Christian Nation

[OCA]

I was listening to some hristouyeniatiki mousiki today(christmas music) on the radio and a thought occurred to me, if we are not a christian nation like the whacko libs like to claim then how come all you hear is christian themed christmas music this time of year? Where the hell is the Jewish station blasting "havanagila" all day? Or the kwaanza station?

Face it libs, this is a christian nation with laws and morals based upon christianity. The more you tear at that, the more you tear this great nation down.

 

[Gem]

OCA,

To further the point...

Is your local shopping mall decked out in reds, greens, golds, and silvers, boughs of holly and/or garland, Christmas trees decorated with sparkley ornaments?

Or...

Is it covered in blue and silver, with menorahs displayed promenently and dreidel displays spinning merrily?

Or...

Proudly displaying the strong yellows, reds, greens, and browns of the Kwanzaa celebration...are banners in the mall proclaiming the principles of this African American holdiay?


Nah...the people who have no political interest, no religious interest, no ACLU interest, no interest at all aside from making money off of consumers know where its at. The vast majority of shoppers are buying gifts for Christmas...and they know that they can't go wrong decorating for that holiday, with a couple of menorahs thrown in for good measure.

As is often the case, good ol' Capitalism strips away a lot of the bullshit, to reveal that, "Yes Virginia," we are most predominantly, a nation of Christians celebrating Christmas.

 

[lolita715]

I was listening to some hristouyeniatiki mousiki today(christmas music) on the radio and a thought occurred to me, if we are not a christian nation like the whacko libs like to claim then how come all you hear is christian themed christmas music this time of year? Where the hell is the Jewish station blasting "havanagila" all day? Or the kwaanza station?

Face it libs, this is a christian nation with laws and morals based upon christianity. The more you tear at that, the more you tear this great nation down.

People dont realize there are other people celabrating other holidays, and I dont think they care either. Everyone always assumes everyone else is celebrating chirstmas. Its not just a christian nation, and no one is trying to tear it down, get down from your high horse.

 

[no1tovote4]

People dont realize there are other people celabrating other holidays, and I dont think they care either. Everyone always assumes everyone else is celebrating chirstmas. Its not just a christian nation, and no one is trying to tear it down, get down from your high horse.

People realize that others celebrate other holidays, and nobody objects to seeing a Menora or Kinora along with decorations for Christmas. The objection is when there is some sort of political movement to remove the mention of Christmas from the Holiday that they Celebrate. It would be simple to post signs for each Holiday, be inclusive rather than exclusive. To attempt to exclude Christmas from the "Holiday Seasons" is where the objection comes in. Their point is we don't object to you celebrating your holiday, why should you object to us celebrating ours?

If anybody here is riding a "high horse" it is you.

 

[nakedemperor]

I was listening to some hristouyeniatiki mousiki today(christmas music) on the radio and a thought occurred to me, if we are not a christian nation like the whacko libs like to claim then how come all you hear is christian themed christmas music this time of year? Where the hell is the Jewish station blasting "havanagila" all day? Or the kwaanza station?

Face it libs, this is a christian nation with laws and morals based upon christianity. The more you tear at that, the more you tear this great nation down.

You've hit on something very interesting here OCA, the majority in this country is Christian, and as such the music industry reflects that. You so smart =)

Unfortunately that has nothing to do with our government. Aaaahem:

Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Ergo: A nation whose governing body prescribes to no religion, but has a population whose majority is Christian, a majority which respects the Bill of Rights and the government's right to prescribe to no established religion.

 

[lolita715]

People realize that others celebrate other holidays, and nobody objects to seeing a Menora or Kinora along with decorations for Christmas. The objection is when there is some sort of political movement to remove the mention of Christmas from the Holiday that they Celebrate. It would be simple to post signs for each Holiday, be inclusive rather than exclusive. To attempt to exclude Christmas from the "Holiday Seasons" is where the objection comes in. Their point is we don't object to you celebrating your holiday, why should you object to us celebrating ours?

If anybody here is riding a "high horse" it is you.

At what point did I object to chirstmas?? All I was trying to say there needs to be a seperation of state and church, becasue not everyone is religous or a christan. If someone told a christain that laws would be made from jewish beleifs they would flip out!!! When you go to schools you only see merry chirstmas signs, nothing else. I was not ripping on chirstmas at all. Im just saying the people that say we are a christian nation are probably the ones who get pissed when they see a Kwanza sign

 

[Merlin1047]

Being somewhat of an expert horse's ass myself, kindly allow me to give you a teeny bit of advice.

Had you limited your post to following statement, it would have sufficed to express your opinion and would not result in any retaliatory shots.

People dont realize there are other people celabrating other holidays, and I dont think they care either. Everyone always assumes everyone else is celebrating chirstmas. Its not just a christian nation, and no one is trying to tear it down.

But with the addendum you chose, you will most likely start another pissing contest:

People dont realize there are other people celabrating other holidays, and I dont think they care either. Everyone always assumes everyone else is celebrating chirstmas. Its not just a christian nation, and no one is trying to tear it down, get down from your high horse.

If you want to have a discussion, please leave off the gratuitous and uncalled for insults. If you're attacked, feel free to retaliate, but if you are here simply to antagonize other members, then OCA will probably not get a chance to ban you again.

So if you have something rational to add to the mix, welcome. If all you want to do is stir up shit, I can fix that problem.

 

[no1tovote4]

At what point did I object to chirstmas?? All I was trying to say there needs to be a seperation of state and church, becasue not everyone is religous or a christan. If someone told a christain that laws would be made from jewish beleifs they would flip out!!!

No they wouldn't if that person were elected to office it would be expected that they use their moral compass in order to make laws.

When you go to schools you only see merry chirstmas signs, nothing else. I was not ripping on chirstmas at all. Im just saying the people that say we are a christian nation are probably the ones who get pissed when they see a Kwanza sign

The point I am making is they don't get pissed when they see a Kwanzaa sign, it is when they see that sign in lieu of a Christmas sign. It is the exclusion of Christmas that begins to get them angry especially when inclusion is the rule for all the other holidays.

And as to the school thing, you are simply wrong. Even in Pre-School my daughter learned of Hannuka, and will be taking part in Kwanzaa as well with her class.

Oh and the advise from the Moderator is correct, it is the insulting order at the end of your first statement that will create the flame wars you so obviously seek. I have given advise about this to you constantly as a friendly gesture, I am not a Moderator, but you obviously do not wish to follow the advise which points out to me that you are a troll seeking to cause emotional responses.

 

[theim]

At what point did I object to chirstmas?? All I was trying to say there needs to be a seperation of state and church, becasue not everyone is religous or a christan. If someone told a christain that laws would be made from jewish beleifs they would flip out!!! When you go to schools you only see merry chirstmas signs, nothing else. I was not ripping on chirstmas at all. Im just saying the people that say we are a christian nation are probably the ones who get pissed when they see a Kwanza sign

1) There does not need to be seperation of Church and State. Nowhere in the Constitution is that phrase mentioned. This has been the umpteenth time I have tried to explain this to libs, but I doubt it will be the last.

2) No, they would not flip out because modern laws are largely based on the Ten Commandments, which both religions share

3) Merry Christmas is banned in most schools. Children get ounished for saying it. We can thank the ACLU and people like you for haltine the creeping Theocracy dead in its tracks here.

4) I say it is a Christian nation. When I see a kwanzaa sign, it is similar to me seeing the sign on the hardware store. Whatever. Might take half a second of my interest. offended? No.

The USA is close to 80-90% Christian. If the mere mention of Jesus causes non-Christians to be offended, tough. Christmas is a legally recognized Federal Holiday that is being forced off the public square because "it might offend someone". Well there is NOTHING in the Constitution that says you have a right not to be offended. So deal with it.

 

[no1tovote4]

You've hit on something very interesting here OCA, the majority in this country is Christian, and as such the music industry reflects that. You so smart =)

Unfortunately that has nothing to do with our government. Aaaahem:

Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Ergo: A nation whose governing body prescribes to no religion, but has a population whose majority is Christian, a majority which respects the Bill of Rights and the government's right to prescribe to no established religion.

Let's read the whole Amendment, "nor make any laws limiting the free expression thereof"

This means that no law can be made that specifically excludes any religion as much as it means that they cannot set an official religion. Therefore inclusive not exclusive. In the US, Christmas signs can live with Hannuka and Kwanzaa signs with no issues. It is when it is attempted to legislate from the bench to make the Christmas signs be excluded that people begin to be upset.

 

[007]

I was listening to some hristouyeniatiki mousiki today(christmas music) on the radio and a thought occurred to me, if we are not a christian nation like the whacko libs like to claim then how come all you hear is christian themed christmas music this time of year? Where the hell is the Jewish station blasting "havanagila" all day? Or the kwaanza station?

Face it libs, this is a christian nation with laws and morals based upon christianity. The more you tear at that, the more you tear this great nation down.

They know that OCA. They just don't give a fuck.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Which just goes to show that there is no secret Jewish cabal runnibng things in the US. If that were the case we'd be singing "havahnagila" all day long and celebrating Chanukah instead of that annual orgy of crass comercialism that has become "Christmas".

But more to the point, the US is a nation of many religions, and so long as the dogma of those religions does not conflict with the vision of the Founding Fathers of a separation between religion and government and the protections guaranteed to indviduals by the Constitution, they are free to practice their religon as they see fit.

 

[Bonnie]

At what point did I object to chirstmas??

All I was trying to say there needs to be a seperation of state and church, becasue not everyone is religous or a christan.

Really how offended do you get if someone says Merry Chrstmas to you?? How does that involve seperation of church and state???

When you go to schools you only see merry chirstmas signs, nothing else

.

Did someone recently chip you out of a glacier? Merry Christmas has been taken out of almost every school in almost every way, no christmas carols, no ornamentation that resembles anything remotely related to Christmas, aside from snowflakes, and Santa....Jesus... read posts on this board before you jump in and make an ass of yourself.

I was not ripping on chirstmas at all. Im just saying the people that say we are a christian nation are probably the ones who get pissed when they see a Kwanza sign

Newsflash this is a mostly christian nation, and no I really don't think anyone gets offended when the Manorah or Kwanza symbols are displayed, only when they are displayed to the exclusion of Christian symbols of Christmas. Capeesh????

 

[menewa]

Face it libs, this is a christian nation with laws and morals based upon christianity. The more you tear at that, the more you tear this great nation down.

Yes, the vast majority of this nation practices Christianity, but that does not make this a "Christian nation." That has the ring of theocracy, something the founding fathers adamently opposed.

The constitution is based on the philosophical perspective of utilitarianism, a philosophy, not a religion. Albeit, John Stuart Mill, one of the founders of utilitarianism did apply the golden rule to parts of his philosophy, but that doesn't make it a Christian philosophy. It just means Biblical text had some influence.

 

[OCA]

You've hit on something very interesting here OCA, the majority in this country is Christian, and as such the music industry reflects that. You so smart =)

Unfortunately that has nothing to do with our government. Aaaahem:

Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Ergo: A nation whose governing body prescribes to no religion, but has a population whose majority is Christian, a majority which respects the Bill of Rights and the government's right to prescribe to no established religion.

Lets amend amendment #1 and go for a theocracy, can't fail any more miserably then speration of church and state secularism.

 

[OCA]

People dont realize there are other people celabrating other holidays, and I dont think they care either. Everyone always assumes everyone else is celebrating chirstmas. Its not just a christian nation, and no one is trying to tear it down, get down from your high horse.

I am tiring of your ignorant bullshit here, either refrain from the stupid fucking remarks at the end of ALL your posts or take a hike and go post at Salon or some other ignorant site.

THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

People dont realize there are other people celabrating other holidays, and I dont think they care either. Everyone always assumes everyone else is celebrating chirstmas. Its not just a christian nation, and no one is trying to tear it down, get down from your high horse.

At what point did I object to chirstmas?? All I was trying to say there needs to be a seperation of state and church, becasue not everyone is religous or a christan. If someone told a christain that laws would be made from jewish beleifs they would flip out!!! When you go to schools you only see merry chirstmas signs, nothing else. I was not ripping on chirstmas at all. Im just saying the people that say we are a christian nation are probably the ones who get pissed when they see a Kwanza sign

If you will notice not ONCE did she capitalize the words Christmas, Christian, or Jewish although she used these words nine (9) different times.

She uses the word Kwanza ONCE (1 time) and it is capitalized, of course.

This is the typical underhanded and sleazy bias that is used by liberals in their attempt to denigrate and diminish the importance of the Christian or Jewish faiths. They hate the morality which these faiths stand for so much that they cannot even bring themselves to show even a tiny modicum of respect by capitalizing the words.

 

[lolita715]

If you will notice not ONCE did she capitalize the words Christmas, Christian, or Jewish although she used these words nine (9) different times.

She uses the word Kwanza ONCE (1 time) and it is capitalized, of course.

This is the typical underhanded and sleazy bias that is used by liberals in their attempt to denigrate and diminish the importance of the Christian or Jewish faiths. They hate the morality which these faiths stand for so much that they cannot even bring themselves to show even a tiny modicum of respect by capitalizing the words.

I think not. I never once said I hated any religon!!!! Get really, you are really stretching to make me look bad, but if your read anything you would know I was not saying any religon was bad, or I hated any religon.

 

[freeandfun1]

I think not. I never once said I hated any religon!!!! Get really, you are really stretching to make me look bad, but if your read anything you would know I was not saying any religon was bad, or I hated any religon.

he had a good point though. not once did you capitalize the pronouns Christian, Christmas, etc. but you did capitalize Kwanza....

 

[lolita715]

he had a good point though. not once did you capitalize the pronouns Christian, Christmas, etc. but you did capitalize Kwanza....

It was an honest mistake, Im not here to offened anyones religon, I see what he was saying, but by no means was I trying to degrade any religon.