Corporations ≠ people

[Brian_1349]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

 

[occupied]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

There is nothing logical about corporate person-hood, it is a concept that lawyers invented to give big business the political power of a person, a person that can shout down any number of actual persons, buy any amount of influence, that can never be held wholly responsible for their actions and never die.

 

[Redfish]

Corporations are designated as legal "persons" in order to protect the employees from personal liability for acts of the corporation. It is a legal definition.

The left has completely misinterpreted this to somehow demonize corporations, while its only purpose is to protect employees.

another ignorant position of the left.

 

[SwimExpert]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

There is nothing logical about corporate person-hood, it is a concept that lawyers invented to give big business the political power of a person, a person that can shout down any number of actual persons, buy any amount of influence, that can never be held wholly responsible for their actions and never die.

The irony is that these fake conservatives who support corporate personhood are being the ultimate collectivists. Corporate personhood is the collectivism in the extreme.

 

[SwimExpert]

Corporations are designated as legal "persons" in order to protect the employees from personal liability for acts of the corporation. It is a legal definition.

So that's why corporates have freedom of religion?

 

[P F Tinmore]

They are not equal.

People need proctologists to study their assholes.

Corporations need psychiatrists to study theirs.

 

[Redfish]

Corporations are designated as legal "persons" in order to protect the employees from personal liability for acts of the corporation. It is a legal definition.

So that's why corporates have freedom of religion?

The shareholders of corporations have freedom or religion. WTF are you talking about? The board of directors of Hobby Lobby have individual freedom of religion and the can vote on whether their stores are open on sunday and support abortions for their employees.

 

[Redfish]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

There is nothing logical about corporate person-hood, it is a concept that lawyers invented to give big business the political power of a person, a person that can shout down any number of actual persons, buy any amount of influence, that can never be held wholly responsible for their actions and never die.

The irony is that these fake conservatives who support corporate personhood are being the ultimate collectivists. Corporate personhood is the collectivism in the extreme.

Bullshit. If Walmart was not considered a legal person, its employees could be held liable for acts of the corporation, they could be sued individually if someone was injured in a store.

this is not anywhere near what you libtards are trying to make it.

 

[occupied]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

There is nothing logical about corporate person-hood, it is a concept that lawyers invented to give big business the political power of a person, a person that can shout down any number of actual persons, buy any amount of influence, that can never be held wholly responsible for their actions and never die.

The irony is that these fake conservatives who support corporate personhood are being the ultimate collectivists. Corporate personhood is the collectivism in the extreme.

Being a "business friendly" republican means doing what big business wants. If big business wants to have a lot of unaccountable political power then it is the purpose of being "business friendly" to facilitate it. All power should be accountable be it political or economic.

 

[occupied]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

There is nothing logical about corporate person-hood, it is a concept that lawyers invented to give big business the political power of a person, a person that can shout down any number of actual persons, buy any amount of influence, that can never be held wholly responsible for their actions and never die.

The irony is that these fake conservatives who support corporate personhood are being the ultimate collectivists. Corporate personhood is the collectivism in the extreme.

Bullshit. If Walmart was not considered a legal person, its employees could be held liable for acts of the corporation, they could be sued individually if someone was injured in a store.

this is not anywhere near what you libtards are trying to make it.

The issue of corporate person-hood is not in the necessary limited liability of a corporation, it is in their ability to readily exercise control over government policy and buy elections far in excess of any actual person all because they have been granted special 1st amendment rights that exceed our own.

 

[SwimExpert]

Corporations are designated as legal "persons" in order to protect the employees from personal liability for acts of the corporation. It is a legal definition.

So that's why corporates have freedom of religion?

The shareholders of corporations have freedom or religion. WTF are you talking about? The board of directors of Hobby Lobby have individual freedom of religion and the can vote on whether their stores are open on sunday and support abortions for their employees.

But we're not talking about shareholders. Corporations themselves have religious freedom. Corporations themselves possess constitutional rights stemming from their personhood.

 

[Wildman]

The left has completely misinterpreted this to somehow demonize corporations,

i would love to see demoscum survive WITHOUT corporations.

 

[Wildman]

They are not equal.

People need proctologists to study their assholes.

Corporations need psychiatrists to study theirs.

did you really mean to say, demorats need proctologists to study their assholes.

.... and ....

 

[Darkwind]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

Yes. A business MUST be able to enter into any and all transactions that a person can, otherwise the organization could not survive and will be unable to do the most rudimentary things in society. Things like,

Pay taxes.
Enter into Contracts
Be sued
etc.c

A corporation is a separate legal entity (or legal person) for most purposes. Corporations are treated, in effect, as artificial persons created by the state that can sue or be sued in their own names, enter into and enforce contracts, hold title to and transfer property, and be found civilly and criminally liable for violations of law.

An artificial person or legal entity created by or under the authority of the laws of a state or nation, composed, in some rare instances, of a single person and his successors, being the incumbents of a particular oltice, but ordinarily consisting of an association of numerous individuals, who subsist as a body politic under a special denomination, which is regarded In law as having a personality and existence distinct from that of its several members, and which is, by the same authority, vested with the capacity of continuous succession, irrespective of changes in its membership, either in perpetuity or for a limited term of years, and of acting as a unit or single individual in matters relating to the common purpose of the association, within the scope of the powers and authorities conferred upon such bodies by law. See Case of Sutton's Hospital, 10 Coke. 32; Dartmouth College v. Woodward, 4 Wheat. 518, 636, 657. 4 L. Ed. 629; U. S. v. Trinidad Coal Co., 137 U. S. 160, 11 Sup. Ct. 57. 34 L. Ed. 640; Andrews Bros. Co. v. Youngstown Coke Co., 86 Fed. 585, 30 C. C. A. 293; Porter v. Railroad Co., 76 111. 573; State v. Payne, 129 Mo. 468, 31 S. W. 797. 33 L. R. A. 576; Farmers' L. & T. Co. v. New York, 7 Hill (N. Y.) 2S3; State BL.LAW DICT.(2D ED.)

Finally,

http://www.cengage.com/resource_uploads/downloads/0324595743_145749.pdf

Look at section 3.02 and read all 15 powers given to a corporation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They are not equal.

People need proctologists to study their assholes.

Corporations need psychiatrists to study theirs.

did you really mean to say, demorats need proctologists to study their assholes.

.... and ....

Not really. Every group has their assholes without exception.

 

[occupied]

The left has completely misinterpreted this to somehow demonize corporations,

i would love to see demoscum survive WITHOUT corporations.

I would like to see big business try to survive if it was actually held to the same level of responsibility as an actual person.

 

[Katzndogz]

Corporations are designated as legal "persons" in order to protect the employees from personal liability for acts of the corporation. It is a legal definition.

The left has completely misinterpreted this to somehow demonize corporations, while its only purpose is to protect employees.

another ignorant position of the left.

Legal personhood also gives individuals a basis to sue for wrongdoing without knowing exactly who did the harm. It gives an individual that has been a way to recover damages. Liberals sure love their deep pocket tort lotto!

 

[Edgetho]

Because dimocraps are stupid, I'm going to be a little patient.......

Corporations are 'persons' under the eyes of the law because -- They have to be.

Laws can NOT apply to THINGS. Laws apply only to persons.

IOW, you can't make a law that forbids cars from driving down the street the wrong way. You can make a law forbidding that a 'person' not drive down teh street the wrong way.

You can't make a law forbidding your dog from biting people. But you can make the owner of the Dog regret it.

You can't make a law requiring all the houses in a certain neighborhood have fences.

You can't make a law governing THINGS.

Can't do it. Just can't do it. Can't be done.

You also can't sue the dog that bit you. You can't sue the care that crahsed into you going the wrong way.

You can't sue the house without a fence.

You can't pass and enforce laws governing inanimate objects.

So by artificially making Corporations 'persons' under the eyes of the Law, we get around this.

Corporations can sue and be sued. Corporations can be found guilty of breaking criminal laws.

If a Corporation were not a 'person' how could it be sued? If a corporation were not a person how could it be found guilty of breaking the Law?

I suggest you people stick to solving the latest Harry Potter mystery and leave adult things to adults.

IOW, just shut the fuck up already. You're making yourselves look even stupider than you already are. And THAT is quite a trick

 

[SwimExpert]

Laws can NOT apply to THINGS.

The fuck they can't. What do you call gun control?

 

[Edgetho]

Laws can NOT apply to THINGS.

The fuck they can't. What do you call gun control?

You dimocraps really are stupid bitches.

I have NEVER seen a gun prosecuted for -- Anything. The owner of the gun? Yeah. Know why, STUPID? Because the owner of the gun is a person

You are so incredibly stupid, you don't even realize how stupid you are