Could We Please Stop Calling Obama, Reid, and Pelosi Liberals?

[Gunny]

Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.

Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.

I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.

I almost agree. They're leftists, not centrists.

 

[Newby]

They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...

Dave, remember the shooting range? Its windy. You have to adjust. If Obama is as far left as you can get, then what is Chomsky and Nader? What is the American Socialist party? The Green Party? They're even more liberal than the three I named.

What Obama's idealogy is, and what he knows he can accomplish in reality and get away with, are two completely different things.

 

[Hillbilly]

I agree with Bernie Sanders, you remember him, the Socialist Representative(now senator) who began caucusing with the Democrats a few years ago when he said that their platform had changed and was now indistinguishable from the Socialist platform.

Why do Democrats want to be called moderates so much? Being a leftist pinko commie is already moderate for them, what's the purpose of a distinction?

 

[DiamondDave]

They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...

Dave, remember the shooting range? Its windy. You have to adjust. If Obama is as far left as you can get, then what is Chomsky and Nader? What is the American Socialist party? The Green Party? They're even more liberal than the three I named.

By voting record.. Obama was the most liberal in congress.. and that says something.. his reference to socialist texts and concepts has been continual...

He is DAMN far left.. maybe not a 'pure' socialist... but loves the concepts and ideals and is a direct neighbor of the socialists

 

[Zoom-boing]

Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about.

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They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...

Really?

So has he ended the war yet? Has he stopped DADT? Has he fully funded all social programs? Has he funded Legal Aid to 1970's levels yet? Come out for gay marriage? Tried to repeal DOMA?

And those are just a few issues.

Hey, he's only been at it a little over 100 days . . . . give the guy a break. He can't do it all at once.

 

[KittenKoder]

As long as the independents don't have to take Rush Limbaugh ... I'm cool.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Want to know all about Obama? Go here and browse around. Click the bottom link on B.O. on the left. Check out his past, his associations, his ideology, etc. He's LEFT, of that there is no doubt. He'a a Centrist . . .

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewIndividuals.asp

 

[Coloradomtnman]

What Obama's idealogy is, and what he knows he can accomplish in reality and get away with, are two completely different things.

Good point. I wonder what Obama's ideology is. Sure, we can think its what the media has represented to us, or even by what we can contrive from Obama's statements, but is that really what he believes or just how he represents himself?

 

[Nik]

Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about.

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Really? So its liberals who want to spend stupid amounts of money on expensive toys to kill people with?

They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...

Really?

So has he ended the war yet? Has he stopped DADT? Has he fully funded all social programs? Has he funded Legal Aid to 1970's levels yet? Come out for gay marriage? Tried to repeal DOMA?

And those are just a few issues.

Hey, he's only been at it a little over 100 days . . . . give the guy a break. He can't do it all at once.

Any evidence that hes going to do any of those things anytime soon? No? Yeah, thought not.

 

[Nik]

Want to know all about Obama? Go here and browse around. Click the bottom link on B.O. on the left. Check out his past, his associations, his ideology, etc. He's LEFT, of that there is no doubt. He'a a Centrist . . .

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewIndividuals.asp

Wow...nice little hit site that is. If I wanted to know "all about" Barack Obama, I'd go to a site that wasn't so nakedly partisan. Major alliance with Bill Ayers? Nice lie there.

 

[DiamondDave]

Want to know all about Obama? Go here and browse around. Click the bottom link on B.O. on the left. Check out his past, his associations, his ideology, etc. He's LEFT, of that there is no doubt. He'a a Centrist . . .

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewIndividuals.asp

Wow...nice little hit site that is. If I wanted to know "all about" Barack Obama, I'd go to a site that wasn't so nakedly partisan. Major alliance with Bill Ayers? Nice lie there.

yeah.. you always launch a campaign from a house of someone that you don't know

 

[Nik]

Want to know all about Obama? Go here and browse around. Click the bottom link on B.O. on the left. Check out his past, his associations, his ideology, etc. He's LEFT, of that there is no doubt. He'a a Centrist . . .

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewIndividuals.asp

Wow...nice little hit site that is. If I wanted to know "all about" Barack Obama, I'd go to a site that wasn't so nakedly partisan. Major alliance with Bill Ayers? Nice lie there.

yeah.. you always launch a campaign from a house of someone that you don't know

What a surprise. Another lie.

Facts: Ayers living room, and launching Obama (Spin Cycle) - Newsday.com

 

[DiamondDave]

Yeah... as stated.. you don't just go doing things like that without knowing or associating with the person first... Obama supporters and Obama scurried to cover tracks from that one.. as well as being on the same executive board, etc...

It it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, lays eggs like a duck, swims like a duck, and tastes like a duck.. odds are it's a duck

 

[Nik]

Yeah... as stated.. you don't just go doing things like that without knowing or associating with the person first... Obama supporters and Obama scurried to cover tracks from that one.. as well as being on the same executive board, etc...

It it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, lays eggs like a duck, swims like a duck, and tastes like a duck.. odds are it's a duck

Do things like what, exactly? Just because you threw a goose into a pond with a bunch of ducks, doesn't mean its a duck. But do keep making shit up. Hes the president now, and all the righty lies in the world can't stop him now.

 

[DiamondDave]

And for every claim your way.. there is analysis the other...

THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION at DickMorris.com

And lest we forget Obama's love of Alinsky's philosophies

 

[Nik]

And for every claim your way.. there is analysis the other...

THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION at DickMorris.com

And lest we forget Obama's love of Alinsky's philosophies

Actually that doesn't say he launched anything from Ayers living room, merely that he was associated with Ayers. And so the fuck what? Ayers now writes books on education and is a college professor. Ooooooooh, scary.

 

[DiamondDave]

And for every claim your way.. there is analysis the other...

THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION at DickMorris.com

And lest we forget Obama's love of Alinsky's philosophies

Actually that doesn't say he launched anything from Ayers living room, merely that he was associated with Ayers. And so the fuck what? Ayers now writes books on education and is a college professor. Ooooooooh, scary.

Yes.. scary when an admitted terrorist is allowed to do such a thing... scary when that sort of radical has association with someone who is now the President... scary when they have an affinity with the same commie philosopher.... scary indeed

 

[Indiana Oracle]

Going back in U.S. history, perhaps best illustrated during the mid-1800s, party and theological labels have been and remain fluid. At the end of the day, it is what one is for or against and why - across the spectrum, what is currently under consideration, and what one's personal basis is for "right and wrong". No one is more right than the other.

 

[Nik]

And for every claim your way.. there is analysis the other...

THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION at DickMorris.com

And lest we forget Obama's love of Alinsky's philosophies

Actually that doesn't say he launched anything from Ayers living room, merely that he was associated with Ayers. And so the fuck what? Ayers now writes books on education and is a college professor. Ooooooooh, scary.

Yes.. scary when an admitted terrorist is allowed to do such a thing... scary when that sort of radical has association with someone who is now the President... scary when they have an affinity with the same commie philosopher.... scary indeed

Same affinity! Whoah! Man, did you know that both Osama bin laden and Obama both wear pants too! I bet we can think of more similarities as well!

Sorry, but I'm over this shit. You dumbshits brought up all this crap about guilt by association during the election. You lost. You got your ass handed to you. Go ahead and spew your shit, but I'm done with debunking this shit. Move to fucking Russia if you hate the American president so much.

 

[GHook93]

Are you serious?
Reid and Pelosi are far leftist! Obama might be a little more to the center than them, but he is still very much a liberal!