"Conventional Wisdom" on Our Elite Campuses

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    Not-so-smart College Boys
    By Suzanne Fields, Washington Times
    November 6, 2006

    John Kerry's insult of the troops in Iraq actually offered a little insight. His "advice" to students at Pasadena City Community College in California would have been conventional wisdom on almost any "elite" campus, particularly in the Ivy League, where almost anyone is eager to tell you that only chumps go to Iraq -- or anywhere within the sound of the guns.

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    I get what your saying, but honestly, given the choice, why would anyone want to pass on an Ivy League education? I mean, I guess you could join the army afterwards, but going to a top college like Harvard or Princeton is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
     
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    What HE said...
     
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    Wisdom and intellect are not mutually exclusive. Education is an integral part of any person's life. It's important to know the world around you.
     
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    They are not - but I've met so few who ballance both. Most unwise/foolish people seek to remedy their lot in life by 'schoolin'. It's near impossible to educate somebody into 'wisdom'.
     
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    The extreme contempt in which the military is held by faculty and a majority of students at these universities is not “conventional” in any way. War is a part of life--has been since the beginning of life on earth if we are to believe recorded history--so to denigrate the military as being something heinous, evil--not worthy of “elitist” thinking--is utter nonsense to say the least.

    These “intellectual”, condescending elitists don’t seem to realize that, because of a strong, dedicated military, they continue to live in a democracy and are guaranteed the right to pontificate their idealistic, unreal views that have very little to do with the real world, as testified to in the last paragraph of the article. Too bad that our impressionable young people are their audience.
     
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    Just curious. What is your goal in life? I take it you have very high aspirations. What could a degree from an Ivy League school get you that, in everyday life, a degree from one of our fine state-supported/private schools in the Midwest could not get you?
     
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    My goal in life is to do well enough that I can choose to live my life as I see fit. I don't want anyone to have any control over me or my family. I want to decide what it is I do, when I do it, where, why, and for who. Plus I want to make a lot of money. My plan is to spend a couple of years in IB, and then move back to my family's business, and expand it many times over. A Harvard education helps me accomplish this because it grants me the ability to decide all of these things. A Harvard degree is in demand. Companies want people with Ivy degrees, and they'll pay more to get it, a lot more. Plus there's job security. Most importantly, I don't have to worry being out of work. If I ever have to leave on job there will always be a dozen more open.

    Now, why is the Ivy League held in such high regard? Here are a few reasons:
    1. It's a hell of a lot easier to get a job or internship with a Harvard degree.

    2. People respect a Harvard degree more than a state school degree

    3. Harvard has deeper pockets and more resources than a state school

    4. Most investment banking firms (who pay as much as $200,000 from day one) recruit exclusively at Ivy-caliber schools.

    5. Most professors are at the top of their fields.

    6. The students are intellectually active and involved.

    7. The course work is interesting and challenging, something I never found at my public school from 5th-7th grades (then again, my state college curriculum isn't dumbed down).

    8. The dorms are nicer.

    9. Connections
     
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    Yes, but knowledge is still necessary if we are to understand the world. We cannot pursue wisdom while forgetting knowledge.
     
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    Indeed.

    However, each are worthless without the other.
     

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