Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[Brain357]

Interesting:


All the most important technologies that have driven growth — what economists call general purpose technologies — trace their funding back to government. These are the technologies whose effects permeate across large parts of the economy, not just a single sector, and nurture decades of growth. These include aviation technologies; space technologies; semiconductors, the Internet; nuclear power; and nanotechnology. So we’re not talking just gadgets here, but revolutionary technologies that drive innovation led-growth — and it’s these technologies that are embedded inside the gadgets.

GPS, lithium batteries, the internet, cellular technology, airbags: A Q&A about how governments often fuel innovation

 

[Kondor3]

...Except the injuns that still are aggrieved...

True... like I said... nobody (that matters much) cares anymore. Vae victus.

...But history remembers also just like this OP...

True. It makes for vaguely interesting reading on a cold winter's day when you're bored out of your skull.

 

[Kondor3]

Soviet T 34 tank defeated the Nazis

In an existential struggle, virtually any form of government in a modern state can produce a winning weapon.

Throw enough brains and money and labor-hours at a project and it will usually pay off.

The Soviets got their asses kicked in 1941 and lost or had to relocate much of its war-making "plant" before the Germans ran out of steam.

The Soviets were able to stem the armored assault by deploying a couple of thousand British and Canadian tanks as a stop-gap.

And, of course, American Lend-Lease played its part, beginning in 1942 and beyond, in both weaponry and necessaries (food, etc.).

The Soviets made one helluva comeback and did, indeed, eventually kick some major German ass.

But they had a lot of manufacturing and logistical help that bought them enough time to pull it all back together again.

And...

The Soviets could not have done what they did without The West assaulting German infrastructure 24x7 from the air.

The Soviets could not have done what they did without The West diverting German war assets in North Africa, the Med, Italy, then France.

It was a team effort.

 

[Toronado3800]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Obviously a blend more heavily in favor of capitalism works better.

Things weren't so clear while Eisenhower was listening to Sputnik though.

 

[Toronado3800]

Soviet T 34 tank defeated the Nazis

In an existential struggle, virtually any form of government in a modern state can produce a winning weapon.

Throw enough brains and money and labor-hours at a project and it will usually pay off.

The Soviets got their asses kicked in 1941 and lost or had to relocate much of its war-making "plant" before the Germans ran out of steam.

The Soviets were able to stem the armored assault by deploying a couple of thousand British and Canadian tanks as a stop-gap.

And, of course, American Lend-Lease played its part, beginning in 1942 and beyond, in both weaponry and necessaries (food, etc.).

The Soviets made one helluva comeback and did, indeed, eventually kick some major German ass.

But they had a lot of manufacturing and logistical help that bought them enough time to pull it all back together again.

And...

The Soviets could not have done what they did without The West assaulting German infrastructure 24x7 from the air.

The Soviets could not have done what they did without The West diverting German war assets in North Africa, the Med, Italy, then France.

It was a team effort.

So you did not dispute the T-34's being the superior machine.

This is going to sound like I'm making your point, I'm just pushing forward the conversation. As late as Kursk (mid '43) the Germans were still killing considerably more Russians than Russians were killing Germans. Doesn't change the fact the T-34 was a hell of a machine, especially for 1941. Also doesn't change the face that in December of 1941 the Germans suffered a terrible setback they never recovered from.

Pearl Harbor was December 1941. Normandy was summer of 1944.

 

[Crepitus]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They made it into orbit before we did, and China plans on having a moon base before long, far ahead of us.

Next stupid question.

Yet, they stole their space and missile technology from a capitalist country, Germany. Or from us, as in the case of China.

But I will give them credit for the AK-47. That is one magnificent piece of machinery.

You asked for ONE accomplishment and now you dimiss it as "stolen". Most of the patents issued by the US Patent office, arent' American inventions. Everyone in the world files their patents in the USA because you have the strongest most protective patent laws in the world, but Americans are no brighter or cleverer than people in the rest of the world. And given the low quality of education in your country, a lot LESS educated.

We need a "sad but agree" button.

 

[rightwinger]

Soviet T 34 tank defeated the Nazis

In an existential struggle, virtually any form of government in a modern state can produce a winning weapon.

Throw enough brains and money and labor-hours at a project and it will usually pay off.

The Soviets got their asses kicked in 1941 and lost or had to relocate much of its war-making "plant" before the Germans ran out of steam.

The Soviets were able to stem the armored assault by deploying a couple of thousand British and Canadian tanks as a stop-gap.

And, of course, American Lend-Lease played its part, beginning in 1942 and beyond, in both weaponry and necessaries (food, etc.).

The Soviets made one helluva comeback and did, indeed, eventually kick some major German ass.

But they had a lot of manufacturing and logistical help that bought them enough time to pull it all back together again.

And...

The Soviets could not have done what they did without The West assaulting German infrastructure 24x7 from the air.

The Soviets could not have done what they did without The West diverting German war assets in North Africa, the Med, Italy, then France.

It was a team effort.

The OP was a question of technology. The T 34 was superior technology to the Sherman Tank

As to defeating the Nazis, the Soviets won 90 percent of the war.
You are correct that the west was a diversion

 

[debbiedowner]

I suspect galt boy just wanted a troll thread because anyone with the least bit of sense can do research and see that most medical innovations came from socialist countries and many other inventions. Well maybe not he only uses the internet for political forums to advance his hateful agenda.

 

[Toronado3800]

Soviet T 34 tank defeated the Nazis

In an existential struggle, virtually any form of government in a modern state can produce a winning weapon.

Throw enough brains and money and labor-hours at a project and it will usually pay off.

The Soviets got their asses kicked in 1941 and lost or had to relocate much of its war-making "plant" before the Germans ran out of steam.

The Soviets were able to stem the armored assault by deploying a couple of thousand British and Canadian tanks as a stop-gap.

And, of course, American Lend-Lease played its part, beginning in 1942 and beyond, in both weaponry and necessaries (food, etc.).

The Soviets made one helluva comeback and did, indeed, eventually kick some major German ass.

But they had a lot of manufacturing and logistical help that bought them enough time to pull it all back together again.

And...

The Soviets could not have done what they did without The West assaulting German infrastructure 24x7 from the air.

The Soviets could not have done what they did without The West diverting German war assets in North Africa, the Med, Italy, then France.

It was a team effort.

The OP was a question of technology. The T 34 was superior technology to the Sherman Tank

As to defeating the Nazis, the Soviets won 90 percent of the war.
You are correct that the west was a diversion

This is one of my favorite topics. I generally agree the Soviets won the war in Europe AND that we saved Western Europe from Stalin's rule.

I dunno about 90%. Would having Rommel and the Afrika Corpse at Stalingrad have made a difference?

Do we need to remove the Brits from the war also for that to have happened in the summer of 1942? Operation Torch was just fall of '42 but to actually get the Afrika Corpse to the Caucasus in time for Stalingrad heck, that's a 1941 decision I bet.

If we insert Charles Lindbergh as President how much does stopping Lend Lease hurt?

If it takes until 1946 for the Russians to get Berlin do the Germans still probably not have the atomic bomb?

How about 1947 when Stalin is liberating Paris from the NAZI's?

 

[Crepitus]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They made it into orbit before we did, and China plans on having a moon base before long, far ahead of us.

Next stupid question.

Yet, they stole their space and missile technology from a capitalist country, Germany. Or from us, as in the case of China.

But I will give them credit for the AK-47. That is one magnificent piece of machinery.

You asked for ONE accomplishment and now you dimiss it as "stolen". Most of the patents issued by the US Patent office, arent' American inventions. Everyone in the world files their patents in the USA because you have the strongest most protective patent laws in the world, but Americans are no brighter or cleverer than people in the rest of the world. And given the low quality of education in your country, a lot LESS educated.

So what inventions has your socialist county given the world?

I believe she is Canadian?

How do you feel about pacemakers, insulin, and basketball among other things?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They've produced a record number of political billionaires; no other system even comes close

 

[Dragonlady]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They've produced a record number of political billionaires; no other system even comes close

Au contraire. The oligarchs of Russia, the elites of Central and South America. Right wing economic policies alway create a wealthy class which lives in gated communities, and a permanent underclass living in slums.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Soviet Space Program was actually badass at one time but America beat them...

Outside that not much...

They produced countries regretting listening to politicians and their empty promises...

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Where has socialism or communism ever been tried with the will of the people? A dictatorship can call it's self anything it wants but that does not make the country what they claim.

If you look at any of those old posters from the Bolshevik or Cultural Revolutions, they seem to depict a lot of willing people...

People typically work pretty hard with a gun in their back.

As I said before Communism is great as long as the government holds a gun to your head...

 

[JGalt]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They've produced a record number of political billionaires; no other system even comes close

Au contraire. The oligarchs of Russia, the elites of Central and South America. Right wing economic policies alway create a wealthy class which lives in gated communities, and a permanent underclass living in slums.

You mean like those "right-wingers" do in Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, South Africa, where socialism and communism are failing?

 

[Dragonlady]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They've produced a record number of political billionaires; no other system even comes close

Au contraire. The oligarchs of Russia, the elites of Central and South America. Right wing economic policies alway create a wealthy class which lives in gated communities, and a permanent underclass living in slums.

You mean like those "right-wingers" do in Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, South Africa, where socialism and communism are failing?

Actually, the Venezuela's problems have nothing to do with "socialism", and everything to do with generations of whip-saw politics going from right wing military dictatorships, to populist leftist authoritarianism. While technically "socialist" because the government owns the oil industry, this is not a country where the people have ever really had a say in their governance.

Venezuela is what you get after years of mismanagement and chaos. Like having the Trump White House running things for 50 years. Although Venezuela has had period of peace and economic stability, which would never happen with 50 years of Trumpian rule.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They've produced a record number of political billionaires; no other system even comes close

Au contraire. The oligarchs of Russia, the elites of Central and South America. Right wing economic policies alway create a wealthy class which lives in gated communities, and a permanent underclass living in slums.

You mean like those "right-wingers" do in Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, South Africa, where socialism and communism are failing?

Actually, the Venezuela's problems have nothing to do with "socialism", and everything to do with generations of whip-saw politics going from right wing military dictatorships, to populist leftist authoritarianism. While technically "socialist" because the government owns the oil industry, this is not a country where the people have ever really had a say in their governance.

Venezuela is what you get after years of mismanagement and chaos. Like having the Trump White House running things for 50 years. Although Venezuela has had period of peace and economic stability, which would never happen with 50 years of Trumpian rule.

Fucking ridiculous. Absolutely fucking ridiculous. So stupid and dangerous

 

[Dragonlady]

NY just gave up an opportunity to increase jobs and income tax revenue.

The richest corporation in the WORLD was demanding a 3 BILLION dollar tax break to move there despite the pressure they were going to put on the infra structure of NY

And they pay no taxes for federal or state..A waste of infrastructure just to get a business to operate. That is bullshit. I never have gotten a tax break after thirty five years of running a business, but then again I am not a greedy robber baron.

Government was established to serve you and your business. If a tax break yields more jobs, lower unemployment, more individual income, and goodwill to beget more businesses and jobs, that’s not being a greedy robber baron. Further, don’t think that a Government cannot be greedy. Heavy government politicos like Hillary Clinton actually use the word “take” when it comes to business.

If they did, yes, the left would endorse tax cuts for billionaires, but supply side economics don't work. "Trickle down" economics as instituted under Ronald Reagan, and which George H.W. Bush initially campaigned against as "voodoo economics" and then embraced as his VP, is a proven failure. Reagan's job growth wasn't the result of his tax cuts, it was the result of his military spending spree, all of which was on borrowed money.

There is absolutely no evidence that tax cuts create jobs, and much evidence that it actually costs jobs. Supply doesn't create jobs, supply and demand creates jobs. No tax cut has EVER paid for itself. Not once in the history of the nation. Reaganomics has stifled demand for 40 years by stifling the wages of the consumer classes.

What works is "Supply and Demand". Supply side tilts the economic table to the wealthy, and since Reagan's first round of tax cuts, wealth has trickled steadily but inexorably to the top, at the expense of the working poor and the middle class. Supply side economics is enriching the investor class at the expense of the middle class, which is shrinking. More people are now falling back into poverty that are rising to the ranks of the wealthy in the USA.

This impoverishing of the middle class is NOT happening in any other first world nation, because the rest of us have tax codes which favour working citizens and not corporations and the wealthy. The rest of the world is currently doing much better for its citizens than the USA is doing for theirs. Americans are fighting over building walls, when they should be building bridges, schools, and infrastructure. They're fighting expensive wars when they should be fighting opioid addiction, racial discrimination, and poverty.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. Trump is dividing Americans as never before, and Putin is gloating at his success.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Do free markets require strict government regulation to make them fair?

You're right that neither party promotes or supports a market system.

Strict regulation often leads to more cronyism.

Without question and without fail.

We won't have good capitalism until we make it much more difficult to corrupt our politicians. As long as they are easily bought cronyism will rule.

We have deeper (state) problems that ensure no honest government can exist.

The leader of a failed coup walks free to appear on hate night TV with the bush league comics. Yes, a free market would benefit all, but we are not a free nation.

Moron doesn’t know what a coup is

Traitor thinks a coup is okay, as long as his party wins.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

THE PEOPLE'S CAR