Corporations ≠ people

[Darkwind]

Laws can NOT apply to THINGS.

The fuck they can't. What do you call gun control?

Okay, funniest post of the day!

 

[Redfish]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

There is nothing logical about corporate person-hood, it is a concept that lawyers invented to give big business the political power of a person, a person that can shout down any number of actual persons, buy any amount of influence, that can never be held wholly responsible for their actions and never die.

The irony is that these fake conservatives who support corporate personhood are being the ultimate collectivists. Corporate personhood is the collectivism in the extreme.

Bullshit. If Walmart was not considered a legal person, its employees could be held liable for acts of the corporation, they could be sued individually if someone was injured in a store.

this is not anywhere near what you libtards are trying to make it.

The issue of corporate person-hood is not in the necessary limited liability of a corporation, it is in their ability to readily exercise control over government policy and buy elections far in excess of any actual person all because they have been granted special 1st amendment rights that exceed our own.

corpotate political contributions are limited. Now, would you like to talk about unions?

 

[Katzndogz]

Corporations are designated as legal "persons" in order to protect the employees from personal liability for acts of the corporation. It is a legal definition.

So that's why corporates have freedom of religion?

The shareholders of corporations have freedom or religion. WTF are you talking about? The board of directors of Hobby Lobby have individual freedom of religion and the can vote on whether their stores are open on sunday and support abortions for their employees.

But we're not talking about shareholders. Corporations themselves have religious freedom. Corporations themselves possess constitutional rights stemming from their personhood.

Not all corporations. Have religious freedom. And only limited constitutional rights. If a corporation did not have legal personhood it could not bring a lawsuit or defend one. It could not hold a patent or protect its inventions. It could not own property in its own name.

Hobby Lobby has religious freedom because it is not publicly traded. The entire company is owned by one family and they all share the same religious belief. If Hobby Lobby ever had an IPO it would lose their religious protection.

 

[Edgetho]

corpotate political contributions are limited. Now, would you like to talk about unions?

Under the eyes of the Law, Unions are considered 'persons'

A Tree can't open a checking or savings account, only a person can.

A dog can't own property, only a person can.

A House can't enter into a legal contract, only a person can.

The goobermint is also considered a legal person. So are Colleges and Universities.

Which, it seems that our board dimocraps went to some REALLY bad ones..... Universities, I mean. More like diploma mills where the idiots come out even more stupid than they went in. With only an artificial sense of having more useless knowledge than they need.

dimocraps are some stupid bitches

 

[occupied]

Laws can NOT apply to THINGS.

The fuck they can't. What do you call gun control?

It's a spurious argument, many laws pertain to the responsible use of things, guns, cars, aircraft, structures, etc. A corporation can and should be considered a thing, as they are but structures with the intended purpose of producing profit.

Other countries do just fine treating corporations as an artificial construct rather than an organic thing with god-given rights and actually hold the people in charge responsible for wrongdoing.

 

[Edgetho]

Not all corporations. Have religious freedom. And only limited constitutional rights. If a corporation did not have legal personhood it could not bring a lawsuit or defend one. It could not hold a patent or protect its inventions. It could not own property in its own name.

Hobby Lobby has religious freedom because it is not publicly traded. The entire company is owned by one family and they all share the same religious belief. If Hobby Lobby ever had an IPO it would lose their religious protection.

If a corporation is not a person, then how do you hold it responsible for environmental damage done decades earlier?

Not one single human that worked for the asbestos industry when it was first brought to the market still works there. But the corporations are still paying.

Not one single person who worked at Exxon is still in management decades after the Valdez accident..... But they're still paying for it.

Know what?

dimocraps are just stupid.

And you know what else? The SCUM that started this false meme? They knew it was false from the second they started it. THEY are educated.

dimocrap scum that take their lead from the dishonest and corrupt leaders SHOULD be mocked.

They do it to you ALL the time, you stupid little bitches.

And what else is funny?? There's two or three dimocrap scum in here that know better.

But do they step in and warn you? Nope.

Know why? Because the entire dimocrap scum movement is built on lies.

Every last thread, every last bit of misinformation. ALL of it

 

[Redfish]

Laws can NOT apply to THINGS.

The fuck they can't. What do you call gun control?

It's a spurious argument, many laws pertain to the responsible use of things, guns, cars, aircraft, structures, etc. A corporation can and should be considered a thing, as they are but structures with the intended purpose of producing profit.

Other countries do just fine treating corporations as an artificial construct rather than an organic thing with god-given rights and actually hold the people in charge responsible for wrongdoing.

^^^^^^^ignorance on display^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Edgetho]

It's a spurious argument, many laws pertain to the responsible use of things, guns, cars, aircraft, structures, etc. A corporation can and should be considered a thing, as they are but structures with the intended purpose of producing profit.

Other countries do just fine treating corporations as an artificial construct rather than an organic thing with god-given rights and actually hold the people in charge responsible for wrongdoing.

You are a lying sack of dimocrap shit. A lying piece of dimocrap filth.

Treating Corporations as persons is as old as civilization itself. It pre-dates America by HUNDREDS if not thousands of years

That's why i blow up in here. YOu scumbags just fucking lie without giving any thought whatsoever to your lie.

You are a lying scumbag

scumbag dimocrap piece of fucking shit

 

[P F Tinmore]

Can they vote? Can they get a drivers license? Can they go to jail?

 

[Edgetho]

^^^^^^^ignorance on display^^^^^^^^^^

No, Red. Not ignorance. dimocraps are lying scum.

They lie like you and I breathe. It's autonomic function with dimocrap scum.

Dogs bark, babies cry, ducks quack, dimocraps lie.

That entire post was a lie. He made it up completely out of whole cloth and is trying to pass it off as a fact.

dimocraps are lying scum.

period

 

[Edgetho]

Can they vote? Can they get a drivers license? Can they go to jail?

They are persons, not people.

You people are just fucking stupid. You really are stupid.

I mean, mouth-breathing, drool cup fucking stupid scum

 

[P F Tinmore]

Can they vote? Can they get a drivers license? Can they go to jail?

They are persons, not people.

You people are just fucking stupid. You really are stupid.

I mean, mouth-breathing, drool cup fucking stupid scum

I will believe that corporation are "persons" when Texas executes one.

 

[occupied]

^^^^^^^ignorance on display^^^^^^^^^^

No, Red. Not ignorance. dimocraps are lying scum.

They lie like you and I breathe. It's autonomic function with dimocrap scum.

Dogs bark, babies cry, ducks quack, dimocraps lie.

That entire post was a lie. He made it up completely out of whole cloth and is trying to pass it off as a fact.

dimocraps are lying scum.

period

Quit flapping your gums dick, If you like the unaccountable power big business has over our political process just say so.

 

[SwimExpert]

Laws can NOT apply to THINGS.

The fuck they can't. What do you call gun control?

It's a spurious argument, many laws pertain to the responsible use of things, guns, cars, aircraft, structures, etc. A corporation can and should be considered a thing, as they are but structures with the intended purpose of producing profit.

Other countries do just fine treating corporations as an artificial construct rather than an organic thing with god-given rights and actually hold the people in charge responsible for wrongdoing.

A corporation is a legal entity, and it needs to be recognized as such. The idea of corporate personhood was meant only to the extend that a corporation is recognized as having the same basic rights and responsibilities as it pertains to entering into agreements, and legal matters. A corporation can contract. It can sue to enforce the contract. It can be sued if it violates the contract. It has a right to representation when suing or being sued. Etc. A corporation has a right to not be searched without a warrant. A corporation can own property.

The problem is that corporate personhood has been warped and twisted into an atrocity. Now, corporations have religion. Corporations have political agendas. Corporations have a constitutionally protected right to "free speech" in the form of spending their money.

This nonsense about how a corporation "has" to have personhood in order to effect limited liability is absolutely nonsense. In reality, the limited liability establishes that the corporation is not a person, it is merely a legal abstraction existing in the minds of persons. If the corporation truly had personhood then liability would not be limited, it would be completely obfuscated. It would mean that if a CEO pulls out an AR-15 in a board room and kills everyone, the corporation would be charged with murder.

 

[SwimExpert]

Laws can NOT apply to THINGS.

The fuck they can't. What do you call gun control?

You dimocraps really are stupid bitches.

I have NEVER seen a gun prosecuted for -- Anything. The owner of the gun? Yeah. Know why, STUPID? Because the owner of the gun is a person

You are so incredibly stupid, you don't even realize how stupid you are

When has a corporation ever been prosecuted for anything? Oh wait, that doesn't happen either.

 

[Edgetho]

When has a corporation ever been prosecuted for anything? Oh wait, that doesn't happen either.

You really are stupid piece of fucking shit.

Corporations don't get prosecuted?

What a stupid motherfucker.

Seriously. Your IQ is way too low even for this place.

 

[Misty]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

This country is dominated by government.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

bring it up with the supreme court. Oh wait they already decided. Deal with it, the law of the land as you liberals like to say, ha ha ha

 

[Edgetho]

This country is dominated by government.

Under the eyes of The Law, government is considered a person

 

[Wyatt earp]

When has a corporation ever been prosecuted for anything? Oh wait, that doesn't happen either.

You really are stupid piece of fucking shit.

Corporations don't get prosecuted?

What a stupid motherfucker.

Seriously. Your IQ is way too low even for this place.

damn he really posted that????

Lmfao...