Chris Kyle: American Liar

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^ Kyle in uniform
ummm..... my uniform didn't have a brand name on it Frank1400PennAve CrusaderFrank Why does that Kyle fellows?
 
I'll hold judgement until I see Eastwood's movie recently out, "American Sniper".

Yes I like to base all my thoughts on Hollywood movies, good idea. They are usually your most accurate source of information.
 
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Dick Marcinko had a term for people who would put down a SEAL, especially a dead one.

Cockbreath

So that's what you call Kyle for making up a story about Ventura who was a SEAL?

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL
Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then..
The UDT and the SEALS are not equivalent. The SEALS mission is broader and different from the UDT. When the SEALS were formed, additional training was was required to convert UDTs to SEAL teams.

As for the OP....Chris Kyle was an American Patriot, and also a liar. The two are not incompatible.
 
I'll hold judgement until I see Eastwood's movie recently out, "American Sniper".
At the end of the linked OP article is a link to his review of the movie. High praise for Bradley Cooper, but the supporting cast is bad, and the movie is generally bad. It's also a good read.
 
Dick Marcinko had a term for people who would put down a SEAL, especially a dead one.

Cockbreath

So that's what you call Kyle for making up a story about Ventura who was a SEAL?

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL
Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then..
The UDT and the SEALS are not equivalent. The SEALS mission is broader and different from the UDT. When the SEALS were formed, additional training was was required to convert UDTs to SEAL teams.
UDT was the precursor to SEALS.
OSS was the precursor to CIA.

I don't know what's so hard to understand.
 
It is debatable whether Ventura was actually a Seal.

Reports are he did not finish the required training for being an official Seal thus was placed on the underwater demolition team.

The underwater demolition team was eventually disbanded and the members were retrained and became certified Seals, but this was years after Ventura left the Navy.

IMO he really should not be calling himself an actual Seal since he never completed the necessary training.
 
It is debatable whether Ventura was actually a Seal.

Reports are he did not finish the required training for being an official Seal thus was placed on the underwater demolition team.

The underwater demolition team was eventually disbanded and the members were retrained and became certified Seals, but this was years after Ventura left the Navy.

IMO he really should not be calling himself an actual Seal since he never completed the necessary training.

The seals must feel he is since he goes to all their stuff. If they think he is so do I.
 
Dick Marcinko had a term for people who would put down a SEAL, especially a dead one.

Cockbreath

So that's what you call Kyle for making up a story about Ventura who was a SEAL?

Sorry, Ventura was never a SEAL
Yes he was. They weren't called SEALS back then.

Just as how CIA agents were still intelligence agents when it was called the Office of Strategic Services

Are you going to turn out to be just another Right-Wing dumbass? Because we've got plenty here already.

So he was something that wasn't then...Cool, I like your logic.

CIA were OSS agents then. Just like UDT teams were not SEALS then.
UDT came from OSS. Navy refers to UDT, OSS as predecessors of Navy SEALS .
 
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Pretty good read:

Truth, Justice and the Curious Case of Chris Kyle

Despite the very high burden of proof, on July 19, 2014, Jesse Ventura, former Governor of Minnesota, WWF wrestler, TV show host and Former Navy SEAL (technically he was in the pre-cursor to SEALs, the UDT) won a defamation lawsuit against deceased former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, author of American Sniper to the tune of $1.8 million. In the book, Chris Kyle, claimed to have punched 'Scruff-face', later identified by Kyle as Jesse Ventura, in a SEAL bar in California after Ventura said some nasty things. Here is the passage in question from the book:

After the funeral, we went to a local bar for the wake proper. (for Navy SEAL and Medal of Honor winner Mike Monsoor who was killed in action in Iraq)

As always, there were a bunch of different things going on at our favorite nightspot, including a small party for some older SEALs and UDT members who were celebrating the anniversary of their graduation. Among them was a celebrity I'll call Scruff Face.

Scruff served in the military; most people seem to believe he was a SEAL. As far as I know, he was in service during the Vietnam conflict but not the actual war.

I was sitting with Ryan (a SEAL who was wounded and blinded in the Iraq war) and told him that Scruff was holding court with some of his buddies.

"I'd really like to meet him, " Ryan said.

"Sure". I got up and went over to Scruff and introduced myself. "Mr. Scruff Face, I have a young SEAL over here who's just come back from Iraq. He's been injured but he'd really like to meet you."

Well, Scruff kind of blew us off. Still, Ryan really wanted to meet him, so I brought him over. Scruff acted like he couldn't be bothered.

All right.

We went back over to our side of the bar and had a few more drinks. In the meantime, Scruff started running his mouth about the war and everything and anything he could connect to it. President Bush was an asshole. We were only over there because Bush wanted to show up his father. We were doing the wrong thing, killing men, woman and children and murdering.

And on and on. Scruff said he hates America and that's why he moved to Baja California. 9/11 was a conspiracy.

And on some more.

The guys were getting upset. Finally, I went over and tried to get him to cool it.

"We're all here in mourning." I told him. "Can you just cool it? Keep it down."

"You deserve to lose a few," he told me.

I was uncharacteristically level-headed at that moment.

"Look," I told him, "why don't we just step away from each other and go on our way?"

Scruff bowed up again. This time he swung.

Being level-headed and calm can last only so long. I laid him out.

Tables flew. Stuff happened. Scruff face ended up on the floor.

I left.

Quickly.

I have no way of knowing for sure, but rumor has it he showed up at the BUD/S graduation with a black eye.

That is the story that was proven to be untrue in the court proceedings. Jesse Ventura didn't say those things to Chris Kyle or any other SEAL. Chris Kyle did not hit Jesse Ventura. The entire episode never occurred. Or to put it another way, Chris Kyle lied. To put an even finer point on it, Chris Kyle lied to make himself look good.
Says WHO? Jesse Ventura? That fucking asshole would lie to his mother if it would profit his stupid conspiratorial shit.
You keep making up stuff.
Do you ever ask yourself why it is you are always on the side of left wing fringe radical?
 

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