Citizenship vs. Liberalism

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It is my wont to construct a series of quotes that lead to an overwhelming and undeniable conclusion.....but my pal, Mr. H, insists on the bottom line first....so here it is:
Liberalism is the very opposite of the intent of 'citizenship.'





1. 'Citizenship' is the goal and aspiration of Western political systems, and can be recognized by its result: both "human rights" and "natural rights," which are the pre-condition of their consent to be governed.

a. Those values are memorialized in the United States Constitution, the abrogation of which is the justification for revolution.
While conservatives believe it is the citizen's right to replace an unjust government, Liberals believe that the government is the government, for better or for worse.



2. There is a responsibility that flows from citizenship, duties to others, basically to strangers, including a defense of their common territory and the maintenance of the law that applies within said jurisdiction.
Roger Scruton, "The West and the Rest."

a. Note the central idea: territory. There is no common territory without borders, and without national sovereignty.







3. The tenets of Liberalism are counter to this theme. Liberalism endorses open borders, and a 'citizen of the world' view....a construct that never has and never will exist.

a. Since the dawn of politics, some men have envisioned some global authority that would bring peace and harmony….Utopia. During the Enlightenment, Immanuel Kant argued in favor of a “united power and law-governed decisions of a united will” to create “perpetual peace.”
Cosmopolitan citizenship and postmodernity

4. ‘Global governance, the idea of all humankind united under one common political authority, has not existed so far in human history. This is not to say that it hasn’t been debated, called for, fought for…and as recently as the 20th century, enforced on large swaths of the planet….called communism.

a. Imaginary, not only unproven: data is available documenting the deleterious effects. Called communism, socialism, Liberalism, whatever, it responsible for over 100 million slaughtered human beings.

How to explain its endorsement by the Western elites? Simple: it is a religious belief, largely based on a tragic misunderstanding of human nature, and the Left’s inability to confront, or even recognize, evil.







5. To recognize those wedded to this view, simply note who supports the communist inception, the United Nations.

a. "A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.
He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).

At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.

All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know






It is not communism, one-world government, or the loss of national sovereignty that promises peace and security.

"They are migrating in search of citizenship - which is the principal gift of national
jurisdictions, and the origin of peace, law and stability and prosperity that still prevail
in the West."
Roger Scruton, "A Political Philosophy," p. 5



Beware of a President intent on giving away America's sovereignty.
 
It is my wont to construct a series of quotes that lead to an overwhelming and undeniable conclusion.....

Yep, your poorly conceived sensationalism and misdefinition of terms and narratives "lead to an overwhelming and undeniable conclusion" that you have no real idea of what you are talking about.
 
You are the citizen of a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals. You are free to leave if you like? That's part of the Liberty idea they believed in.

Need boxes?




1. Superb!

I couldn't have asked for a more formulaic verification of the OP then your post!!!!

The OP contained this:
" Those values are memorialized in the United States Constitution, the abrogation of which is the justification for revolution.
While conservatives believe it is the citizen's right to replace an unjust government, Liberals believe that the government is the government, for better or for worse."


And the Liberal troglodyte wrote "You are free to leave if you like"






And, since you have done me this service...I'll provide edification as a service to you:

Your statement " a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals" is false....

And while lying is not something foreign to your posts, I'll give you the benefit of agreeing that you are simply ignorant of the facts.


2.Classical liberalism
a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” http://fff.org/freedom/fd0203c.asp

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias.

c. John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.

d. “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.”
http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=OTY0MjA1YzVjNjVkOTViMzM5M2Q5M2Y0ODk0ODc0MmM=





Here are the facts: conservatives, known then as classical liberals, founded the nation.

Communist John Dewey had the social party change it's name to 'liberal,' hence socialists today co-opting the term liberal.



Take notes.
 
Citizenship vs. Liberalism
Romney and the cons tried to suggest that liberals weren't citizens in 2012, and that's why they lost. Beat that dead horse.
 
yer kidding, right?

Trying to talk to libturds like they have a brain?

PC, I love ya girl. But you're wasting your time.

1) If they had a brain, they wouldn't be libturds.

2) That's it.

You also might want to consider that what the average scumbag libturd follows today are the ramblings of the greatest faux intellectual to ever exist on earth -- Karl Marx, who spoke to the European situation ONLY.

During his mistake of a lifetime, one of his greatest complaints was land-redistribution.

WHAT THE FUCK would that have to do with America of the time?

We had more land than we knew what to do with. We were LITERALLY giving it away.

Plus, we had no 'Royals'. We had no 'Landed Gentry'. We had no.....

See #1 above.

The only things wrong with America are the things that dimocrap scum have done to her.

Period.
 
Conservatives founded the US?!?! LOL...Now I've heard everything.

Ignore the very definition of conservative! Instead listen to the chopped up musings of someone with sentence or paragraph dyslexia. If she talks enough it will become true. Stupid Websters with their "definitions" smh
 
You are the citizen of a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals. You are free to leave if you like? That's part of the Liberty idea they believed in.

Need boxes?




1. Superb!

I couldn't have asked for a more formulaic verification of the OP then your post!!!!

The OP contained this:
" Those values are memorialized in the United States Constitution, the abrogation of which is the justification for revolution.
While conservatives believe it is the citizen's right to replace an unjust government, Liberals believe that the government is the government, for better or for worse."


And the Liberal troglodyte wrote "You are free to leave if you like"






And, since you have done me this service...I'll provide edification as a service to you:

Your statement " a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals" is false....

And while lying is not something foreign to your posts, I'll give you the benefit of agreeing that you are simply ignorant of the facts.


2.Classical liberalism
a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” http://fff.org/freedom/fd0203c.asp

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias.

c. John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.

d. “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.”
http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=OTY0MjA1YzVjNjVkOTViMzM5M2Q5M2Y0ODk0ODc0MmM=





Here are the facts: conservatives, known then as classical liberals, founded the nation.

Communist John Dewey had the social party change it's name to 'liberal,' hence socialists today co-opting the term liberal.



Take notes.
I think you are deeply unhappy here? You should leave, for your own good of course...
 
Conservatives founded the US?!?! LOL...Now I've heard everything.

Ignore the very definition of conservative! Instead listen to the chopped up musings of someone with sentence or paragraph dyslexia. If she talks enough it will become true. Stupid Websters with their "definitions" smh

George Washington was the wealthiest President we've ever had.

The Revolutionary leaders were almost exclusively wealthy, educated men.

Most were landowners. Most were married. Most were successful.

They were Conservatives.

Now the French? The French Revolution?

They were scum -- Like you.

The French Revolution is where you get your ideas from. But you're not bright enough to know that and you're too lazy to study it and figure it out.

The French Revolution was the libturd Revolution. The American Revolution was the Conservative Revolution.

Republicans follow the lead of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton.

The scum of the Earth -- You. Follow the lead of Robespierre.

Just a fact.
 
yer kidding, right?

Trying to talk to libturds like they have a brain?

PC, I love ya girl. But you're wasting your time.

1) If they had a brain, they wouldn't be libturds.

2) That's it.

You also might want to consider that what the average scumbag libturd follows today are the ramblings of the greatest faux intellectual to ever exist on earth -- Karl Marx, who spoke to the European situation ONLY.

During his mistake of a lifetime, one of his greatest complaints was land-redistribution.

WHAT THE FUCK would that have to do with America of the time?

We had more land than we knew what to do with. We were LITERALLY giving it away.

Plus, we had no 'Royals'. We had no 'Landed Gentry'. We had no.....

See #1 above.

The only things wrong with America are the things that dimocrap scum have done to her.

Period.


Edgetho is the best representative of the true heart, mind, and soul of conservatism on this board.

You do a great service to liberalism with your daily reminders, to all who visit this forum, what the alternative is.

Rock on, Poser.
 
You are the citizen of a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals. You are free to leave if you like? That's part of the Liberty idea they believed in.

Need boxes?




1. Superb!

I couldn't have asked for a more formulaic verification of the OP then your post!!!!

The OP contained this:
" Those values are memorialized in the United States Constitution, the abrogation of which is the justification for revolution.
While conservatives believe it is the citizen's right to replace an unjust government, Liberals believe that the government is the government, for better or for worse."


And the Liberal troglodyte wrote "You are free to leave if you like"






And, since you have done me this service...I'll provide edification as a service to you:

Your statement " a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals" is false....

And while lying is not something foreign to your posts, I'll give you the benefit of agreeing that you are simply ignorant of the facts.


2.Classical liberalism
a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” http://fff.org/freedom/fd0203c.asp

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias.

c. John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.

d. “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.”
http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=OTY0MjA1YzVjNjVkOTViMzM5M2Q5M2Y0ODk0ODc0MmM=





Here are the facts: conservatives, known then as classical liberals, founded the nation.

Communist John Dewey had the social party change it's name to 'liberal,' hence socialists today co-opting the term liberal.



Take notes.
I think you are deeply unhappy here? You should leave, for your own good of course...

Why should she leave what is her birthright?

Her goal is to remove you instead.

Happens to be my goal, too.

You don't belong here. You're a scumbag. You'd be happier in Cuba or North Korea.
 
yer kidding, right?

Trying to talk to libturds like they have a brain?

PC, I love ya girl. But you're wasting your time.

1) If they had a brain, they wouldn't be libturds.

2) That's it.

You also might want to consider that what the average scumbag libturd follows today are the ramblings of the greatest faux intellectual to ever exist on earth -- Karl Marx, who spoke to the European situation ONLY.

During his mistake of a lifetime, one of his greatest complaints was land-redistribution.

WHAT THE FUCK would that have to do with America of the time?

We had more land than we knew what to do with. We were LITERALLY giving it away.

Plus, we had no 'Royals'. We had no 'Landed Gentry'. We had no.....

See #1 above.

The only things wrong with America are the things that dimocrap scum have done to her.

Period.


Edgetho is the best representative of the true heart, mind, and soul of conservatism on this board.

You do a great service to liberalism with your daily reminders, to all who visit this forum, what the alternative is.

Rock on, Poser.

If you were capable of reason, you would understand that everything I post in here is accurate.

But you're not.

The only things you'll listen to are things you already believe.

You're too afraid to think outside your own comfort zone.

And I know why.

You're afraid that you'll discover that your entire life has been a fraud. You see, loser. libturdism isn't just a political belief, it's a way of life.

You can't figure out why your life is such a pile of shit, why you're such a loser, why you can't succeed, why you can't keep a girlfriend or a wife, why your children barely acknowledge your existence, why you're stuck in the same position at work year after year, why nobody respects you....?

It's because you refuse to grow, to learn.

I bet you dress about the same way you did in High School, right? Got the same hair cut, drive the same kind of car, etc, etc?

You're afraid of change. You're afraid to learn, to experiment, to grab life by the throat and actually live.

You are pathetic. I know you.... I know who and what you are. There are millions like you out there and I've met way too many of them.

People think they're such individuals and that's truly a joke. There are only a few types of personalities in this world, and a few variations on each of one of them.

I know you, loser. And unless you wake up.... SOON.

You'll be a miserable fuck until the day you die.

I mock you. Everybody mocks you.
 
You are the citizen of a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals. You are free to leave if you like? That's part of the Liberty idea they believed in.
You keep repeating it as if it was true. If that's your definition of liberal it has nothing to do with modern day liberalism so the term wouldn't be meaningful. I realize you're too dense to know or care but the founders were not all like minded.

As far as the topic goes, liberals believe we are subjects of the state, which demonstrates that the founders were NOT liberals but believed in citizens with inalienable rights, like gun possession and a limited government by way of the Constitution.

I suppose if you sniff enough paint you'll believe anything though.
 
You are the citizen of a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals. You are free to leave if you like? That's part of the Liberty idea they believed in.
You keep repeating it as if it was true.
That's because it is.

What you think Liberals are today is what Rush Limbaugh made up in his tiny mind, that your even smaller mind accepted as true, when it isn't.
 
Liberalism is a relative term. There may be a static definition, but that definition never really applies in the real world since liberalism today has little to no resemblance to the dictionary definition. Afterall liberalism literally demands SMALL governance.
What we have is "American Liberalism".
IMO - American Liberalism means:
1) Large, nanny government that takes from the haves, and gives to the have nots Unfortunately usually without any strings attached. Read: HIGH TAXATION. HIGH SOCIAL COST.
2) Large, ever present government that heavily regulates and controls commerce.

So in essence, a large overbearing government. The exact opposite of liberalism.
 

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