Cooling? Really?

[Old Rocks]

Of the 20 warmest years in the last 150, the oldest on the lists is 1987. And for the top ten, only one is not within the last 12 years, that being 1998. This year, in spite of being a double La Nina year, ranks between 9th and 11th on the list.

Anyone care to guess where the next El Nino year is going to put us. And we, the whole world, pumped out a record amount of GHGs this year.

Despite warm autumn, 2011 temperatures fail to reach record highs | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Top 20 hottest years on record
Global mean temperature anomalies for the three main datasets (Nasa, Noaa, Met Office)
HadCRUT3 NOAA NCDC NASA GISS
1 1998 0.52 2010 0.52 2010 0.56
2 2010 0.5 2005 0.52 2005 0.55
3 2005 0.47 1998 0.5 2007 0.51
4 2003 0.46 2003 0.49 2009 0.5
5 2002 0.46 2002 0.48 2002 0.49
6 2009 0.44 2006 0.46 1998 0.49
7 2004 0.43 2009 0.46 2006 0.48
8 2006 0.43 2007 0.45 2003 0.48
9 2007 0.4 2004 0.45 2011 0.45
10 2001 0.4 2001 0.42 2004 0.41
11 2011 0.36 2011 0.41 2001 0.4
12 1997 0.36 2008 0.38 2008 0.37
13 2008 0.31 1997 0.38 1997 0.32
14 1995 0.28 1999 0.32 1995 0.3
15 1999 0.26 1995 0.31 1990 0.29
16 1990 0.25 2000 0.29 1991 0.28
17 2000 0.24 1990 0.29 2000 0.26
18 1991 0.2 1991 0.24 1999 0.25
19 1983 0.19 1988 0.2 1988 0.24
20 1987 0.17 1987 0.2 1996 0.22

 

[westwall]

Yep, when your point of origin is wrong it's pretty easy to have whatever readings you wish. Wonder what will happen when the stations are repaired? Oh, yes, during this decade of record warmth how many millions of animals have died due to cold? Several million? And how many died when the temperatures weren't "record hot"? None? Really?

So you're trying to tell us, that when the global temps weren't at record high levels no animals were dying due to cold. But now that these record temps are being broken and the world is heating up at super duper pooper fast rates, now animals are dying from cold.

How exactly does that work?

"The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) maintains a network of weather-monitoring stations known as the U.S. Historical Climatology Network (USHCN), which monitors the nation's climate and analyzes long-term surface temperature trends. Recent reports have shown that some stations in the USHCN are not sited in accordance with NOAA's standards, which state that temperature instruments should be located away from extensive paved surfaces or obstructions such as buildings and trees. GAO was asked to examine (1) how NOAA chose stations for the USHCN, (2) the extent to which these stations meet siting standards and other requirements, and (3) the extent to which NOAA tracks USHCN stations' adherence to siting standards and other requirements and has established a policy for addressing nonadherence to siting standards. GAO reviewed data and documents, interviewed key NOAA officials, surveyed the 116 NOAA weather forecast offices responsible for managing stations in the USHCN, and visited 8 forecast offices.

In choosing USHCN stations from a larger set of existing weather-monitoring stations, NOAA placed a high priority on achieving a relatively uniform geographic distribution of stations across the contiguous 48 states. NOAA balanced geographic distribution with other factors, including a desire for a long history of temperature records, limited periods of missing data, and stability of a station's location and other measurement conditions, since changes in such conditions can cause temperature shifts unrelated to climate trends. NOAA had to make certain exceptions, such as including many stations that had incomplete temperature records. In general, the extent to which the stations met NOAA's siting standards played a limited role in the designation process, in part because NOAA officials considered other factors, such as geographic distribution and a long history of records, to be more important. USHCN stations meet NOAA's siting standards and management requirements to varying degrees. According to GAO's survey of weather forecast offices, about 42 percent of the active stations in 2010 did not meet one or more of the siting standards. With regard to management requirements, GAO found that the weather forecast offices had generally but not always met the requirements to conduct annual station inspections and to update station records. NOAA officials told GAO that it is important to annually visit stations and keep records up to date, including siting conditions, so that NOAA and other users of the data know the conditions under which they were recorded. NOAA officials identified a variety of challenges that contribute to some stations not adhering to siting standards and management requirements, including the use of temperature-measuring equipment that is connected by a cable to an indoor readout device--which can require installing equipment closer to buildings than specified in the siting standards. NOAA does not centrally track whether USHCN stations adhere to siting standards and the requirement to update station records, and it does not have an agencywide policy regarding stations that do not meet its siting standards. Performance management guidelines call for using performance information to assess program results. NOAA's information systems, however, are not designed to centrally track whether stations in the USHCN meet its siting standards or the requirement to update station records. Without centrally available information, NOAA cannot easily measure the performance of the USHCN in meeting siting standards and management requirements. Furthermore, federal internal control standards call for agencies to document their policies and procedures to help managers achieve desired results. NOAA has not developed an agencywide policy, however, that clarifies for agency staff whether stations that do not adhere to siting standards should remain open because the continuity of the data is important, or should be moved or closed. As a result, weather forecast offices do not have a basis for making consistent decisions to address stations that do not meet the siting standards. GAO recommends that NOAA enhance its information systems to centrally capture information useful in managing the USHCN and develop a policy on how to address stations that do not meet its siting standards. NOAA agreed with GAO's recommendations."


U.S. GAO - Climate Monitoring: NOAA Can Improve Management of the U.S. Historical Climatology Network

 

[The Infidel]

Here in Houston we might get snow again soon.... I have not seen this much snow in our region EVER!
Several years in a row now...

But the idiots still trumpet global warmig, or is it climate change now?

Whackjob idiots!

 

[westwall]

Here in Houston we might get snow again soon.... I have not seen this much snow in our region EVER!
Several years in a row now...

But the idiots still trumpet global warmig, or is it climate change now?

Whackjob idiots!

Actually now it's globalwarmingclimatedisruptionchange or something like that... I think....
at least for today.......or is that for tomorrow????

 

[skookerasbil]

This is nothing except nature being nature. Its always been this way since the beginning of time.

Here in New York I wore a summer polo shirt today. Its been unseasonably mild for most of the fall. The leaves came down real late. Could it possibly be because some species can now thrive this year ( in recent years, the first week of December in New York has seen bitter cold)?? Could it be about balance? Meanwhile, down south, its cold as all shit!!! Balance? When some species dominates, it effects other species ability to survive. I'm talking brush......insects..........mammals..........etc...........
Who can say its not about balance?

The answer is..............NOBODY.


Just like nobody can say that man causes climate change.


And remember..........opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one!!!





On species adapting to a changing climate...............thirve or perish? Scientists just dont know based upon current AND historical evidence!!!

Could species evolve to adapt to climate change? | GlobalPost

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[Old Rocks]

Here in Houston we might get snow again soon.... I have not seen this much snow in our region EVER!
Several years in a row now...

But the idiots still trumpet global warmig, or is it climate change now?

Whackjob idiots!

Seems you people have a lot of things in Houston.

Seems you represent the over abundance there of whackjob idiots, Infand.

So you have record heat and drought in the summer and are getting record snowfall in the winter. Kind of like "wider and wilder swings in the weather with an overall warming"

Houston Plagued With Mosquitos, Fleas and Burst Water Pipes - ABC News

Houston is suffering through its worst drought in decades, and the misery is being compounded by a plague of mosquitoes carrying West Nile virus, infestations of fleas, and a cascade of bursting water pipes that are spilling the city's precious water supply.

Most worrisome for the city is the sudden surge in the number of mosquitoes carrying West Nile.

"This summer we had an incredibly dry, very hot summer and so that will do nothing but increase the positive number of mosquitoes," said Kristy Murray, an assistant professor at the University of Texas Health Science Center, who has studied the West Nile virus for nine years.

More than three times the number of mosquitoes as last year have tested positive for West Nile virus, according to Dr. Rudy Bueno of the Harris County Public Health & Environmental Services Mosquito Control division.

With so little water and such high temperatures, mosquitoes and birds are coming into more frequent contact as they seek out the same limited water sources. The birds, which carry West Nile, transmit the virus to the mosquitoes when the birds are bitten, Murray said.

 

[Old Rocks]

Poor dumb Walleyes, still trying the Wotts up with that gambit. Sorry, Dr. Muller destroyed that silly bit of BS. By the way, what day is your presentation at the AGU Conferance? I would not want to miss it.

 

[code1211]

Here in Houston we might get snow again soon.... I have not seen this much snow in our region EVER!
Several years in a row now...

But the idiots still trumpet global warmig, or is it climate change now?

Whackjob idiots!

Actually now it's globalwarmingclimatedisruptionchange or something like that... I think....
at least for today.......or is that for tomorrow????

I misread that as "...climatescripturechange".

 

[code1211]

Of the 20 warmest years in the last 150, the oldest on the lists is 1987. And for the top ten, only one is not within the last 12 years, that being 1998. This year, in spite of being a double La Nina year, ranks between 9th and 11th on the list.

Anyone care to guess where the next El Nino year is going to put us. And we, the whole world, pumped out a record amount of GHGs this year.

Despite warm autumn, 2011 temperatures fail to reach record highs | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Top 20 hottest years on record
Global mean temperature anomalies for the three main datasets (Nasa, Noaa, Met Office)
HadCRUT3 NOAA NCDC NASA GISS
1 1998 0.52 2010 0.52 2010 0.56
2 2010 0.5 2005 0.52 2005 0.55
3 2005 0.47 1998 0.5 2007 0.51
4 2003 0.46 2003 0.49 2009 0.5
5 2002 0.46 2002 0.48 2002 0.49
6 2009 0.44 2006 0.46 1998 0.49
7 2004 0.43 2009 0.46 2006 0.48
8 2006 0.43 2007 0.45 2003 0.48
9 2007 0.4 2004 0.45 2011 0.45
10 2001 0.4 2001 0.42 2004 0.41
11 2011 0.36 2011 0.41 2001 0.4
12 1997 0.36 2008 0.38 2008 0.37
13 2008 0.31 1997 0.38 1997 0.32
14 1995 0.28 1999 0.32 1995 0.3
15 1999 0.26 1995 0.31 1990 0.29
16 1990 0.25 2000 0.29 1991 0.28
17 2000 0.24 1990 0.29 2000 0.26
18 1991 0.2 1991 0.24 1999 0.25
19 1983 0.19 1988 0.2 1988 0.24
20 1987 0.17 1987 0.2 1996 0.22

So, to re-cap, we are at the all time recorded instrumental high of CO2 right now. Years warmer than 2011 during the last ten years are have been:

Coolest: 2011
Warmer than 2011:
2010
2009
2007
2006
2005
2003
2002
2001

So of the ten years to date, this year is the coolest except for one. Again this is happening as the thing you claim to be the prime driver of climate change is at the all time high.

What about the present cooling represents warming to you?

 

[westwall]

Poor dumb Walleyes, still trying the Wotts up with that gambit. Sorry, Dr. Muller destroyed that silly bit of BS. By the way, what day is your presentation at the AGU Conferance? I would not want to miss it.

You can get back to me when you can explain millions of animal deaths from cold in a "warmest year on record" yet when it wasn't so warm critters weren't dying from cold.

When you've figured out how to rationalise that one get back to us.

 

[Old Rocks]

Walleyes, you flapped yap, now link to a credible source concerning those 'millions' of dead animals.

As usual, you won't.

Water concerns rising as cattle die in dry Texas - BusinessWeek

The unrelenting Texas drought has produced a cruelly ironic twist: cattle dying from too much water.

Agriculture officials in parched Texas said Wednesday there are no hard numbers on how many head of cattle have died but reports of deaths from too much water or too little are showing up across the nation's leading cattle production state.

"They over drink because they're thirsty," said Dr. Robert Sprowls of the Texas Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory in Amarillo. "Once they fill up on water it happens pretty quickly."

Producers are losing cattle after moving them from withered pastures where water tanks have dried up. Once in new pastures, cattle that die take in too much water too quickly. The animals die within minutes and their carcasses are found near the stock tanks from which they were drinking, Ted McCollum, a beef cattle specialist with Texas AgriLife Extension Service in Amarillo, said.

Texas is coming off its driest nine-month period ever and its hottest June on record. More than 90 percent of the state is in the two most severe drought stages. The cattle deaths are occurring earlier, in part because of lack of forage growth in pastures.
.............................................................................................................................

DURANGO, Mexico — This country's sun-baked northern states are suffering under the worst drought since the government began recording rainfall 70 years ago. Crops are withering. About 1.7 million cattle have died of starvation and thirst.

Hardest hit are five states in Mexico's north, a region that is being parched by the same drought that has dried out the U.S. Southwest. The government is trucking water to 1,500 villages and sending food to poor farmers who've lost all their crops.

Life isn't likely to get better soon. The next rainy season isn't due until June, and there's no guarantee normal rains will come then.

Most years, Guillermo Marin harvests 10 tons of corn and beans from his fields. This year, he got just a single ton of beans. And most of the 82-year-old farmer's fellow growers in this part of Durango state weren't able to harvest anything at all.



Read more: Agriculture dries up in northern Mexico - San Antonio Express-News

 

[Old Rocks]

Poor dumb Walleyes, still trying the Wotts up with that gambit. Sorry, Dr. Muller destroyed that silly bit of BS. By the way, what day is your presentation at the AGU Conferance? I would not want to miss it.

You can get back to me when you can explain millions of animal deaths from cold in a "warmest year on record" yet when it wasn't so warm critters weren't dying from cold.

When you've figured out how to rationalise that one get back to us.

OK, dummy, once again, "wilder and wider swings, with an overall warming'.

Thank you for confirming that, even though you exagerate the number of cold deaths by a couple of orders of magnitude.

 

[westwall]

Walleyes, you flapped yap, now link to a credible source concerning those 'millions' of dead animals.

As usual, you won't.

Water concerns rising as cattle die in dry Texas - BusinessWeek

The unrelenting Texas drought has produced a cruelly ironic twist: cattle dying from too much water.

Agriculture officials in parched Texas said Wednesday there are no hard numbers on how many head of cattle have died but reports of deaths from too much water or too little are showing up across the nation's leading cattle production state.

"They over drink because they're thirsty," said Dr. Robert Sprowls of the Texas Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory in Amarillo. "Once they fill up on water it happens pretty quickly."

Producers are losing cattle after moving them from withered pastures where water tanks have dried up. Once in new pastures, cattle that die take in too much water too quickly. The animals die within minutes and their carcasses are found near the stock tanks from which they were drinking, Ted McCollum, a beef cattle specialist with Texas AgriLife Extension Service in Amarillo, said.

Texas is coming off its driest nine-month period ever and its hottest June on record. More than 90 percent of the state is in the two most severe drought stages. The cattle deaths are occurring earlier, in part because of lack of forage growth in pastures.
.............................................................................................................................

DURANGO, Mexico — This country's sun-baked northern states are suffering under the worst drought since the government began recording rainfall 70 years ago. Crops are withering. About 1.7 million cattle have died of starvation and thirst.

Hardest hit are five states in Mexico's north, a region that is being parched by the same drought that has dried out the U.S. Southwest. The government is trucking water to 1,500 villages and sending food to poor farmers who've lost all their crops.

Life isn't likely to get better soon. The next rainy season isn't due until June, and there's no guarantee normal rains will come then.

Most years, Guillermo Marin harvests 10 tons of corn and beans from his fields. This year, he got just a single ton of beans. And most of the 82-year-old farmer's fellow growers in this part of Durango state weren't able to harvest anything at all.



Read more: Agriculture dries up in northern Mexico - San Antonio Express-News

Now why on Earth would I not provide a link (this one from Nature BTW) that proves what an abject moron you are? Now, this is only for the Bolivian fish. I can find the link for the 1.6 million critters that died in Mongolia during the winter of 2009 I believe it was, would you like me to find that one for you as well?


Cold empties Bolivian rivers of fish

Antarctic cold snap kills millions of aquatic animals in the Amazon.

Anna Petherick


The San Julián fish farm in the Santa Cruz department of Bolivia lost 15 tonnes of pacú fish in the extreme cold.Never Tejerina

With high Andean peaks and a humid tropical forest, Bolivia is a country of ecological extremes. But during the Southern Hemisphere's recent winter, unusually low temperatures in part of the country's tropical region hit freshwater species hard, killing an estimated 6 million fish and thousands of alligators, turtles and river dolphins.

Scientists who have visited the affected rivers say the event is the biggest ecological disaster Bolivia has known, and, as an example of a sudden climatic change wreaking havoc on wildlife, it is unprecedented in recorded history.

"There's just a huge number of dead fish," says Michel Jégu, a researcher from the Institute for Developmental Research in Marseilles, France, who is currently working at the Noel Kempff Mercado Natural History Museum in Santa Cruz, Bolivia. "In the rivers near Santa Cruz there's about 1,000 dead fish for every 100 metres of river."

With such extreme climatic events potentially becoming more common due to climate change, scientists are hurrying to coordinate research into the impact, and how quickly the ecosystem is likely to recover.

The extraordinary quantity of decomposing fish flesh has polluted the waters of the Grande, Pirai and Ichilo rivers to the extent that local authorities have had to provide alternative sources of drinking water for towns along the rivers' banks. Many fishermen have lost their main source of income, having been banned from removing any more fish from populations that will probably struggle to recover.

The blame lies, at least indirectly, with a mass of Antarctic air that settled over the Southern Cone of South America for most of July. The prolonged cold snap has also been linked to the deaths of at least 550 penguins along the coasts of Brazil and thousands of cattle in Paraguay and Brazil, as well as hundreds of people in the region.

Water temperatures in Bolivian rivers that normally register about 15 ˚C during the day fell to as low as 4 ˚C.

Hugo Mamani, head of forecasting at Senamhi, Bolivia's national weather centre, confirms that the air temperature in the city of Santa Cruz fell to 4 ˚C this July, a low beaten only by a record of 2.5 ˚C in 1955.

Cold empties Bolivian rivers of fish : Nature News

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, thank you, Westwall. As previously stated, "wider and wilder, with an overall warming trend."

Thank you for showing that is, indeed, the case.

 

[Old Rocks]

Extreme Weather Disasters 2011: Billion-Dollar Catastrophes Smash U.S. Record

WASHINGTON — America smashed the record for billion-dollar weather disasters this year with a deadly dozen – and counting.

With an almost biblical onslaught of twisters, floods, snow, drought, heat and wildfire, the U.S. in 2011 has seen more weather catastrophes that caused at least $1 billion in damage than it did in all of the 1980s, even after the dollar figures from back then are adjusted for inflation.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration added two disasters to the list Wednesday, bringing the total to 12. The two are the Texas, New Mexico and Arizona wildfires and the mid-June tornadoes and severe weather.

NOAA uses $1 billion as a benchmark for the worst weather disasters.

Extreme weather in America this year has killed more than 1,000 people, according to National Weather Service Director Jack Hayes. The dozen billion-dollar disasters alone add up to $52 billion.

The old record for $1 billion disasters was nine, in 2008.

Hayes, a meteorologist since 1970, said he has never seen a year for extreme weather like this, calling it "the deadly, destructive and relentless 2011."

 

[westwall]

Well now, thank you, Westwall. As previously stated, "wider and wilder, with an overall warming trend."

Thank you for showing that is, indeed, the case.

Well it is Nature you know..They MUST pay homage to the high priests or they get excomunicated. But through all the globalclimatedispruptocoolerwarming crap, the central message was it was goddamned cold.

 

[westwall]

Extreme Weather Disasters 2011: Billion-Dollar Catastrophes Smash U.S. Record

WASHINGTON — America smashed the record for billion-dollar weather disasters this year with a deadly dozen – and counting.

With an almost biblical onslaught of twisters, floods, snow, drought, heat and wildfire, the U.S. in 2011 has seen more weather catastrophes that caused at least $1 billion in damage than it did in all of the 1980s, even after the dollar figures from back then are adjusted for inflation.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration added two disasters to the list Wednesday, bringing the total to 12. The two are the Texas, New Mexico and Arizona wildfires and the mid-June tornadoes and severe weather.

NOAA uses $1 billion as a benchmark for the worst weather disasters.

Extreme weather in America this year has killed more than 1,000 people, according to National Weather Service Director Jack Hayes. The dozen billion-dollar disasters alone add up to $52 billion.

The old record for $1 billion disasters was nine, in 2008.

Hayes, a meteorologist since 1970, said he has never seen a year for extreme weather like this, calling it "the deadly, destructive and relentless 2011."

Yes and so far NOAA hasn't asserted that any of it was due to global warming. Funny how that works out isn't it? So far there hasn't been a real hurricane hit the US in ever four years (that storm that hit most recently was downgraded to a tropical storm by the time it came ashore), something that hasn't occured since the Civil War, so the massive outburst of storms you were predicting hasn't uhhh occured. And for the record the number of violent storms is dropping. The cost goes up thanks to inflation but teh actual real damage is way down.

But those would be facts and you on't do facts as we all know.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Actually getting one of you dingbats to post sources is like pulling teeth. But thank you for doing it this time.

Of course, no one event can be said to be the result of AGW. But the steady drumbeat of weather disasters occuring worldwide at a rate not seen in recent history certainly reflects something changing.

And the rapid and wide swings we have seen the in the weather worldwide is becoming more apparent to all. The prediction that global warming would result in wider and wilder weather swinngs, with an overall warming, is right on target.

 

[westwall]

LOL. Actually getting one of you dingbats to post sources is like pulling teeth. But thank you for doing it this time.

Of course, no one event can be said to be the result of AGW. But the steady drumbeat of weather disasters occuring worldwide at a rate not seen in recent history certainly reflects something changing.

And the rapid and wide swings we have seen the in the weather worldwide is becoming more apparent to all. The prediction that global warming would result in wider and wilder weather swinngs, with an overall warming, is right on target.

The steady drumbeat of weahter disasters that are actually dropping. Is that what you meant? It can be proven quite easily that there are fewer disasters and fewer weather related deaths now then at any time in mans history.

I however don't ascribe that to the weather. It is due to better building codes, better building materials and better siting then what occured in the past. But, yet again, those are facts. And you don't "do" facts.