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You're going to have to explain that for him. He is literally the most obtuse person on this site.
He doesn't know the first thing about Occam's razor, and neither do you. Hardly surprising since you both believe that committees determine the validity of scientific theories.
Well said. those same scientific societies are the same ones that said Alfred Wegener was an idiot for postulating such an absurd theory as Plate Tectonics. He was a meteorologist too you know, oh yes and an astronomer....so he wasn't qualified to speak on matters of geology.
Of course, as we all know now, he was absolutely correct, the geologists of the time were abject morons and he has been proven to be one of the great polymaths of all human history.
Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?
Climatologists Trade Tips on Destroying Evidence, Evangelizing Warming
Penn State researcher and his CRU/IPCC colleague treated AGW like a religious "cause" despite warnings from peers
Anthropogenic global warming is a fascinating hypothesis that mankind may be able to systematically increase the Earth's temperature in the long term by burning deposits of hydrocarbon fuels. But the key thing to note is that despite the intriguing premise, little definitive information has been determined in this field even as politicization runs rife. In fact, researchers are still struggling to explain why warming has stalled in the last decade even as levels of carbon dioxide -- supposedly the most important greenhouse gas have rose.
I. Climatologists "Pull an Enron", Shred the Evidence
The recent University of California, Berkley "BEST" study -- perhaps the most comprehensive climate change investigation to date -- was blasted by AGW proponents. They were upset that the study -- funded in part by the charity of a major oil entrepreneur -- highlighted the fact that temperatures had flat lined over the past decade, and were more upset still that the study suggested that other factors like sea currents could have driven the warming that occurred in the 1960s-1990s.
But newly reportedly leaked emails reveal that accusations of bias are perhaps a bit of projection. The new emails include discussions that sound as shocking or more so as the infamous "Climategate" emails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU).
The new emails revisit embattled climate researcher-cum-AGW evangelist Phil Jones, a scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
In one email Professor Jones explains to researchers how to best hide their work to prevent anyone from being able to replicate it and find errors:
I've been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information] Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process. Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get and has to be well hidden. I've discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.
Of course Phil Jones and his supporters will likely claim that the emails were taken out of context of some larger more appropriate discussion. But as a researcher it's pretty damning to make comments that even would seem to imply that you were engaging in trying to suppress peer review of questionable data -- academic fraud.
Particularly trouble is the phrase "cover yourself", which suggest a conspiratorial, political undertone to what is supposed to be a transparent field of research.
The emails contain outright requests for the destruction of professional communications regarding research in an effort to cover up public scrutiny of public flaws. The leaks add yet another humiliating scandal to Pennsylvania State University as they implicate prominent Penn State climatologist Michael Mann even more directly than the last release.
Writes the Professor Jones to Professor Mann:
Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment]? Keith will do likewise. We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site] claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!
Some professors and experts even tried to reach out to Professor Mann, warning him of the danger of turning science into religion by purposefully ignoring evidence. Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office writes:
Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary. I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.
Even Tom Wigley, a scientist at the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research who was implicated in the first CRU email scandal for suggesting the removal of an editor who allowed peer-reviewed skeptical studies to be published, seemed to agree on this extreme instance:
Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC.
The IPCC did eventually change the draft somewhat -- perhaps due to this feedback -- but critics say it still did far too much cherry picking of its sources.
II. Forget Science: You're Either For the Cause, Or You're Against It
n a later email, Professor Mann implies AGW advocacy is a political/pseudo-religious "cause" and that those who question it on scientific merits are enemies of the "cause". He writes, "I gave up on [Georgia Institute of Technology climate professor] Judith Curry a while ago. I dont know what she thinks shes doing, but its not helping the cause."
Ironically, Professor Curry appears to be the only one behaving like a true scientist. The emails neglect the forgotten truth that the distinguished Georgia Institute of Technology began as a believed in man-made global warming, publishing a notable 2005 study published in the prestigious Science journal investigating the potential correlation between hurricanes and man-made temperature increases.
The study earned scathing criticism from warming skeptics, but rather than treat her work as religious dogma, she carefully considered the criticism. Supported by her co-author, she personally met with some prominent critics and considered their claims. After all, she recalls in a Scientific American interview, "We were generally aware of these problems when we wrote the paper, but the critics argued that these issues were much more significant than we had acknowledged."
Soon she began to blog for AGW a skeptical blog run by Roger Pielke, Jr., a professor of environmental studies at the University of Colorado, and Climate Audit, run by statistician Steve McIntyre. She began blogging hoping to convince skeptics of the merits of AGW theory via an open discussion. But in time she found herself increasingly troubled by the lack of transparency and conclusive evidence on such an important topic. She singles out the IPCC as a particularly guilty party, accusing it of outright "corruption."
Given the released emails it's hard to argue with that assessment. Writes Jonathan Overpeck, lead coordinating author of the IPCC's most recent climate assessment:
The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] whats included and what is left out.
Aside from destroying evidence and ostracizing colleagues, the emails also reveal another sign of dogma and the antithesis of science -- ignorance. In one email Phil Jones admits he has no idea how to perform the basic statistical analysis that forms the basis of one of his past claims, writing:
I keep on seeing people saying this same stupid thing. I'm not adept enough (totally inept) with excel to do this now as no-one who knows how to is here. What you have to do is to take the numbers in column C (the years) and then those in D (the anomalies for each year), plot them and then work out the linear trend. The slope is upwards. I had someone do this in early 2006, and the trend was upwards then. It will be now. Trend won't be statistically significant, but the trend is up.
III. When in Doubt, Deny
Already AGW advocates are jumping to the defense of the researchers implicated in the scandal. Writes Mother Jones' Kate Sheppard:
Rather than smearing scientists, reporters might want to try some actual reporting.
The new round of hacked emails from climate scientists floating around the internet hasn't generated the same buzz as the last iterationat least not yet. But in certain circles, it's playing out much like the first batch of emails did in 2009. In addition to the tranche of emails, the poster included a list of "greatest hits"short quotes from the emails taken out of their context that are intended to paint scientists as scheming or lying. The entire batch was quickly posted in searchable format on another site.
But such critical reports have thus far failed to actually provide virtually any such contextual explanations, despite their suggestion that they must exist. Further, the critics of the email publication are ignoring the fact that there are certain types of things that researchers should know to never say -- such as making comments that even sound like suggesting the destruction of academic evidence.
The reports also ignore the fact that while it's easy to accuse the media, the oil industry, et al. for a mass conspiracy to silence anthropogenic global warming advocates, there's just as compelling a cause for AGW proponents to conspire to silence their critics in a dogmatic, non-scientific fashion.
Such an approach not only guarantees researchers lucrative research grants, it guarantees their political allies potential billions of dollars in windfalls in "carbon credits" and other AGW-inspired wealth redistribution schemes. Al Gore in particular has made close to a billion dollars based on his evangelizing AGW in lectures, film; via carbon credit investments; and by pushing the government to funnel money to his high-risk "green energy" investments in the name of fighting AGW.
Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?
No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How embarrassing for you to have posted what looks like sour grapes.
Who should people trust? EVERY SCIENTIFIC BODY ON THE PLANET or some guy on an interwebs forum posting from a right wing blog?
So called "scientific bodies" are run by a gang of political hacks who are dependent on government for their income. Anyone who things science is the result of decisions made by some committee simply unmasks himself as an ignoramus who doesn't know the first thing about science. All the committees in the world could vote that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but that wouldn't make it so. Calling that "scientific opinion" is the joke of the century.
So your rebuttal is that ALL the worlds scientists are in on the BIGGEST HOAX in history?
BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Occham's razor my friend. Occham's razor.
Why indeed.Why is the solution to AGW as simple as redistributing the wealth?
The IPCC did eventually change the draft somewhat -- perhaps due to this feedback -- but critics say it still did far too much cherry picking of its sources.
The IPCC did eventually change the draft somewhat -- perhaps due to this feedback -- but critics say it still did far too much cherry picking of its sources.
Then it must be TRUE
The IPCC did eventually change the draft somewhat -- perhaps due to this feedback -- but critics say it still did far too much cherry picking of its sources.
Then it must be TRUE
Yes, tell that to Wegener.
Interesting article, more for what it leaves out than anything. It looks like partial cherry picked out of context quotes and claims. Where are these supposed "newly leaked" emails in their entirety?
Who?
And what is being "denied"?Interesting article, more for what it leaves out than anything. It looks like partial cherry picked out of context quotes and claims. Where are these supposed "newly leaked" emails in their entirety?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the entire climate change denial movement.
Interesting article, more for what it leaves out than anything. It looks like partial cherry picked out of context quotes and claims. Where are these supposed "newly leaked" emails in their entirety?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the entire climate change denial movement.
interesting article, more for what it leaves out than anything. it looks like partial cherry picked out of context quotes and claims. where are these supposed "newly leaked" emails in their entirety?
ladies and gentlemen, i give you the entire climate change denial movement.
ladies and gentlemen, i give you the state of climate alarmism. Scientists who knowingly pass off bad information are the norm for you guys. Congrats. In two years your masters will have completely discredited science as a whole. All for a few million in their pockets.
And that is criminal.
To: Gabi hegerl; klaus hasselmann
cc: Prof.dr. Hans von storch; myles allen; francis; reiner schnur; phil jones; tom crowley; nathan gillett; david karoly; jesse kenyon; [email protected]; pennell, william t; tett, simon; ben santer; karl taylor; stott, peter; bamzai, anjuli
subject: Re: Spring meeting
not to be a trouble maker but……if we are going to really get into the paleo stuff, maybe someone(s) ought to have another look at mann’s paper. His statistics were suspect as i remember. For instance, i seem to remember he used, say, 4 eofs as predictors. But he prescreened them and threw one away because it was not useful. Then made a model with the remaining three, ignoring the fact he had originally considered 4 predictors. He never added an artifical skill measure to account for this but based significance on 3 predictors. Might not make any difference. My memory is probably faulty on these issues, but to be completely even handed we ought to be sure we agree with his procedures. Best, tim
Interesting article, more for what it leaves out than anything. It looks like partial cherry picked out of context quotes and claims. Where are these supposed "newly leaked" emails in their entirety?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the entire climate change denial movement.
ladies and gentlemen, i give you the entire climate change denial movement.
ladies and gentlemen, i give you the state of climate alarmism. Scientists who knowingly pass off bad information are the norm for you guys. Congrats. In two years your masters will have completely discredited science as a whole. All for a few million in their pockets.
And that is criminal.
To: Gabi hegerl; klaus hasselmann
cc: Prof.dr. Hans von storch; myles allen; francis; reiner schnur; phil jones; tom crowley; nathan gillett; david karoly; jesse kenyon; [email protected]; pennell, william t; tett, simon; ben santer; karl taylor; stott, peter; bamzai, anjuli
subject: Re: Spring meeting
not to be a trouble maker but if we are going to really get into the paleo stuff, maybe someone(s) ought to have another look at manns paper. His statistics were suspect as i remember. For instance, i seem to remember he used, say, 4 eofs as predictors. But he prescreened them and threw one away because it was not useful. Then made a model with the remaining three, ignoring the fact he had originally considered 4 predictors. He never added an artifical skill measure to account for this but based significance on 3 predictors. Might not make any difference. My memory is probably faulty on these issues, but to be completely even handed we ought to be sure we agree with his procedures. Best, tim
and
? Who the fuck is Tim and why should we care?
Interesting article, more for what it leaves out than anything. It looks like partial cherry picked out of context quotes and claims. Where are these supposed "newly leaked" emails in their entirety?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the entire climate change denial movement.
Thankyou very much................
Just wanted to make a small correction.............
That would be, "The entire climate change denial movement that is winning!!!"
