Churchill was full of crap btw.

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    "If you're young and not a liberal,you have no heart; if you're old and not a conservative, you have no brain."
    — Winston Churchill


    I see it quite differently.

    If you're young and not a conservative, you're a pussy; if you're old and not a liberal you have neither a heart nor a brain.

    Discuss
     
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    Churchill never said that.
     
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    I think if you are a liberal, you are pretty much fucked up altogether. Doesn't matter if you are an old liberal or a young liberal. All seem to be the same. What's there to discuss?
     
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    For starters, Churchill never said it.
     
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    He didn't?

    I've heard that attributed to him many many times. Are you saying it's an urban legend?
     
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    I'm saying this is a very famous misquote by Churchill.

    It has often been attributed to George Bernard Shaw, the actual quote being:
    "Anyone who has never been a socialist before the age of 30 hasn't got a heart. Anyone who is still a socialist after the age of 30 hasn't got a head."
     
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    Roosevelt said it well:

     
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    A neo-con is a liberal who's been mugged by reality.
     
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    This is my favorite Churchill quote:

    Bessie Braddock: Winston, you are drunk, and what's more, you are disgustingly drunk.
    Churchill: Bessie, my dear, you are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.
     
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    • If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
      • According to research by Mark T. Shirey, citing Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations by Ralph Keyes, 1992, this quote was first uttered by mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman Fran├žois Guizot when he observed, Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head. This quote has been attributed variously to George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin Disraeli, Otto von Bismarck, and others.
      • Furthermore, the Churchill Centre, on its Falsely Attributed Quotations page, states "there is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this." Paul Addison of Edinburgh University is quoted as stating: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"
    ____________________Additional comments from AlphaP:

    • Indeed, a glance at Churchill's biography shows that "Winnie" was a true independent, bouncing from Conservative to Liberal and back again during his career, joining those who would best advance his goals:
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      • Variants: Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

      • Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.

      • If you are not a socialist by the time you are 25, you have no heart. If you are still a socialist by the time you are 35, you have no head
     

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