Civil War Facts

[Unkotare]

Only someone who understands what “morality” is.

How "moral" was invading a sovereign country and slaughtering 850,000 innocent people?

How moral was starting a civil war, resulting in the deaths of 850,000 innocent people, just to protect the right to own 3,000,000 slaves?

Lincoln started the Civil War, moron.

Wrong, idiot.

It's a fact.

No , you ignorant buffoon, it’s not. Stop getting your ‘history’ from stormfront, you uneducated asshole.

 

[Unkotare]

you support the RIGHT of STATES to allow WHITES to own blacks.

THAT is the same thing.


to contrast:


you say you don't support slavery but you have no objection to others owning slaves.


now compare THAT to....

"I OPPOSE HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE and I AM WILLING to start a CIVIL WAR TO KILL MY LIBERAL ENEMIES"......


Slavery doesn't drive you to civil war.

but homosexuality does!

Slavery was a historical fact, and the Constitution condoned it. That's all that matters in this discussion. If you claim that it was right for Lincoln to invade the Confederacy, then you admit you don't give a crap about the Constitution or the law.

If the Confederacy was a separete country, then Lincoln had every right to invade that country for attacking American troops.

Nope. Those troops were on the soil of South Carolina. Lincoln was obligated to remove them when it was requested.

Obligated how?

Obligated by international law. Occupying foreign territory is an act of war, moron.

Not “foreign territory,” idiot.

 

[flacaltenn]

Only a moron would say something that stupid.

Only someone who understands what “morality” is.

How "moral" was invading a sovereign country and slaughtering 850,000 innocent people?

How moral was starting a civil war, resulting in the deaths of 850,000 innocent people, just to protect the right to own 3,000,000 slaves?

Lincoln started the Civil War, moron.

Nope- despite what you slavery apologists say- it was the men who rebelled against the United States to protect their 'rights' to own human property that started the war when they fired on the U.S. Army.

Anyone who asserts the Civil War was just about slavery is poorly educated.. The frictions in COngress were LARGELY about tarrffs and funding national infrastructure and the severe DISCONNECT between the economic requirements of the North and South...

 

[bripat9643]

How "moral" was invading a sovereign country and slaughtering 850,000 innocent people?

How moral was starting a civil war, resulting in the deaths of 850,000 innocent people, just to protect the right to own 3,000,000 slaves?

Lincoln started the Civil War, moron.

Wrong, idiot.

It's a fact.

No , you ignorant buffoon, it’s not. Stop getting your ‘history’ from stormfront, you uneducated asshole.

It is a fact. Stop getting your history from the Daily Worker.

You always insult when you know you're losing.

 

[bripat9643]

Slavery was a historical fact, and the Constitution condoned it. That's all that matters in this discussion. If you claim that it was right for Lincoln to invade the Confederacy, then you admit you don't give a crap about the Constitution or the law.

If the Confederacy was a separete country, then Lincoln had every right to invade that country for attacking American troops.

Nope. Those troops were on the soil of South Carolina. Lincoln was obligated to remove them when it was requested.

Obligated how?

Obligated by international law. Occupying foreign territory is an act of war, moron.

Not “foreign territory,” idiot.

Yes it was. SC seceded. we've already blown up your theory that secession was illegal.

 

[bripat9643]

It wasn't necessary to lose a single life to free the slaves. How many lives did Brazil lose when it freed its slaves?

So if the Civil War had not been fought- and the Confederacy had actually managed to rebel and become an independent nation- what year would they have freed their slaves?
After specifically leaving the United States and enshrining in explicit language in the Confederate Constitution the right to own slaves.

But thanks for confirming what I had already pointed out- a single life lost to free 3,000,000 slaves from torture and rape would be one life too many.

Slaves would have been escaping to the North in a flood, so it would have ended shortly anyways.

Wasn't happening before the Civil War, don't know why you imagine it would be easier for them afterwards.

Before secession, the North was obligated to enforce slavery. After secession, it wasn't.

Before secession it would have been illegal for the Confederate States to create an armed border- to protect the Confederacy from the Abolitionists of the North and their slaves escaping.

Nut burgers like you keep saying it's impossible for the US to enforce its Southern border against illegal aliens. Why would it have been so easy to prevent slaves from crossing it?

 

[Bezukhov]

Anyone who asserts the Civil War was just about slavery is poorly educated.. The frictions in COngress were LARGELY about tarrffs and funding national infrastructure and the severe DISCONNECT between the economic requirements of the North and South...

This had nothing to do with tariffs.
Caning of Charles Sumner
Caning of Charles Sumner - Wikipedia

 

[bripat9643]

Anyone who asserts the Civil War was just about slavery is poorly educated.. The frictions in COngress were LARGELY about tarrffs and funding national infrastructure and the severe DISCONNECT between the economic requirements of the North and South...

This had nothing to do with tariffs.
Caning of Charles Sumner
Caning of Charles Sumner - Wikipedia

Of course it did, dumbass. Tariffs almost led to secession a number of times previously

 

[Picaro]

Only someone who understands what “morality” is.

How "moral" was invading a sovereign country and slaughtering 850,000 innocent people?

How moral was starting a civil war, resulting in the deaths of 850,000 innocent people, just to protect the right to own 3,000,000 slaves?

Lincoln started the Civil War, moron.

Nope- despite what you slavery apologists say- it was the men who rebelled against the United States to protect their 'rights' to own human property that started the war when they fired on the U.S. Army.

Anyone who asserts the Civil War was just about slavery is poorly educated.. The frictions in COngress were LARGELY about tarrffs and funding national infrastructure and the severe DISCONNECT between the economic requirements of the North and South...

Slavery was a unifying factor for forming a Confederacy AFTER the waves of secessions had already taken place; some people are just not very bright about the obvious, is all, they're just happy bashing southerners and hate when it turns out they weren't always the bad guys n stuff. It's pretty simple; when the first of the Morrill tariff bills passed, SC seceded. It was also the Homestead Acts and railroad subsidies as well, not just tariffs, an entire raft of bills that would drastically alter how the Feds funded itself, and f course when the South proposed their own tariff rates of 10% and shipping direct to Europe without the Yankee middle men, the north suddenly wanted war.

 

[Picaro]

Anyone who asserts the Civil War was just about slavery is poorly educated.. The frictions in COngress were LARGELY about tarrffs and funding national infrastructure and the severe DISCONNECT between the economic requirements of the North and South...

This had nothing to do with tariffs.
Caning of Charles Sumner
Caning of Charles Sumner - Wikipedia

Of course it did, dumbass. Tariffs almost led to secession a number of times previously

Yes, and mostly from northern states at that. Nobody ever thought the union was anything but voluntary until Lincoln fabricated the notion to appease his financial cronies. He was a railroad lawyer, after all, made most of his money and political career from helping them screw over little people.

 

[Unkotare]

If the Confederacy was a separete country, then Lincoln had every right to invade that country for attacking American troops.

Nope. Those troops were on the soil of South Carolina. Lincoln was obligated to remove them when it was requested.

Obligated how?

Obligated by international law. Occupying foreign territory is an act of war, moron.

Not “foreign territory,” idiot.

Yes it was. SC seceded. we've already blown up your theory that secession was illegal.

Every Supreme Court, legitimate historians, and the citizens of the United States of America for over 150 years say you’re full of shit.

 

[bripat9643]

Nope. Those troops were on the soil of South Carolina. Lincoln was obligated to remove them when it was requested.

Obligated how?

Obligated by international law. Occupying foreign territory is an act of war, moron.

Not “foreign territory,” idiot.

Yes it was. SC seceded. we've already blown up your theory that secession was illegal.

Every Supreme Court, legitimate historians, and the citizens of the United States of America for over 150 years say you’re full of shit.

The vast majority of SC members are political hacks, and "legitimate historians" is a euphemism meaning "Lincoln cult members." Plenty of U.S citizens disagree.

You have engaged in multiple logical fallacies here, among them are the appeal to authority and the bandwagon fallacy. The only thing that matters is the facts, and they show you to be dead wrong.

 

[Flash]

For you uneducated low information Moon Bats that only have a Jr High School History course understanding of the Civil War I suggest you read the book "The South Was Right" by Kennedy and Kennedy.

That way you won't be so uneducated and low information.

 

[Unkotare]

Obligated how?

Obligated by international law. Occupying foreign territory is an act of war, moron.

Not “foreign territory,” idiot.

Yes it was. SC seceded. we've already blown up your theory that secession was illegal.

Every Supreme Court, legitimate historians, and the citizens of the United States of America for over 150 years say you’re full of shit.

The vast majority of SC members are political hacks, and "legitimate historians" is a euphemism meaning "Lincoln cult members."

....

= you stomping your little feet and demanding that your hatred, ignorance, and bitterness be accepted as “fact.” They aren’t by anyone but your fellow refugees from stormfront. You fail, loser, just like the traitorous reb scum you worship failed.

 

[Unkotare]

Obligated how?

Obligated by international law. Occupying foreign territory is an act of war, moron.

Not “foreign territory,” idiot.

Yes it was. SC seceded. we've already blown up your theory that secession was illegal.

Every Supreme Court, legitimate historians, and the citizens of the United States of America for over 150 years say you’re full of shit.

...

You have engaged in multiple logical fallacies here....

Have you ever studied Logic formally? You really don’t seem to understand the terms you are trying to use.

 

[bripat9643]

Obligated by international law. Occupying foreign territory is an act of war, moron.

Not “foreign territory,” idiot.

Yes it was. SC seceded. we've already blown up your theory that secession was illegal.

Every Supreme Court, legitimate historians, and the citizens of the United States of America for over 150 years say you’re full of shit.

...

You have engaged in multiple logical fallacies here....

Have you ever studied Logic formally? You really don’t seem to understand the terms you are trying to use.

Yes, I have taken a course in formal logic, dumbass. That's how I know that you are incapable of committing logic.

 

[bripat9643]

Obligated by international law. Occupying foreign territory is an act of war, moron.

Not “foreign territory,” idiot.

Yes it was. SC seceded. we've already blown up your theory that secession was illegal.

Every Supreme Court, legitimate historians, and the citizens of the United States of America for over 150 years say you’re full of shit.

The vast majority of SC members are political hacks, and "legitimate historians" is a euphemism meaning "Lincoln cult members."

....

= you stomping your little feet and demanding that your hatred, ignorance, and bitterness be accepted as “fact.” They aren’t by anyone but your fellow refugees from stormfront. You fail, loser, just like the traitorous reb scum you worship failed.

The "facts" are in the documents from the period, dumbass. No one has to accept them based on my authority. On the other hand, nothing you have posted in this thread is a fact. There are historical documents that discredit all your infantile claims.

 

[there4eyeM]

Civil War fact:
The South lost.

 

[bripat9643]

Civil War fact:
The South lost.

Not under discussion, shit for brains.

 

[there4eyeM]

Obviously, facts don't interest petullent children.