CDZ Congress Says, Let the Mentally Ill Buy Guns

[Skull Pilot]

We are, you are not. Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack...that is lives saved, lives not destroyed....how many lives did criminals take.....in 2015, 9,616.....and of those 70-80% are not normal citizens, but other criminals engaged in crime....and the rest, many are family and friends of the criminals...

So the number of innocent people who are killed is dwarfed by those who are saved.......

Cars are used to accidentally kill more people every single year than are purposefully taken with guns...

But it is not your right to kill a man because intends to hurt you. You only have the right to kill a man if he is about to kill you and you have no other way to stop it.

On the other hand, you said ..Criminals see stopped and...Criminals took lives. How often do they kill the criminal then?

Actually all you need is a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm

If you were correct and you're not then a person is not allowed to kill to defend himself from a beating so severe it might leave him wheelchair bound or with severe mental disabilities

many times just the pulling of a firearm will defuse the situation
many times the criminal piece of shit is merely wounded and unable to continue his attack

in 2012 there were 259 justifiable homicides

so you see the piece of shit criminals you are so worried about are more likely not to be killed that they are to be killed by law abiding gun owners

Does this mean the rest from the 1,500,000 were only injured?

in 2012 there were only 259 justifiable homicides

so in the rest of the 1.5 million times a gun was used in self defense the piece of shit criminals were either not shot at because the mere sight of the gun being pulled stopped them, they were shot at and not hit which stopped them or they were shot at and wounded which stopped them

There have to be at least three categories. Because that 259 were killed justifiably and the rest only wounded is simply not possible but it seems as though you were evading that. How many are killed unjustifiably because the victim has a gun. That's what i want to know.

I didn't say the rest were wounded

 

[Skull Pilot]

Well you think a government that works the way it should is when people are coerced into what you think are "right" behaviors via tax penalties and indoctrination

And really the problem is that we allow violent criminals to stay on the street.

You want to reduce gun crime? Then put people who commit crimes while in the possession of a gun away for a long long time

Your proposition does not lower crime rate. People can't be locked up for long just so as to keep them still unless they are mentally ill. In other cases they must be let out after the punishment is over and long prison terms do not lower the chances of that person committing a crime again. So putting a lot of people in prison for a long time does not reduce crime.

people can be locked up for as long as we decide to lock them up

here's what it should be

Any crime committed while in possession of a firearm 25 years no parole
Any murder committed with a firearm life no parole

and it reduces crime for as long as they are in prison

You're right not be concerned about society. You've no clue how it functions.

I don't what it means when you say they can be locked up as long as you want. There are rules for it. You have decided that the prison terms are unduly long, true. But you are precisely the bad example about how it doesn't work in long term.

Keeping people in prison costs money and burdens the society as well as the economy The prisons are too full. It is unsustainable.

Laws are made by people

if we the people decide that a 25 year sentence for any crime committed while in possession of a gun is warranted then it will be

and all we have to do is come up with alternate sentencing for nonviolent criminals that will leave more than enough room for the violent pieces of shit to be locked up for a long time

Laws are made by the state. If you don't bother to do as much as pay taxes for the benefit of your fellows, you're not who decides those. It requires understanding.

I don't pay taxes for the benefit of "society"

I pay them because if I don't armed men wearing masks will raid my home, shoot my dogs, confiscate my property, seize my bank accounts and throw me in prison if they don't shoot me dead first that is.

 

[Flopper]

For all their dysfunction, the Republican Senate and House have managed to act with lightning speed in striking down a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/congress-says-let-the-mentally-ill-buy-guns.html

People with schizophrenia and serve psychotic disorders who can't manage their financial affairs should not be sold guns. That's just plain stupid.

They should also not be allowed to defend themselves, right?

That's right. People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that have been diagnosed by an agent in a cubicle at the IRS or a Social Security office as incompetent to handle their own finances shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm?

Does that go for Drivers Licenses as well?

What other parts of your life should those cubicle monkeys be in charge of?

Sounds real cute. However, neither the IRS nor Social Security diagnosis mental disabilities in there offices or anywhere. Those applying for SS disability benefits are examined by medical professions. In the case of mental disabilities it would be either a clinic psychologist or a psychiatrist.

Category 12.03, schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders were covered by the Obama's executive order.

Most people with this diagnosis are not committed to institutions but manage fairly well as long stay on their drugs. However, a large percent abandon their treatment plan due side effects. When they do, they are often a danger to the themselves and anyone around them.

It is not wise to guns in the hands of people who can not distinguish between what is real and what is an illusion.

12.00-Mental Disorders-Adult

 

[Skull Pilot]

For all their dysfunction, the Republican Senate and House have managed to act with lightning speed in striking down a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/congress-says-let-the-mentally-ill-buy-guns.html

People with schizophrenia and serve psychotic disorders who can't manage their financial affairs should not be sold guns. That's just plain stupid.

What does it matter when they can buy them off from just anyone anyway?

tell you what you go try to buy a gun off of just anyone and tell me how easy it is

 

[Skull Pilot]

Well you think a government that works the way it should is when people are coerced into what you think are "right" behaviors via tax penalties and indoctrination

And really the problem is that we allow violent criminals to stay on the street.

You want to reduce gun crime? Then put people who commit crimes while in the possession of a gun away for a long long time

Your proposition does not lower crime rate. People can't be locked up for long just so as to keep them still unless they are mentally ill. In other cases they must be let out after the punishment is over and long prison terms do not lower the chances of that person committing a crime again. So putting a lot of people in prison for a long time does not reduce crime.

people can be locked up for as long as we decide to lock them up

here's what it should be

Any crime committed while in possession of a firearm 25 years no parole
Any murder committed with a firearm life no parole

and it reduces crime for as long as they are in prison

You're right not be concerned about society. You've no clue how it functions.

I don't what it means when you say they can be locked up as long as you want. There are rules for it. You have decided that the prison terms are unduly long, true. But you are precisely the bad example about how it doesn't work in long term.

Keeping people in prison costs money and burdens the society as well as the economy The prisons are too full. It is unsustainable.

Laws are made by people

if we the people decide that a 25 year sentence for any crime committed while in possession of a gun is warranted then it will be

and all we have to do is come up with alternate sentencing for nonviolent criminals that will leave more than enough room for the violent pieces of shit to be locked up for a long time

Laws are made by the state. If you don't bother to do as much as pay taxes for the benefit of your fellows, you're not who decides those. It requires understanding.

laws are made by the people who elect representatives to carry out their will

unfortunately most people today like you care more about some piece of shit criminal who will kill you for 5 dollars than they do about the innocent law abiding people that are the victims

 

[Skull Pilot]

For all their dysfunction, the Republican Senate and House have managed to act with lightning speed in striking down a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/congress-says-let-the-mentally-ill-buy-guns.html

People with schizophrenia and serve psychotic disorders who can't manage their financial affairs should not be sold guns. That's just plain stupid.

They should also not be allowed to defend themselves, right?

That's right. People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that have been diagnosed by an agent in a cubicle at the IRS or a Social Security office as incompetent to handle their own finances shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm?

Does that go for Drivers Licenses as well?

What other parts of your life should those cubicle monkeys be in charge of?

Sounds real cute. However, neither the IRS nor Social Security diagnosis mental disabilities in there offices or anywhere. Those applying for SS disability benefits are examined by medical professions. In the case of mental disabilities it would be either a clinic psychologist or a psychiatrist.

Category 12.03, schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders were covered by the Obama's executive order.

Most people with this diagnosis are not committed to institutions but manage fairly well as long stay on their drugs. However, a large percent abandon their treatment plan due side effects. When they do, they are often a danger to the themselves and anyone around them.

It is not wise to guns in the hands of people who can not distinguish between what is real and what is an illusion.

12.00-Mental Disorders-Adult

and so were people who weren't mentally ill at all

THAT"S the problem

 

[2aguy]

For all their dysfunction, the Republican Senate and House have managed to act with lightning speed in striking down a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/congress-says-let-the-mentally-ill-buy-guns.html

People with schizophrenia and serve psychotic disorders who can't manage their financial affairs should not be sold guns. That's just plain stupid.

They should also not be allowed to defend themselves, right?

That's right. People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that have been diagnosed by an agent in a cubicle at the IRS or a Social Security office as incompetent to handle their own finances shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm?

Does that go for Drivers Licenses as well?

What other parts of your life should those cubicle monkeys be in charge of?

Sounds real cute. However, neither the IRS nor Social Security diagnosis mental disabilities in there offices or anywhere. Those applying for SS disability benefits are examined by medical professions. In the case of mental disabilities it would be either a clinic psychologist or a psychiatrist.

Category 12.03, schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders were covered by the Obama's executive order.

Most people with this diagnosis are not committed to institutions but manage fairly well as long stay on their drugs. However, a large percent abandon their treatment plan due side effects. When they do, they are often a danger to the themselves and anyone around them.

It is not wise to guns in the hands of people who can not distinguish between what is real and what is an illusion.

12.00-Mental Disorders-Adult

And if that is the case......take them to court and get a judge to sign off on it.......you know...due process........the ACLU disagrees with you.
..

 

[Auld Phart]

For all their dysfunction, the Republican Senate and House have managed to act with lightning speed in striking down a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/congress-says-let-the-mentally-ill-buy-guns.html

People with schizophrenia and serve psychotic disorders who can't manage their financial affairs should not be sold guns. That's just plain stupid.

They should also not be allowed to defend themselves, right?

That's right. People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that have been diagnosed by an agent in a cubicle at the IRS or a Social Security office as incompetent to handle their own finances shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm?

Does that go for Drivers Licenses as well?

What other parts of your life should those cubicle monkeys be in charge of?

Sounds real cute. However, neither the IRS nor Social Security diagnosis mental disabilities in there offices or anywhere. Those applying for SS disability benefits are examined by medical professions. In the case of mental disabilities it would be either a clinic psychologist or a psychiatrist.

Category 12.03, schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders were covered by the Obama's executive order.

Most people with this diagnosis are not committed to institutions but manage fairly well as long stay on their drugs. However, a large percent abandon their treatment plan due side effects. When they do, they are often a danger to the themselves and anyone around them.

It is not wise to guns in the hands of people who can not distinguish between what is real and what is an illusion.

12.00-Mental Disorders-Adult

Trump looks set to overturn a regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

"The Social Security Administration finalized the standing rule in December under President Barack Obama. With the regulation, the SSA must identify and report to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) individuals who are unable to work because of severe mental impairment and can’t manage their own Social Security financial benefits, and thus make them ineligible to buy guns."

 

[Meane]

But it is not your right to kill a man because intends to hurt you. You only have the right to kill a man if he is about to kill you and you have no other way to stop it.

On the other hand, you said ..Criminals see stopped and...Criminals took lives. How often do they kill the criminal then?

Actually all you need is a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm

If you were correct and you're not then a person is not allowed to kill to defend himself from a beating so severe it might leave him wheelchair bound or with severe mental disabilities

many times just the pulling of a firearm will defuse the situation
many times the criminal piece of shit is merely wounded and unable to continue his attack

in 2012 there were 259 justifiable homicides

so you see the piece of shit criminals you are so worried about are more likely not to be killed that they are to be killed by law abiding gun owners

Does this mean the rest from the 1,500,000 were only injured?

in 2012 there were only 259 justifiable homicides

so in the rest of the 1.5 million times a gun was used in self defense the piece of shit criminals were either not shot at because the mere sight of the gun being pulled stopped them, they were shot at and not hit which stopped them or they were shot at and wounded which stopped them

There have to be at least three categories. Because that 259 were killed justifiably and the rest only wounded is simply not possible but it seems as though you were evading that. How many are killed unjustifiably because the victim has a gun. That's what i want to know.

I didn't say the rest were wounded

Then your argument is perfectly invalid. To prove defending inself with a gun benefits the society, you have to produce numbers. You only produced two out of three so we don't have the result.

 

[Meane]

For all their dysfunction, the Republican Senate and House have managed to act with lightning speed in striking down a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/congress-says-let-the-mentally-ill-buy-guns.html

People with schizophrenia and serve psychotic disorders who can't manage their financial affairs should not be sold guns. That's just plain stupid.

They should also not be allowed to defend themselves, right?

That's right. People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that can't tell what's real from what they imagine should not be defending themselves or anyone else.

People that have been diagnosed by an agent in a cubicle at the IRS or a Social Security office as incompetent to handle their own finances shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm?

Does that go for Drivers Licenses as well?

What other parts of your life should those cubicle monkeys be in charge of?

Sounds real cute. However, neither the IRS nor Social Security diagnosis mental disabilities in there offices or anywhere. Those applying for SS disability benefits are examined by medical professions. In the case of mental disabilities it would be either a clinic psychologist or a psychiatrist.

Category 12.03, schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders were covered by the Obama's executive order.

Most people with this diagnosis are not committed to institutions but manage fairly well as long stay on their drugs. However, a large percent abandon their treatment plan due side effects. When they do, they are often a danger to the themselves and anyone around them.

It is not wise to guns in the hands of people who can not distinguish between what is real and what is an illusion.

12.00-Mental Disorders-Adult

But at times they can distinguish. Sometimes most of the time. Does that mean they aren't allowed to go hunting?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Actually all you need is a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm

If you were correct and you're not then a person is not allowed to kill to defend himself from a beating so severe it might leave him wheelchair bound or with severe mental disabilities

many times just the pulling of a firearm will defuse the situation
many times the criminal piece of shit is merely wounded and unable to continue his attack

in 2012 there were 259 justifiable homicides

so you see the piece of shit criminals you are so worried about are more likely not to be killed that they are to be killed by law abiding gun owners

Does this mean the rest from the 1,500,000 were only injured?

in 2012 there were only 259 justifiable homicides

so in the rest of the 1.5 million times a gun was used in self defense the piece of shit criminals were either not shot at because the mere sight of the gun being pulled stopped them, they were shot at and not hit which stopped them or they were shot at and wounded which stopped them

There have to be at least three categories. Because that 259 were killed justifiably and the rest only wounded is simply not possible but it seems as though you were evading that. How many are killed unjustifiably because the victim has a gun. That's what i want to know.

I didn't say the rest were wounded

Then your argument is perfectly invalid. To prove defending inself with a gun benefits the society, you have to produce numbers. You only produced two out of three so we don't have the result.

what?

the result is 1.5 million crimes were prevented by armed civilians

an unjustifiable killing is called murder and we already know how many murders there are every year

and IDGAF about society self defense is about the individual

 

[Meane]

Does this mean the rest from the 1,500,000 were only injured?

in 2012 there were only 259 justifiable homicides

so in the rest of the 1.5 million times a gun was used in self defense the piece of shit criminals were either not shot at because the mere sight of the gun being pulled stopped them, they were shot at and not hit which stopped them or they were shot at and wounded which stopped them

There have to be at least three categories. Because that 259 were killed justifiably and the rest only wounded is simply not possible but it seems as though you were evading that. How many are killed unjustifiably because the victim has a gun. That's what i want to know.

I didn't say the rest were wounded

Then your argument is perfectly invalid. To prove defending inself with a gun benefits the society, you have to produce numbers. You only produced two out of three so we don't have the result.

what?

the result is 1.5 million crimes were prevented by armed civilians

an unjustifiable killing is called murder and we already know how many murders there are every year

and IDGAF about society self defense is about the individual

The statistics still don't add up. You see, we don't want to confuse purposeful murders with those connected to self defence.

 

[Skull Pilot]

in 2012 there were only 259 justifiable homicides

so in the rest of the 1.5 million times a gun was used in self defense the piece of shit criminals were either not shot at because the mere sight of the gun being pulled stopped them, they were shot at and not hit which stopped them or they were shot at and wounded which stopped them

There have to be at least three categories. Because that 259 were killed justifiably and the rest only wounded is simply not possible but it seems as though you were evading that. How many are killed unjustifiably because the victim has a gun. That's what i want to know.

I didn't say the rest were wounded

Then your argument is perfectly invalid. To prove defending inself with a gun benefits the society, you have to produce numbers. You only produced two out of three so we don't have the result.

what?

the result is 1.5 million crimes were prevented by armed civilians

an unjustifiable killing is called murder and we already know how many murders there are every year

and IDGAF about society self defense is about the individual

The statistics still don't add up. You see, we don't want to confuse purposeful murders with those connected to self defence.

killing in self defense is NOT murder

are you under the assumption that every time a gun is used in self defense that a criminal dies?

 

[Meane]

There have to be at least three categories. Because that 259 were killed justifiably and the rest only wounded is simply not possible but it seems as though you were evading that. How many are killed unjustifiably because the victim has a gun. That's what i want to know.

I didn't say the rest were wounded

Then your argument is perfectly invalid. To prove defending inself with a gun benefits the society, you have to produce numbers. You only produced two out of three so we don't have the result.

what?

the result is 1.5 million crimes were prevented by armed civilians

an unjustifiable killing is called murder and we already know how many murders there are every year

and IDGAF about society self defense is about the individual

The statistics still don't add up. You see, we don't want to confuse purposeful murders with those connected to self defence.

killing in self defense is NOT murder

are you under the assumption that every time a gun is used in self defense that a criminal dies?

You just said that it is!

 

[Skull Pilot]

I didn't say the rest were wounded

Then your argument is perfectly invalid. To prove defending inself with a gun benefits the society, you have to produce numbers. You only produced two out of three so we don't have the result.

what?

the result is 1.5 million crimes were prevented by armed civilians

an unjustifiable killing is called murder and we already know how many murders there are every year

and IDGAF about society self defense is about the individual

The statistics still don't add up. You see, we don't want to confuse purposeful murders with those connected to self defence.

killing in self defense is NOT murder

are you under the assumption that every time a gun is used in self defense that a criminal dies?

You just said that it is!

no I didn't

I said an UNJUSTIFIABLE killing is called murder
a justifiable killing is not murder

 

[Meane]

Then your argument is perfectly invalid. To prove defending inself with a gun benefits the society, you have to produce numbers. You only produced two out of three so we don't have the result.

what?

the result is 1.5 million crimes were prevented by armed civilians

an unjustifiable killing is called murder and we already know how many murders there are every year

and IDGAF about society self defense is about the individual

The statistics still don't add up. You see, we don't want to confuse purposeful murders with those connected to self defence.

killing in self defense is NOT murder

are you under the assumption that every time a gun is used in self defense that a criminal dies?

You just said that it is!

no I didn't

I said an UNJUSTIFIABLE killing is called murder
a justifiable killing is not murder

Homicide. The statistics... Still waiting.

 

[Skull Pilot]

what?

the result is 1.5 million crimes were prevented by armed civilians

an unjustifiable killing is called murder and we already know how many murders there are every year

and IDGAF about society self defense is about the individual

The statistics still don't add up. You see, we don't want to confuse purposeful murders with those connected to self defence.

killing in self defense is NOT murder

are you under the assumption that every time a gun is used in self defense that a criminal dies?

You just said that it is!

no I didn't

I said an UNJUSTIFIABLE killing is called murder
a justifiable killing is not murder

Homicide. The statistics... Still waiting.

yeah and? I have no obligation to look up statistics for you

We already know how many murders there are every year

 

[Meane]

The statistics still don't add up. You see, we don't want to confuse purposeful murders with those connected to self defence.

killing in self defense is NOT murder

are you under the assumption that every time a gun is used in self defense that a criminal dies?

You just said that it is!

no I didn't

I said an UNJUSTIFIABLE killing is called murder
a justifiable killing is not murder

Homicide. The statistics... Still waiting.

yeah and? I have no obligation to look up statistics for you

We already know how many murders there are every year

Then your argument a thousand posts ago was invalid.. and now you say, I don't have to prove it. Well no, but you sure cantclaim to know the result.

 

[Skull Pilot]

killing in self defense is NOT murder

are you under the assumption that every time a gun is used in self defense that a criminal dies?

You just said that it is!

no I didn't

I said an UNJUSTIFIABLE killing is called murder
a justifiable killing is not murder

Homicide. The statistics... Still waiting.

yeah and? I have no obligation to look up statistics for you

We already know how many murders there are every year

Then your argument a thousand posts ago was invalid.. and now you say, I don't have to prove it. Well no, but you sure cantclaim to know the result.

No you think it's invalid

a gun is used 1.5 million times a year by civilians to prevent a crime

there are less than 300 justifiable killing in self defense

that means a gun is used 1,499,700 times in self defense where no one is killed

 

[Skull Pilot]

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,”

Or IOW a gun is the most effective tool for self defense