're not living in the real world

Iran knows snapback sanctions won t stop it from going nuclear - Business Insider

this guy is so excited that Iran will be a much stronger regional power. It's some kind of madness really