Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[Lesh]

You really think Amazon needs helps running other companies out of business?

You ought to rethink that.

Amazon is doing that using the capitalism you bow to.

 

[Brain357]

Our politicians are very easily corrupted. Do you really think corrupt politicians create good regulation?

I think we need to get the obscene amount of MONEY out of politics

ANd we can start by recognizing that corporations are NOT people and make campaign laws reflect that realization

I agree with that. But until that is done you won't have anything that looks like good regulation. Corrupt politicians can't created good regulation. The best politicians with the best intentions create bad regulations with unintended consequences. Corrupt politicians just create bad regulations.

 

[SandSquid]

what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world

Looks like it's going to break ground on a new wall if it gets through the courts.

 

[Brain357]

You really think Amazon needs helps running other companies out of business?

You ought to rethink that.

Amazon is doing that using the capitalism you bow to.

Amazon is getting a whole lot of help from the government. The government is picking winners and losers by offering one company a sweet tax deal over another.

 

[SandSquid]

I'm a free market capitalist. Free markets is good capitalism. Neither party is for free market capitalism.

Do free markets require strict government regulation to make them fair?

You're right that neither party promotes or supports a market system.

Strict regulation often leads to more cronyism.

Without question and without fail.

We won't have good capitalism until we make it much more difficult to corrupt our politicians. As long as they are easily bought cronyism will rule.

We have deeper (state) problems that ensure no honest government can exist.

The leader of a failed coup walks free to appear on hate night TV with the bush league comics. Yes, a free market would benefit all, but we are not a free nation.

A coup is an illegal takeover.

Discussing the legal methods where Congress and the Vice President could remove a President who may be compromised by a foreign government if proof is found is not that. That's a Constitutional power. Which a LOT of people seem to hate that US Constitution we have.

Not me though. I love this country and our Constitution. But a lot of us wish we had laws more like Russia where there is no such power.

 

[sealybobo]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Social security, Medicare, public schools, fair elections

 

[SandSquid]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Social security, Medicare, public schools, fair elections

A LOT of crops too. I mean last years socialization of our soybean farming was pretty impressive. Sure they would prefer trade partners, but with that taken away, socializing the industry is a fine choice I guess.

 

[sealybobo]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Social security, Medicare, public schools, fair elections

A LOT of crops too. I mean last years socialization of our soybean farming was pretty impressive. Sure they would prefer trade partners, but with that taken away, socializing the industry is a fine choice I guess.

Here is what unregulated capitalism produces. Walmart jobs where they pay below poverty so their workers are subsidized by the government who gives these people foodstamps where they spend them at, get ready for it....Walmart.

Brilliant really.

 

[SandSquid]

And Bankruptcy protection is a great one. Force the masses to take on that cost of an individuals failure in business for the greater good of the state. Lots of rich people have built their empires off of that socialist safety net.

 

[sealybobo]

And Bankruptcy protection is a great one. Force the masses to take on that cost of an individuals failure in business for the greater good of the state. Lots of rich people have built their empires off of that socialist safety net.

Trump for one. Did you read trumps book? There are two chapter 11s in his book. Lol

 

[Lesh]

I agree with that. But until that is done you won't have anything that looks like good regulation.

But rather than addressing the actual problem you put your efforts into removing regulations which makes the problem worse?

Oh...

Amazon is getting a whole lot of help from the government. The government is picking winners and losers by offering one company a sweet tax deal over another.

You seem to be arguing both sides.

Amazon tried to get that sweet deal...and the people of NY said NO

 

[Moonglow]

"what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured"

Death and subjugation.

Non-communist nations did the same and....

How many did America's "Great Leap Forward" kill?

around two million Native American Indians.

It's what happens when a useless hunter-gatherer-nomad culture from the Neolithic Age meets a vastly more advanced one.

Nature de-selected them.

But that was long ago, and most folks no longer remember, or care in the slightest.

Except the injuns that still are aggrieved. But history remembers also just like this OP...

 

[Moonglow]

NY just gave up an opportunity to increase jobs and income tax revenue.

The richest corporation in the WORLD was demanding a 3 BILLION dollar tax break to move there despite the pressure they were going to put on the infra structure of NY

And they pay no taxes for federal or state..A waste of infrastructure just to get a business to operate. That is bullshit. I never have gotten a tax break after thirty five years of running a business, but then again I am not a greedy robber baron.

 

[Dragonlady]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They made it into orbit before we did, and China plans on having a moon base before long, far ahead of us.

Next stupid question.

Yet, they stole their space and missile technology from a capitalist country, Germany. Or from us, as in the case of China.

But I will give them credit for the AK-47. That is one magnificent piece of machinery.

You asked for ONE accomplishment and now you dimiss it as "stolen". Most of the patents issued by the US Patent office, arent' American inventions. Everyone in the world files their patents in the USA because you have the strongest most protective patent laws in the world, but Americans are no brighter or cleverer than people in the rest of the world. And given the low quality of education in your country, a lot LESS educated.

 

[LeftofLeft]

NY just gave up an opportunity to increase jobs and income tax revenue.

The richest corporation in the WORLD was demanding a 3 BILLION dollar tax break to move there despite the pressure they were going to put on the infra structure of NY

And they pay no taxes for federal or state..A waste of infrastructure just to get a business to operate. That is bullshit. I never have gotten a tax break after thirty five years of running a business, but then again I am not a greedy robber baron.

Government was established to serve you and your business. If a tax break yields more jobs, lower unemployment, more individual income, and goodwill to beget more businesses and jobs, that’s not being a greedy robber baron. Further, don’t think that a Government cannot be greedy. Heavy government politicos like Hillary Clinton actually use the word “take” when it comes to business.

 

[Brain357]

I agree with that. But until that is done you won't have anything that looks like good regulation.

But rather than addressing the actual problem you put your efforts into removing regulations which makes the problem worse?

Oh...

Amazon is getting a whole lot of help from the government. The government is picking winners and losers by offering one company a sweet tax deal over another.

You seem to be arguing both sides.

Amazon tried to get that sweet deal...and the people of NY said NO

I haven’t discussed removing regulations. Corporate lobbyists do often get advantages for their company through regulations.

Both sides? I’m against special tax deals for private business. It is not good capitalism.

 

[sealybobo]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Social security, Medicare, public schools, fair elections

A LOT of crops too. I mean last years socialization of our soybean farming was pretty impressive. Sure they would prefer trade partners, but with that taken away, socializing the industry is a fine choice I guess.

Was this what you were referring to?

Trump Trade War Triggering $1.9 Billion Plunge In Farm Exports: USDA
Soybean exports to China have fallen more than 90 percent.

 

[Brain357]

NY just gave up an opportunity to increase jobs and income tax revenue.

The richest corporation in the WORLD was demanding a 3 BILLION dollar tax break to move there despite the pressure they were going to put on the infra structure of NY

And they pay no taxes for federal or state..A waste of infrastructure just to get a business to operate. That is bullshit. I never have gotten a tax break after thirty five years of running a business, but then again I am not a greedy robber baron.

Government was established to serve you and your business. If a tax break yields more jobs, lower unemployment, more individual income, and goodwill to beget more businesses and jobs, that’s not being a greedy robber baron. Further, don’t think that a Government cannot be greedy. Heavy government politicos like Hillary Clinton actually use the word “take” when it comes to business.

More government influence on private business isn’t good capitalism. Sounds much more like socialism....

 

[rightwinger]

Soviet T 34 tank defeated the Nazis

 

[JGalt]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They made it into orbit before we did, and China plans on having a moon base before long, far ahead of us.

Next stupid question.

Yet, they stole their space and missile technology from a capitalist country, Germany. Or from us, as in the case of China.

But I will give them credit for the AK-47. That is one magnificent piece of machinery.

You asked for ONE accomplishment and now you dimiss it as "stolen". Most of the patents issued by the US Patent office, arent' American inventions. Everyone in the world files their patents in the USA because you have the strongest most protective patent laws in the world, but Americans are no brighter or cleverer than people in the rest of the world. And given the low quality of education in your country, a lot LESS educated.

So what inventions has your socialist county given the world?