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Are you serious?
Reid and Pelosi are far leftist! Obama might be a little more to the center than them, but he is still very much a liberal!
Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.
Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.
I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.
Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!
Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!
Immie
Are you serious?
Reid and Pelosi are far leftist! Obama might be a little more to the center than them, but he is still very much a liberal!
The problem, and why labels are so bad, not all leftists are liberals, not all liberals are leftists, not all dems are liberals, not all cons are reps, not all scientists are atheists, not all politicians are crooked (just most), not all murderers are psychopaths, etc. etc. etc. ...
Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.
Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.
I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.
Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.
Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.
I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.
Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!
Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!
Immie
It's just so damned laughable that not a single soul on this board will admit to ever supporting George W. Bush. George who? Sorry, folks, but the odds say that most of the "conservatives" who post here most certainly DID support him at one time. But it's not a happy place to be, so you pretend you were off somewhere else during his 8 years.
People who call themselves classical liberals today tend to have the basic view of rights and role of government that Jefferson and his contemporaries had. Moreover, they do not tend to make any important distinction between economic liberties and civil liberties.
Are you serious?
Reid and Pelosi are far leftist! Obama might be a little more to the center than them, but he is still very much a liberal!
The problem, and why labels are so bad, not all leftists are liberals, not all liberals are leftists, not all dems are liberals, not all cons are reps, not all scientists are atheists, not all politicians are crooked (just most), not all murderers are psychopaths, etc. etc. etc. ...
Good point.
But left is another way of saying liberal. just as right is another name for conservative. Pelosi and Reid are definitely ultra-liberals social, on immigration, on the environment, on guns and esp their fiscal plans!
Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!
Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!
Immie
It's just so damned laughable that not a single soul on this board will admit to ever supporting George W. Bush. George who? Sorry, folks, but the odds say that most of the "conservatives" who post here most certainly DID support him at one time. But it's not a happy place to be, so you pretend you were off somewhere else during his 8 years.
you're funny. believe it or not i am one of the most liberal people here in that I believe personal liberties and freedoms are of the utmost importance.
What Is Classical*Liberalism?
People who call themselves classical liberals today tend to have the basic view of rights and role of government that Jefferson and his contemporaries had. Moreover, they do not tend to make any important distinction between economic liberties and civil liberties.
that any democrat can call themselves liberal is laughable
They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...
Dave, remember the shooting range? Its windy. You have to adjust. If Obama is as far left as you can get, then what is Chomsky and Nader? What is the American Socialist party? The Green Party? They're even more liberal than the three I named.
By voting record.. Obama was the most liberal in congress.. and that says something.. his reference to socialist texts and concepts has been continual...
He is DAMN far left.. maybe not a 'pure' socialist... but loves the concepts and ideals and is a direct neighbor of the socialists
Want to know all about Obama? Go here and browse around. Click the bottom link on B.O. on the left. Check out his past, his associations, his ideology, etc. He's LEFT, of that there is no doubt. He'a a Centrist . . .
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewIndividuals.asp
Wow...nice little hit site that is. If I wanted to know "all about" Barack Obama, I'd go to a site that wasn't so nakedly partisan. Major alliance with Bill Ayers? Nice lie there.
Want to know all about Obama? Go here and browse around. Click the bottom link on B.O. on the left. Check out his past, his associations, his ideology, etc. He's LEFT, of that there is no doubt. He'a a Centrist . . .
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewIndividuals.asp
Wow...nice little hit site that is. If I wanted to know "all about" Barack Obama, I'd go to a site that wasn't so nakedly partisan. Major alliance with Bill Ayers? Nice lie there.
yeah.. you always launch a campaign from a house of someone that you don't know
Yeah... as stated.. you don't just go doing things like that without knowing or associating with the person first... Obama supporters and Obama scurried to cover tracks from that one.. as well as being on the same executive board, etc...
It it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, lays eggs like a duck, swims like a duck, and tastes like a duck.. odds are it's a duck
And for every claim your way.. there is analysis the other...
THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION at DickMorris.com
And lest we forget Obama's love of Alinsky's philosophies
Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.
Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.
I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.
And for every claim your way.. there is analysis the other...
THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION at DickMorris.com
And lest we forget Obama's love of Alinsky's philosophies
Facts, my friend, not DICK-MORRIS-TYPE OPINIONS based on rightie propagandized material. Do you still not know the difference? I'll bet you'd know it if I posted something quoted from DailyKos!!
And for every claim your way.. there is analysis the other...
THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION at DickMorris.com
And lest we forget Obama's love of Alinsky's philosophies
Actually that doesn't say he launched anything from Ayers living room, merely that he was associated with Ayers. And so the fuck what? Ayers now writes books on education and is a college professor. Ooooooooh, scary.
Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.
Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.
I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.
Anyone who wants government ownership of auto makers is pretty damn liberal.
It could be argued that the strong armed tactics used on the banks and the bankruptcy court regarding Chrysler are fascist, but then liberalism is fascist.
Using taxes, even sin taxes, to transfer wealth from a 'disdained group' to a favored group is liberal. (Rich to poor; smokers to SCHIP; pop to health care...)
Demonizing groups of people, (over $200k), to effect change of wealth distribution is liberal.
Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.
Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.
I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.
And for every claim your way.. there is analysis the other...
THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION at DickMorris.com
And lest we forget Obama's love of Alinsky's philosophies
Actually that doesn't say he launched anything from Ayers living room, merely that he was associated with Ayers. And so the fuck what? Ayers now writes books on education and is a college professor. Ooooooooh, scary.
Ayers is a scumbag terrorist. But I can see why you lefties like him. He fits the mold. If you don't agree with the government, protest violently.
His ass should still be in prison. Period.
Yes it is, read what he has said.Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.
Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.
I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.
Anyone who wants government ownership of auto makers is pretty damn liberal.
It could be argued that the strong armed tactics used on the banks and the bankruptcy court regarding Chrysler are fascist, but then liberalism is fascist.
Using taxes, even sin taxes, to transfer wealth from a 'disdained group' to a favored group is liberal. (Rich to poor; smokers to SCHIP; pop to health care...)
Demonizing groups of people, (over $200k), to effect change of wealth distribution is liberal.
Obama doesn't want to own the auto industries, but he also doesn't want to fuck the economy over. Indeed, he does, via quick sale to Fiat after forcing the end of rule of law regarding bankruptcies.
Fascist? Exactly how is not letting hudge funds rape Chrysler facist? Rape Chrysler? They were the ones providing capital until 1/20/09. Then HE came on the scene, and said, "Fuck you! My supporters are getting what they voted for. Problem is, lots of those hedge fund managers did too and now are going public.
Tax transfer isn't from "disdained groups" to "favored groups". Its from people who have money, to those who need money. And sin taxes are to prevent people from engaging in the sin. Bullshit to the first. On the second, IF everyone stopped smoking, drinking pop, etc., then they'd have to come up with new 'demons', maybe you?
Nobody has been demonizing people who make over 200k. They've been demonizing AIG, and some hedge funds and the like. Taxing isn't the same as demonizing.
