Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

[kaz]

LATIMES is biased crap. They leave out the fact that a huge part of the liberal movement was against SS.

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Those are 3 different links.

One thing you need to remember. Republicans sign the front of paychecks, liberals sign the back.

You must understand, IM is our token black racist. He hates whitey.

I'm no racist. I don't hate whites. OBTW, are all conservatives white?

You've made completely clear repeatedly you are a racist and you do hate whites.

That while the irony that you're a black hand under a white robe. The KKK couldn't do nearly as much as you do to destroy blacks by telling them to be subservient to the party that keeps screwing you. The latest being unchecked illegal immigration by people who keep poor blacks unemployed. Employment is the first step to becoming middle class. There is no path around it. And you cheer while Democrats keep poor blacks right where they are

I have done no such thing. I have to laugh at you republicans. You're racists and you stand opposed to everything that has helped blacks progress. Now explain to me how many blacks are losing jobs picking tomatoes or lettuce to illegal immigrants.

I'm not a Republican, I'm a libertarian. And yeah, I hate my wife and kids. Moron.

It's a simple fact. You advocate unlimited illegal immigration which hits blacks and black employment more than any other group. You're Bojangles to the clan.

Hey Bo, dance and help us kill jobs for blacks.

And you do ...

Blacks won't work for the wages illegal immagrants will work. I won't either. The difference is, I don't want to import poor people and screw my own poor. Employers should be forced to pay market rates

 

[IM2]

In general the red states are doing better economically than the blue states. Sorry.

Best-Run States Are Heavily Republican, Study Finds | Investor's Business Daily

Are they? I live in Kansas where the state government implemented every conservative idea in the books and it killed our economy. And then when we look a your map, the states raked the highest had very small populations, mostly rural with no proximity to large urban centers.

 

[Slade3200]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Another phony-baloney. You listen to those who lied to you, then regurgitate THEIR lies to us so as to put us in the position YOU are in.

Screw you! If you are to dumb to escape, then you deserve to be there!

How about you respond with smart counter arguments instead of petty insults? Just makes you sound like you have nothing of worth to contribute to the conversation.

 

[IM2]

If we "republicans" have been against everything that has helped blacks progress, why is the "republican" in the white house overseeing the lowest black unemployment in the history of the nation? Its like liberals ignore the undisputed facts and make up "alternate facts" of their own.

What was black unemployment under the half-black president Hussein Obama?

He's overseeing something he did not make happen. And still black unemployment is double that of whites.

 

[airplanemechanic]

If we "republicans" have been against everything that has helped blacks progress, why is the "republican" in the white house overseeing the lowest black unemployment in the history of the nation? Its like liberals ignore the undisputed facts and make up "alternate facts" of their own.

What was black unemployment under the half-black president Hussein Obama?

He's overseeing something he did not make happen. And still black unemployment is double that of whites.

It doesn't matter. It's the lowest IN THE HISTORY OF THE NATION.

Can you please post a link to your post during the Obama administration (and we had 8 years of the bozo) complaining about black unemployment under Obama?

Thanks in advance.

 

[IM2]

LATIMES is biased crap. They leave out the fact that a huge part of the liberal movement was against SS.

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Those are 3 different links.

One thing you need to remember. Republicans sign the front of paychecks, liberals sign the back.

You must understand, IM is our token black racist. He hates whitey.

I'm no racist. I don't hate whites. OBTW, are all conservatives white?

You've made completely clear repeatedly you are a racist and you do hate whites.

That while the irony that you're a black hand under a white robe. The KKK couldn't do nearly as much as you do to destroy blacks by telling them to be subservient to the party that keeps screwing you. The latest being unchecked illegal immigration by people who keep poor blacks unemployed. Employment is the first step to becoming middle class. There is no path around it. And you cheer while Democrats keep poor blacks right where they are

I have done no such thing. I have to laugh at you republicans. You're racists and you stand opposed to everything that has helped blacks progress. Now explain to me how many blacks are losing jobs picking tomatoes or lettuce to illegal immigrants.

I'm not a Republican, I'm a libertarian. And yeah, I hate my wife and kids. Moron.

It's a simple fact. You advocate unlimited illegal immigration which hits blacks and black employment more than any other group. You're Bojangles to the clan.

Hey Bo, dance and help us kill jobs for blacks.

And you do ...

Blacks won't work for the wages illegal immagrants will work. I won't either. The difference is, I don't want to import poor people and screw my own poor. Employers should be forced to pay market rates

Actually Democrats don't advocate unlimited illegal immigration. So that's that for your lie.

 

[Wyatt earp]

LATIMES is biased crap. They leave out the fact that a huge part of the liberal movement was against SS.

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Deja Vu: A Look Back at Some of the Tirades Against Social Security and Medicare | BillMoyers.com

Those are 3 different links.

One thing you need to remember. Republicans sign the front of paychecks, liberals sign the back.

You wish.
If that were the case, it would be Red States following 150 years of conservative economic policies that would be successes and the Blue States would be the basket cases and not the other way around.

So tell us how Illinois is doing today?

 

[Oldstyle]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

And liberals gave us the horrors of communism and the welfare state. Your point is what?

 

[onefour1]

Wondering why this thread is not moved to the Conspiracy Theory thread?

 

[IM2]

If we "republicans" have been against everything that has helped blacks progress, why is the "republican" in the white house overseeing the lowest black unemployment in the history of the nation? Its like liberals ignore the undisputed facts and make up "alternate facts" of their own.

What was black unemployment under the half-black president Hussein Obama?

He's overseeing something he did not make happen. And still black unemployment is double that of whites.

It doesn't matter. It's the lowest IN THE HISTORY OF THE NATION.

Can you please post a link to your post during the Obama administration (and we had 8 years of the bozo) complaining about black unemployment under Obama?

Thanks in advance.

It does matter.

Trump Takes Undue Credit on Black Unemployment
By Robert Farley

Posted on January 30, 2018

Firing back at criticism from Jay-Z, President Donald Trump went too far when he claimed the black unemployment rate is the lowest in recorded history “because of my policies.”

While it’s true that the black unemployment rate recently reached its lowest level in decades, the rate has been in steady decline for about the last seven years.

Trump has boasted repeatedly about the record-low unemployment among African Americans. But in response to criticisms leveled by rap mogul Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter in a Jan. 27 interview on CNN, Trump took full credit for the milestone in black unemployment.

Jay-Z said reports that the president called African nations “shitholes” was “disappointing and hurtful … because he’s, like, looking down on a whole population of people.”

As the chart below illustrates, the black unemployment rate has been in a years-long downward trend that continued under Trump. The part in red represents the months under Trump’s presidency



The number of employed black Americans rose by 354,000 in the first 11 months under Trump. But that rise is dwarfed by the gains in the previous three years: 541,000 in 2016, 767,000 in 2015 and 710,000 in 2014.

Trump Takes Undue Credit on Black Unemployment - FactCheck.org

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

And liberals gave us the horrors of communism and the welfare state. Your point is what?

Yeah right. So now we have a fascist president who wants to be like Kim Jung Un.

 

[kaz]

You must understand, IM is our token black racist. He hates whitey.

I'm no racist. I don't hate whites. OBTW, are all conservatives white?

You've made completely clear repeatedly you are a racist and you do hate whites.

That while the irony that you're a black hand under a white robe. The KKK couldn't do nearly as much as you do to destroy blacks by telling them to be subservient to the party that keeps screwing you. The latest being unchecked illegal immigration by people who keep poor blacks unemployed. Employment is the first step to becoming middle class. There is no path around it. And you cheer while Democrats keep poor blacks right where they are

I have done no such thing. I have to laugh at you republicans. You're racists and you stand opposed to everything that has helped blacks progress. Now explain to me how many blacks are losing jobs picking tomatoes or lettuce to illegal immigrants.

I'm not a Republican, I'm a libertarian. And yeah, I hate my wife and kids. Moron.

It's a simple fact. You advocate unlimited illegal immigration which hits blacks and black employment more than any other group. You're Bojangles to the clan.

Hey Bo, dance and help us kill jobs for blacks.

And you do ...

Blacks won't work for the wages illegal immagrants will work. I won't either. The difference is, I don't want to import poor people and screw my own poor. Employers should be forced to pay market rates

Actually Democrats don't advocate unlimited illegal immigration. So that's that for your lie.

Every action Democrats are taking is to enable illegal immigration. Do you pay ANY attention to the news? Or you just do what the Klan tells you and they never told you to think? Hey Bojangles, go out and tell blacks not to resist while Democrats import illegal aliens to take their jobs. And you do

 

[Oldstyle]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

And liberals gave us the horrors of communism and the welfare state. Your point is what?

Yeah right. So now we have a fascist president who wants to be like Kim Jung Un.

Do you even understand what a "fascist" is? What has Donald Trump done that even REMOTELY smacks of fascism?

 

[IM2]

Wondering why this thread is not moved to the Conspiracy Theory thread?

Because it's not a conspiracy theory. The cnservative god, Reagan set record deficits and turned us from a creditor nation to a debtor nation. GW Bush broke those records and almost sent us into a depression. But this guy Trump, he might out do them all.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Wondering why this thread is not moved to the Conspiracy Theory thread?

Because it's not a conspiracy theory. The cnservative god, Reagan set record deficits and turned us from a creditor nation to a debtor nation. GW Bush broke those records and almost sent us into a depression. But this guy Trump, he might out do them all.

And Obama ran up more debt than all other presidents before him, combined.

But you skipped that. You mentioned Reagan, GWB and Trump. There was a little Obama in there too.

 

[IM2]

I'm no racist. I don't hate whites. OBTW, are all conservatives white?

You've made completely clear repeatedly you are a racist and you do hate whites.

That while the irony that you're a black hand under a white robe. The KKK couldn't do nearly as much as you do to destroy blacks by telling them to be subservient to the party that keeps screwing you. The latest being unchecked illegal immigration by people who keep poor blacks unemployed. Employment is the first step to becoming middle class. There is no path around it. And you cheer while Democrats keep poor blacks right where they are

I have done no such thing. I have to laugh at you republicans. You're racists and you stand opposed to everything that has helped blacks progress. Now explain to me how many blacks are losing jobs picking tomatoes or lettuce to illegal immigrants.

I'm not a Republican, I'm a libertarian. And yeah, I hate my wife and kids. Moron.

It's a simple fact. You advocate unlimited illegal immigration which hits blacks and black employment more than any other group. You're Bojangles to the clan.

Hey Bo, dance and help us kill jobs for blacks.

And you do ...

Blacks won't work for the wages illegal immagrants will work. I won't either. The difference is, I don't want to import poor people and screw my own poor. Employers should be forced to pay market rates

Actually Democrats don't advocate unlimited illegal immigration. So that's that for your lie.

Every action Democrats are taking is to enable illegal immigration. Do you pay ANY attention to the news? Or you just do what the Klan tells you and they never told you to think? Hey Bojangles, go out and tell blacks not to resist while Democrats import illegal aliens to take their jobs. And you do

I find it funny how you can't see that your assumptions where by you believe we can't think but must be told is racist. You claim to be libertarian, but that's just another republican party. Now as for immigration and jobs employers make the choice to hire. So if blacks are not getting hired the immigrants did not make that choice. Illegal immigrants aren't hiring themselves dumb fuck.

So you can suck my bojangles bitch.

As the 2016 election draws closer, the party’s views on immigration are becoming increasingly important. With a larger and larger percentage of voters being immigrants, these policies have the ability to make or break an election. Even non-immigrants are beginning to view this as a larger issue. A recent survey by the Pew Research Center found that 71 percent of Americans believe that there should be a road to amnesty for illegal immigrants who meet certain requirements.

The Democratic view on immigration is based on the idea that the United States is a country based on immigrants, and as such it should value and support its present and future immigrants. The 2012 Democratic Party Platform states, “the Democratic Party stands for comprehensive immigration reform that intelligently prioritizes our country’s security and economic needs.” Democrats believe that in order to embrace the diversity of our country, “we need to fix our broken immigration system.”

They believe in providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, especially those who were brought here as children. They wish to greatly reform the current immigration laws, stating that “today’s immigration laws do not reflect our values or serve our security, and we will work for real reform. The solution is not to establish a massive new status of second-class workers; that betrays our values and hurts all working people. Undocumented immigrants within our borders who clear a background check, work hard and pay taxes should have a path to earn full participation in America.” Democrats do not believe that just any illegal immigrant should be provided amnesty or a path to citizenship. They state that undocumented workers who “are in good standing must admit that they broke the law, pay taxes and a penalty, learn English, and get right with the law before they can get in line to earn their citizenship.” Democrats do, however, support strong repercussions for those who exploit illegal labor. This process undermines American workers, and Democrats believe that those who do so need to be held accountable.

Democratic View on Immigration | Republican Views

Your racist argument trying to pit blacks against Hispanics won't work here. If your punk ass is so concerned about blacks losing jobs to illegals, then stop whitey from hiring illegals .

 

[airplanemechanic]

The country is not "based on immigrants." Especially NOT illegal immigrants.

 

[IM2]

Wondering why this thread is not moved to the Conspiracy Theory thread?

Because it's not a conspiracy theory. The cnservative god, Reagan set record deficits and turned us from a creditor nation to a debtor nation. GW Bush broke those records and almost sent us into a depression. But this guy Trump, he might out do them all.

And Obama ran up more debt than all other presidents before him, combined.

But you skipped that. You mentioned Reagan, GWB and Trump. There was a little Obama in there too.

Actually that is not true.

How Much Did Obama Add to the Nation's Debt?

 

[IM2]

The country is is not "based on immigrants." Especially NOT illegal immigrants.

This is a nation of immigrants so yes, it is.

 

[airplanemechanic]

We're a nation of immigrants.

We're also a nation of laws.