Child Support as political pawn.

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  1. JP Cusick
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    There are laws in States but mandated by federal laws which has created a "parenting police" to enforce the oppressive and destructive Child Support system and it needs to be stopped - or at least needs some huge reforms.

    As it is now it is ONLY-only poor and impoverished and dead-broke parents go to jail for the Child Support (for 6 months to 3 years then plus probation), so now we literally have hundreds of parents going in and out of jail in every American County, and thousands upon thousands of parents in and out of jail in every State, and we literally have millions upon millions of dirt poor parents going in and out of jail nationwide and it is not only an absurd process but in true effect the laws destroy the families by incarcerating the parents.

    And the federal laws will put the parents into federal prison for five (5) years and if the parents had the money to pay then they would not go to jail nor to prison because only the low income and dead-broke parents get incarcerated and it needs to be stopped.

    Most people fail to see that Child Support is a big political agenda and it is not a true effort to help children. There is a pretense that giving them money means helping the child(ren) but we know the children need their parents, and particularly need their fathers, but the well developed American doctrine has become that money is itself its own justification and that doctrine is not true and not real so that the laws are doing real long term damage to our society.

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    hmm

    I agree with parts of that. There's no sense in putting an unemployed parent in jail b/c they ran out of money, or, in my case, I was making far less than my highest income level when my wife left. If I didn't pay a lawyer to be there I would have been paying ~80% of my current income in CS.

    The only real issue I have is custody. In PA, the father must prove that the mother is physically abusive to have a chance at custody. The only other way is for the mother to be a 3 time loser.

    but as far as support goes. If the guy simply refuses to pay, he must be punished for theft, or the family is left hanging.
     
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    Unfortunately I often run into this same attitude as quoted above - in that you see and know of the injustices and you know parents are getting railroaded and abused by the laws and the Child Support process - but then you put on that nasty last sentence which damns them all.

    This is the truest meaning of self-righteousness (and I mean to explain and not to offend) in that you see your self as right and I agree that you are right and thereby righteous in this case, but you do not give the same honest regard to the other parents as you give to your self.

    The laws do put unemployed parents in jail for Child Support but the law also puts employed parents into jail who can not afford the c/s demands and then those parents become unemployed.

    Most poor people including dead-broke parents do work and do have jobs and the Child Support laws attack the parents and demand ridiculous payments even up to 65% and the unjust laws turn parents into criminals.

    I agree with you that the custody laws are horrible too and giving custody to one parent means the law is effectively stealing the child(ren) from one parent and then demanding the c/s cash as ransom money or else they will never see their children again.

    What the laws really do is destroy the family unit in some pretense of helping children by attacking their parents.

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    It is the pillar of abuse.
    You have no rights and it has allowed the word and definition of marriage to become a joke. Paying child support along with the other events that go along with being that person is misery and to be put in jail because your broke is by far the stupidest thing I have ever seen behind electing Obama
    Any way, The child deserves both parents, and both parents should have done the right thing to start with
    What a shame marriage has become for so many,not all, but for some.
    Once that marriage fails there are never any winners. It is the most destructive event in peoples lives that in the end leaves the child hurting the worse
    The left in this country are so hungry for power they will condone the assassination of an evil man while calling water boarding torture, putting a person in jail for not paying child support who is broke makes as much sense. I am all for protecting ones right to to protect those who cannot protect them selves. Its one thing to go after a dead beat, another to go after a broke beat
     
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    This really sounds backwards, making parents financially responsible for their kids=ridiculous? Okie Dokie.


    Here's a little personal side story; my stepmom has a 32 year old daughter, 2 years ago she was notified that she was getting a check in the mail to pay for the 18 years in which her ex-husband paid zero child support. While the check was in the mail she received another call from the gov't agency that the check she was getting was being cancelled because the father said that his company wouldn't be able to meet payroll for the week.

    Ahhhh the efficiencies and beauty of the american government.
     
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    There's a difference between, can't pay and won't pay.

    If you can't pay, you do get screwed, by getting turned into a criminal.
    If you won't pay, you made yourself a criminal, and a jackass on top of it.
     
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    Mothers baby daddys maybe.
     
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    Debtors prisons?

    How Dickensian of us.
     
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    I see this as what I tried to explain before about you being self-righteous.

    You said and declare that you know the laws to be wrong and the only reason your self escaped the ruin was because of your Lawyer but then you do not give the same regard to other parents trampled by those same laws.

    You were the rightful parent but other parents are the deadbeats.

    The sad reality is that there are no "deadbeat" parents anywhere on the entire planet earth - not one.

    The libel of "Deadbeat parent" is a political slander to degrade and demonize parents in order to justify the cruel and inhuman Child Support and Custody laws.

    This is why we have dead-broke parents in jails and prisons all across the USA because the lynch-mob mentality has demonized parents (particularly fathers but Moms too) as being "deadbeats" and thus deserving to be punished even though they have done absolutely nothing wrong.

    It is politically expedient to have a demonized agenda and in this case the attack is against parents by the ultimate parenting police system and it needs to be stopped - or else very much reformed.

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    Parents who abdicate their responsibility to pay child support (be they mothers OR fathers) should be charged with child abuse and thrown in jail. They are scum and I have no use for them.
     

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