Cooling? Really?

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  1. Old Rocks
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    Of the 20 warmest years in the last 150, the oldest on the lists is 1987. And for the top ten, only one is not within the last 12 years, that being 1998. This year, in spite of being a double La Nina year, ranks between 9th and 11th on the list.

    Anyone care to guess where the next El Nino year is going to put us. And we, the whole world, pumped out a record amount of GHGs this year.


    Despite warm autumn, 2011 temperatures fail to reach record highs | Environment | guardian.co.uk

    Top 20 hottest years on record
    Global mean temperature anomalies for the three main datasets (Nasa, Noaa, Met Office)
    HadCRUT3 NOAA NCDC NASA GISS
    1 1998 0.52 2010 0.52 2010 0.56
    2 2010 0.5 2005 0.52 2005 0.55
    3 2005 0.47 1998 0.5 2007 0.51
    4 2003 0.46 2003 0.49 2009 0.5
    5 2002 0.46 2002 0.48 2002 0.49
    6 2009 0.44 2006 0.46 1998 0.49
    7 2004 0.43 2009 0.46 2006 0.48
    8 2006 0.43 2007 0.45 2003 0.48
    9 2007 0.4 2004 0.45 2011 0.45
    10 2001 0.4 2001 0.42 2004 0.41
    11 2011 0.36 2011 0.41 2001 0.4
    12 1997 0.36 2008 0.38 2008 0.37
    13 2008 0.31 1997 0.38 1997 0.32
    14 1995 0.28 1999 0.32 1995 0.3
    15 1999 0.26 1995 0.31 1990 0.29
    16 1990 0.25 2000 0.29 1991 0.28
    17 2000 0.24 1990 0.29 2000 0.26
    18 1991 0.2 1991 0.24 1999 0.25
    19 1983 0.19 1988 0.2 1988 0.24
    20 1987 0.17 1987 0.2 1996 0.22
     
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    Yep, when your point of origin is wrong it's pretty easy to have whatever readings you wish. Wonder what will happen when the stations are repaired? Oh, yes, during this decade of record warmth how many millions of animals have died due to cold? Several million? And how many died when the temperatures weren't "record hot"? None? Really?

    So you're trying to tell us, that when the global temps weren't at record high levels no animals were dying due to cold. But now that these record temps are being broken and the world is heating up at super duper pooper fast rates, now animals are dying from cold.

    How exactly does that work?

    "The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) maintains a network of weather-monitoring stations known as the U.S. Historical Climatology Network (USHCN), which monitors the nation's climate and analyzes long-term surface temperature trends. Recent reports have shown that some stations in the USHCN are not sited in accordance with NOAA's standards, which state that temperature instruments should be located away from extensive paved surfaces or obstructions such as buildings and trees. GAO was asked to examine (1) how NOAA chose stations for the USHCN, (2) the extent to which these stations meet siting standards and other requirements, and (3) the extent to which NOAA tracks USHCN stations' adherence to siting standards and other requirements and has established a policy for addressing nonadherence to siting standards. GAO reviewed data and documents, interviewed key NOAA officials, surveyed the 116 NOAA weather forecast offices responsible for managing stations in the USHCN, and visited 8 forecast offices.

    In choosing USHCN stations from a larger set of existing weather-monitoring stations, NOAA placed a high priority on achieving a relatively uniform geographic distribution of stations across the contiguous 48 states. NOAA balanced geographic distribution with other factors, including a desire for a long history of temperature records, limited periods of missing data, and stability of a station's location and other measurement conditions, since changes in such conditions can cause temperature shifts unrelated to climate trends. NOAA had to make certain exceptions, such as including many stations that had incomplete temperature records. In general, the extent to which the stations met NOAA's siting standards played a limited role in the designation process, in part because NOAA officials considered other factors, such as geographic distribution and a long history of records, to be more important. USHCN stations meet NOAA's siting standards and management requirements to varying degrees. According to GAO's survey of weather forecast offices, about 42 percent of the active stations in 2010 did not meet one or more of the siting standards. With regard to management requirements, GAO found that the weather forecast offices had generally but not always met the requirements to conduct annual station inspections and to update station records. NOAA officials told GAO that it is important to annually visit stations and keep records up to date, including siting conditions, so that NOAA and other users of the data know the conditions under which they were recorded. NOAA officials identified a variety of challenges that contribute to some stations not adhering to siting standards and management requirements, including the use of temperature-measuring equipment that is connected by a cable to an indoor readout device--which can require installing equipment closer to buildings than specified in the siting standards. NOAA does not centrally track whether USHCN stations adhere to siting standards and the requirement to update station records, and it does not have an agencywide policy regarding stations that do not meet its siting standards. Performance management guidelines call for using performance information to assess program results. NOAA's information systems, however, are not designed to centrally track whether stations in the USHCN meet its siting standards or the requirement to update station records. Without centrally available information, NOAA cannot easily measure the performance of the USHCN in meeting siting standards and management requirements. Furthermore, federal internal control standards call for agencies to document their policies and procedures to help managers achieve desired results. NOAA has not developed an agencywide policy, however, that clarifies for agency staff whether stations that do not adhere to siting standards should remain open because the continuity of the data is important, or should be moved or closed. As a result, weather forecast offices do not have a basis for making consistent decisions to address stations that do not meet the siting standards. GAO recommends that NOAA enhance its information systems to centrally capture information useful in managing the USHCN and develop a policy on how to address stations that do not meet its siting standards. NOAA agreed with GAO's recommendations."


    U.S. GAO - Climate Monitoring: NOAA Can Improve Management of the U.S. Historical Climatology Network
     
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    Here in Houston we might get snow again soon.... I have not seen this much snow in our region EVER!
    Several years in a row now...

    But the idiots still trumpet global warmig, or is it climate change now? :cuckoo:

    Whackjob idiots!
     
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    Actually now it's globalwarmingclimatedisruptionchange or something like that... I think....
    at least for today.......or is that for tomorrow????:lol::lol:
     
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    This is nothing except nature being nature. Its always been this way since the beginning of time.

    Here in New York I wore a summer polo shirt today. Its been unseasonably mild for most of the fall. The leaves came down real late. Could it possibly be because some species can now thrive this year ( in recent years, the first week of December in New York has seen bitter cold)?? Could it be about balance? Meanwhile, down south, its cold as all shit!!! Balance? When some species dominates, it effects other species ability to survive. I'm talking brush......insects..........mammals..........etc...........
    Who can say its not about balance?

    The answer is..............NOBODY.


    Just like nobody can say that man causes climate change.


    And remember..........opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one!!!:D:D





    On species adapting to a changing climate...............thirve or perish? Scientists just dont know based upon current AND historical evidence!!!:slap:

    Could species evolve to adapt to climate change? | GlobalPost
     
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    Seems you people have a lot of things in Houston.

    Seems you represent the over abundance there of whackjob idiots, Infand.

    So you have record heat and drought in the summer and are getting record snowfall in the winter. Kind of like "wider and wilder swings in the weather with an overall warming"


    Houston Plagued With Mosquitos, Fleas and Burst Water Pipes - ABC News

    Houston is suffering through its worst drought in decades, and the misery is being compounded by a plague of mosquitoes carrying West Nile virus, infestations of fleas, and a cascade of bursting water pipes that are spilling the city's precious water supply.

    Most worrisome for the city is the sudden surge in the number of mosquitoes carrying West Nile.

    "This summer we had an incredibly dry, very hot summer and so that will do nothing but increase the positive number of mosquitoes," said Kristy Murray, an assistant professor at the University of Texas Health Science Center, who has studied the West Nile virus for nine years.

    More than three times the number of mosquitoes as last year have tested positive for West Nile virus, according to Dr. Rudy Bueno of the Harris County Public Health & Environmental Services Mosquito Control division.

    With so little water and such high temperatures, mosquitoes and birds are coming into more frequent contact as they seek out the same limited water sources. The birds, which carry West Nile, transmit the virus to the mosquitoes when the birds are bitten, Murray said.
     
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    Poor dumb Walleyes, still trying the Wotts up with that gambit. Sorry, Dr. Muller destroyed that silly bit of BS. By the way, what day is your presentation at the AGU Conferance? I would not want to miss it.
     
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    I misread that as "...climatescripturechange".
     
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    So, to re-cap, we are at the all time recorded instrumental high of CO2 right now. Years warmer than 2011 during the last ten years are have been:

    Coolest: 2011
    Warmer than 2011:
    2010
    2009
    2007
    2006
    2005
    2003
    2002
    2001

    So of the ten years to date, this year is the coolest except for one. Again this is happening as the thing you claim to be the prime driver of climate change is at the all time high.

    What about the present cooling represents warming to you?
     
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