Chris Kyle: American Liar

[Godboy]

Dick Marcinko had a term for people who would put down a SEAL, especially a dead one.

Cockbreath

So that's what you call Kyle for making up a story about Ventura who was a SEAL?

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL

Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then..

The UDT and the SEALS are not equivalent. The SEALS mission is broader and different from the UDT. When the SEALS were formed, additional training was was required to convert UDTs to SEAL teams.

UDT was the precursor to SEALS.
OSS was the precursor to CIA.

I don't know what's so hard to understand.

The training that UDT guys had was nothing like what todays SEALs are faced with. They arent SEALs.

 

[Discombobulated]

Having read the book, I went and did some more research of Chris Kyle and his life. The things I found were pretty astounding. If you thought the Jesse Ventura fight was a hell of a yarn, wait until you get a load of some of the other stories Chris Kyle told about himself but left out of his book.

Chris told many people, and some reporters, that just after his return from Iraq in 2009, he was carjacked by two men at a gas station on a remote Texas highway. Chris asked the men if he could reach into his truck to get his keys, and as he did he pulled a pistol from his waistband and shot both men in the chest from under his armpit. The two men were killed instantly. Chris called the police and waited for them while leaning against his truck. The police came, Chris handed them a phone number to call at the Pentagon. The cops called the number, and the people at the Pentagon told the cops that Chris Kyle was a war hero and a Navy SEAL. The police also went inside and watched the gas station surveillance video of the incident. The cops then let Chris go on his way. Chris claimed he got emails from cops all across the country after the incident thanking him for "keeping the streets clean". Great story. Except none of it is true. Not a word. There were no carjackers, no dead bodies, no cops, none of it. He made the whole thing up. His big mistake was then telling the story to his SEAL friend, Marcus Lutrell, author of Lone Survivor, and Marcus put the story in his second book, Service: A Navy SEAL at Work. Now it wasn't just a tall-tale, it was in the public record, and it is demonstrably a lie. The New Yorker magazine and other journalists have investigated the story. They all come to the same conclusion. There were no carjackers. There were no dead bodies. There were no cops. None of it happened. No police departments know anything about it, no coroner ever saw the bodies, no gas station had any surveillance video or ever heard of such a thing and no cops ever responded to the scene and called the Pentagon.

Sounds like a lot of he said/she said nonsense. Unsubstantiated anecdotes challenged by idle rumors.

 

[pinqy]

Pretty good read:

Truth, Justice and the Curious Case of Chris Kyle

Despite the very high burden of proof, on July 19, 2014, Jesse Ventura, former Governor of Minnesota, WWF wrestler, TV show host and Former Navy SEAL (technically he was in the pre-cursor to SEALs, the UDT) won a defamation lawsuit against deceased former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, author of American Sniper to the tune of $1.8 million. In the book, Chris Kyle, claimed to have punched 'Scruff-face', later identified by Kyle as Jesse Ventura, in a SEAL bar in California after Ventura said some nasty things. Here is the passage in question from the book:

After the funeral, we went to a local bar for the wake proper. (for Navy SEAL and Medal of Honor winner Mike Monsoor who was killed in action in Iraq)

As always, there were a bunch of different things going on at our favorite nightspot, including a small party for some older SEALs and UDT members who were celebrating the anniversary of their graduation. Among them was a celebrity I'll call Scruff Face.

Scruff served in the military; most people seem to believe he was a SEAL. As far as I know, he was in service during the Vietnam conflict but not the actual war.

I was sitting with Ryan (a SEAL who was wounded and blinded in the Iraq war) and told him that Scruff was holding court with some of his buddies.

"I'd really like to meet him, " Ryan said.

"Sure". I got up and went over to Scruff and introduced myself. "Mr. Scruff Face, I have a young SEAL over here who's just come back from Iraq. He's been injured but he'd really like to meet you."

Well, Scruff kind of blew us off. Still, Ryan really wanted to meet him, so I brought him over. Scruff acted like he couldn't be bothered.

All right.

We went back over to our side of the bar and had a few more drinks. In the meantime, Scruff started running his mouth about the war and everything and anything he could connect to it. President Bush was an asshole. We were only over there because Bush wanted to show up his father. We were doing the wrong thing, killing men, woman and children and murdering.

And on and on. Scruff said he hates America and that's why he moved to Baja California. 9/11 was a conspiracy.

And on some more.

The guys were getting upset. Finally, I went over and tried to get him to cool it.

"We're all here in mourning." I told him. "Can you just cool it? Keep it down."

"You deserve to lose a few," he told me.

I was uncharacteristically level-headed at that moment.

"Look," I told him, "why don't we just step away from each other and go on our way?"

Scruff bowed up again. This time he swung.

Being level-headed and calm can last only so long. I laid him out.

Tables flew. Stuff happened. Scruff face ended up on the floor.

I left.

Quickly.

I have no way of knowing for sure, but rumor has it he showed up at the BUD/S graduation with a black eye.

That is the story that was proven to be untrue in the court proceedings. Jesse Ventura didn't say those things to Chris Kyle or any other SEAL. Chris Kyle did not hit Jesse Ventura. The entire episode never occurred. Or to put it another way, Chris Kyle lied. To put an even finer point on it, Chris Kyle lied to make himself look good.

Says WHO? Jesse Ventura? That fucking asshole would lie to his mother if it would profit his stupid conspiratorial shit.
You keep making up stuff.
Do you ever ask yourself why it is you are always on the side of left wing fringe radical?

You do realize that Ventura sued the Kyle estate and won for defamation, which is really hard to prove. He proved his case in court that Kyle slandered him and showed damages from that. Now, it was kind of a dick move to sue a dead man's wife, but the facts remain: Kyle lied in his book.

That doesn't make his actions as a SEAL any less heroic or Ventura any less of an asshat.

 

[Brain357]

Pretty good read:

Truth, Justice and the Curious Case of Chris Kyle

Despite the very high burden of proof, on July 19, 2014, Jesse Ventura, former Governor of Minnesota, WWF wrestler, TV show host and Former Navy SEAL (technically he was in the pre-cursor to SEALs, the UDT) won a defamation lawsuit against deceased former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, author of American Sniper to the tune of $1.8 million. In the book, Chris Kyle, claimed to have punched 'Scruff-face', later identified by Kyle as Jesse Ventura, in a SEAL bar in California after Ventura said some nasty things. Here is the passage in question from the book:

After the funeral, we went to a local bar for the wake proper. (for Navy SEAL and Medal of Honor winner Mike Monsoor who was killed in action in Iraq)

As always, there were a bunch of different things going on at our favorite nightspot, including a small party for some older SEALs and UDT members who were celebrating the anniversary of their graduation. Among them was a celebrity I'll call Scruff Face.

Scruff served in the military; most people seem to believe he was a SEAL. As far as I know, he was in service during the Vietnam conflict but not the actual war.

I was sitting with Ryan (a SEAL who was wounded and blinded in the Iraq war) and told him that Scruff was holding court with some of his buddies.

"I'd really like to meet him, " Ryan said.

"Sure". I got up and went over to Scruff and introduced myself. "Mr. Scruff Face, I have a young SEAL over here who's just come back from Iraq. He's been injured but he'd really like to meet you."

Well, Scruff kind of blew us off. Still, Ryan really wanted to meet him, so I brought him over. Scruff acted like he couldn't be bothered.

All right.

We went back over to our side of the bar and had a few more drinks. In the meantime, Scruff started running his mouth about the war and everything and anything he could connect to it. President Bush was an asshole. We were only over there because Bush wanted to show up his father. We were doing the wrong thing, killing men, woman and children and murdering.

And on and on. Scruff said he hates America and that's why he moved to Baja California. 9/11 was a conspiracy.

And on some more.

The guys were getting upset. Finally, I went over and tried to get him to cool it.

"We're all here in mourning." I told him. "Can you just cool it? Keep it down."

"You deserve to lose a few," he told me.

I was uncharacteristically level-headed at that moment.

"Look," I told him, "why don't we just step away from each other and go on our way?"

Scruff bowed up again. This time he swung.

Being level-headed and calm can last only so long. I laid him out.

Tables flew. Stuff happened. Scruff face ended up on the floor.

I left.

Quickly.

I have no way of knowing for sure, but rumor has it he showed up at the BUD/S graduation with a black eye.

That is the story that was proven to be untrue in the court proceedings. Jesse Ventura didn't say those things to Chris Kyle or any other SEAL. Chris Kyle did not hit Jesse Ventura. The entire episode never occurred. Or to put it another way, Chris Kyle lied. To put an even finer point on it, Chris Kyle lied to make himself look good.

Says WHO? Jesse Ventura? That fucking asshole would lie to his mother if it would profit his stupid conspiratorial shit.
You keep making up stuff.
Do you ever ask yourself why it is you are always on the side of left wing fringe radical?

You do realize that Ventura sued the Kyle estate and won for defamation, which is really hard to prove. He proved his case in court that Kyle slandered him and showed damages from that. Now, it was kind of a dick move to sue a dead man's wife, but the facts remain: Kyle lied in his book.

That doesn't make his actions as a SEAL any less heroic or Ventura any less of an asshat.

He started suing Kyle himself. Not venturas fault he got gunned down. He gave the widow the option of not continuing the lies and she preferred to continue in court.

 

[Dot Com]

It is debatable whether Ventura was actually a Seal.

Reports are he did not finish the required training for being an official Seal thus was placed on the underwater demolition team.

The underwater demolition team was eventually disbanded and the members were retrained and became certified Seals, but this was years after Ventura left the Navy.

IMO he really should not be calling himself an actual Seal since he never completed the necessary training.

"reports"? From where DigitalRacist? DigitalDrifter.

 

[Synthaholic]

Says WHO? Jesse Ventura? That fucking asshole would lie to his mother if it would profit his stupid conspiratorial shit.
You keep making up stuff.
Do you ever ask yourself why it is you are always on the side of left wing fringe radical?

You didn't read the OP at all, did you dope?

You should be embarrassed, but none of your behavior seems to embarrass you.

 

[Synthaholic]

No...You're all just fucked in the heasd because you went all in on the Chosen One and he's turned into a dismal failure.

Under no metric under the sun can Obama be considered a dismal failure.

You exist in a bubble.

 

[Synthaholic]

So that's what you call Kyle for making up a story about Ventura who was a SEAL?

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL

Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then..

The UDT and the SEALS are not equivalent. The SEALS mission is broader and different from the UDT. When the SEALS were formed, additional training was was required to convert UDTs to SEAL teams.

UDT was the precursor to SEALS.
OSS was the precursor to CIA.

I don't know what's so hard to understand.

The training that UDT guys had was nothing like what todays SEALs are faced with. They arent SEALs.

The training that SEALs got in the 1980s was nothing like what today's SEALs are faced with.

So what's your point? That they aren't true SEALs either?

 

[Synthaholic]

Now, it was kind of a dick move to sue a dead man's wife

He sued the estate.

I swear, none of you actually read the story.

 

[Cross]

Dick Marcinko had a term for people who would put down a SEAL, especially a dead one.

Cockbreath

So that's what you call Kyle for making up a story about Ventura who was a SEAL?

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL

Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then.

Just as how CIA agents were still intelligence agents when it was called the Office of Strategic Services

Are you going to turn out to be just another Right-Wing dumbass? Because we've got plenty here already.

Ventura was never a SEAL,

 

[hortysir]

You're welcome

 

[Dot Com]

Dick Marcinko had a term for people who would put down a SEAL, especially a dead one.

Cockbreath

So that's what you call Kyle for making up a story about Ventura who was a SEAL?

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL

Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then.

Just as how CIA agents were still intelligence agents when it was called the Office of Strategic Services

Are you going to turn out to be just another Right-Wing dumbass? Because we've got plenty here already.

Ventura was never a SEAL,

your source didn't post through n00b. What training did he go through?

 

[Dot Com]

So that's what you call Kyle for making up a story about Ventura who was a SEAL?

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL

Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then..

The UDT and the SEALS are not equivalent. The SEALS mission is broader and different from the UDT. When the SEALS were formed, additional training was was required to convert UDTs to SEAL teams.

UDT was the precursor to SEALS.
OSS was the precursor to CIA.

I don't know what's so hard to understand.

The training that UDT guys had was nothing like what todays SEALs are faced with. They arent SEALs.

we aren't talking about today's SEALs deflection boi. We're talking about training that was given during Ventura's Time in service.

 

[whitehall]

Why is this post on Current Events? Kyle has been dead for almost two years. Show some freaking respect for God's sake. How about investigating the background of the guy who murdered him and was alleged to have PTSD but never was in combat.

 

[Cross]

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL

Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then..

The UDT and the SEALS are not equivalent. The SEALS mission is broader and different from the UDT. When the SEALS were formed, additional training was was required to convert UDTs to SEAL teams.

UDT was the precursor to SEALS.
OSS was the precursor to CIA.

I don't know what's so hard to understand.

The training that UDT guys had was nothing like what todays SEALs are faced with. They arent SEALs.

we aren't talking about today's SEALs deflection boi. We're talking about training that was given during Ventura's Time in service.

Jesse Ventura was never a SEAL, doesn't matter about what training he had...there is a Naval formal classification for a SEAL.., Jesse Ventura never held that classification therefore was never a Navy SEAL..he was UDT...just the facts, the rest is just "Alex Jones bull shit".

 

[Dot Com]

do yo

Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then..

The UDT and the SEALS are not equivalent. The SEALS mission is broader and different from the UDT. When the SEALS were formed, additional training was was required to convert UDTs to SEAL teams.

UDT was the precursor to SEALS.
OSS was the precursor to CIA.

I don't know what's so hard to understand.

The training that UDT guys had was nothing like what todays SEALs are faced with. They arent SEALs.

we aren't talking about today's SEALs deflection boi. We're talking about training that was given during Ventura's Time in service.

Jesse Ventura was never a SEAL, doesn't matter about what training he had...there is a Naval formal classification for a SEAL.., Jesse Ventura never held that classification therefore was never a Navy SEAL..he was UDT...just the facts, the rest is just "Alex Jones bull shit".

Do you know the name of the training that UDT went through?

 

[Godboy]

do yo

The UDT and the SEALS are not equivalent. The SEALS mission is broader and different from the UDT. When the SEALS were formed, additional training was was required to convert UDTs to SEAL teams.

UDT was the precursor to SEALS.
OSS was the precursor to CIA.

I don't know what's so hard to understand.

The training that UDT guys had was nothing like what todays SEALs are faced with. They arent SEALs.

we aren't talking about today's SEALs deflection boi. We're talking about training that was given during Ventura's Time in service.

Jesse Ventura was never a SEAL, doesn't matter about what training he had...there is a Naval formal classification for a SEAL.., Jesse Ventura never held that classification therefore was never a Navy SEAL..he was UDT...just the facts, the rest is just "Alex Jones bull shit".

Do you know the name of the training that UDT went through?

Please tell me that you dont think BUDS is where SEALs are trained. Please tell me you arent that clueless. BUDS is 12 weeks, while their actual training takes 2.5 years.

 

[Dot Com]

When is one of these rw tinfoilers going to produce a link?

 

[Politico]

Good grief so many of you are idiots.

 

[Delldude]

The things people would lie about just to sell a book.

Or a healthcare plan.