"Change", We Should Not Have Believed In..

[Meister]

You don't know 20,000 words much less twenty thousand people who were McCain voters who would now vote for Obama. It's the other way around. You are just a kid who is wet behind the ears and hasn't the experience to make any truthful experienced remarks about the government of our nation. Sure, you are given the right to vote, but you are just as dumbassed about politics as the day you were born.
You call the racist card just like all others who can't see the light. This man is from a racist background if you have done your homework. There will always be the racist thing, but you kids need to either grow up and accept reality, or use more intelligent comebacks. It is quite obvious to me that Obama is using this universal healthcare to further the welfare program of our nation. And, who pays for that? The middle class American who goes to work each day, pays taxes , and supports our economy with spending hard earned money on necessary items to sustain life without depending on the government to do it for them. That's called Capitalism. That is what our country is. It is a capitalistic nation. What Obama and you represent is called socialism. Socialism leads to communism. Is that where you want our nation to go? If so, you will definitely be blocked.

My vocabulary is much higher than yours, lets put it that way.

It's obvious you don't know a thing called sarcasm, but I figure the Klan kind of kills any sense of humor huh?

Dumbassed isn't a word by the way. I don't need to be in my 40's to realize how bad things are in this country or how badly Republicans have fucked up things since 1980. I don't need some college degree or some ignorant fuck like you to tell me how things are.

You are a racist if you truly believe the two things I bolded before in your last post. You're just too ignorant to realize it.

You wouldn't know Socialism if it pimp slapped you in the face. You truly think Obama is a Socialist? The guy's not even a fucking Liberal. Are you sure you haven't gone and mixed up the N word with Socialist? I know some of you do that.

By the way, you hark so much about Capitalism. Want to know what the reality of Capitalism is?

I'll quote the late George Carlin on this one:

"Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people’s stuff."

Robt., Soaring was spot on with the spirit of his post. There was nothing racial from the prior post. The left seems to use it as a deflection when people bring up that Obama is half Black. It was used by the democrats a lot during the campaign....as a deflection to protect Obama, and cause a stir with the people less educated in politics.
You stated Obama isn't a socialist, but what do you call someone who wants to redistribute the wealth in America? It sure isn't capitalism. But, call Obama whatever you want, he is what he is.
If things are "fucked up" since 1980....not 1976 under Carter, I see....but 1980 both parties are to blame not just the republicans. There is enough blame to go around for everyone that is in politics.

 

[Foxfyre]

I'm wondering when Geroge Carlin became an authority on capitalism.

 

[BrianH]

No, because if you believe McCain or even Palin could do better then this then you're smoking some serious drugs.

FYI: The Stimulus plan doesn't even have 1/4 of the money released yet I believe. How can you judge something not even 1/4 done? That would be like saying one baseball team sucks because they're losing in the bottom of the 2nd or something.

Also, Obama is having trouble selling his healthcare plan because many of the Democrats have no idea what they're doing when trying to set this thing up while the party of No/many Democrats/Lobbyists/Insurance Companies/etc do not want any sort of reform health care bill to past.

It's a classic case of special interest vs what needs to be done. I'm willing to bet large amounts of money that those against any sort of real reform in the health care industry is getting "campaign contributions" from many of these companies.

Government run healthcare will be terrible. It may work in other countries due to their smaller population, but will not work in the United States. You've seen what the government can handle when it comes to the U.S. Postal Service, Military Healthcare, Native American Healthcare, etc... What makes people think they can run a country-wide healthcare any better?

 

[chanel]

Honest Dems are admitting their mistake in my circles.Most Reps knew exactly what he had planned but too many decent people were swayed by the slobbering of the press. I think the poll numbers demonstrate their remorse. Question is - will it make a difference in 2012 and what will the country look like by then? Scary thoughts.

Obama was Assisted by the "Free Press" and the Sinking Economy...

The DemocRATS could have put up a One Armed, Chronically Masturbating Monkey, and 50% of the Country that Voted would have Voted for it, because of their Perception that REPUBLICans had to go...

Even though they had been gone in Congress since 2006.

I am Shocked that McMaverick got a Higher Percentage in his Loss than Clinton did in his Win in 1992...

I would've Expected McMaverick to get Beaten Silly, but he didn't.

It was Emotional Women who put Barry in Office...

53% of the Votes Cast were by Women... Of them, Barry got 56%.

The Male Vote was a Split...

But if you've got 53 People Supporting one Person and 46 Supporting another, you don't have a Mandate by ANY Stretch...

Barry should've done Better, and he Certainly didn't Convince Men he was the Answer.



peace...

Word!

Many people expected Obama to pay their rents or put money in their pockets. Instead, they are met with higher prices and job losses.

A close family member said to me, soon after the election, "that now Obama is in office, things should get better". But everytime I go to the grocery store, I am alarmed at the food prices. And this is after Obama took office.

I am one female who was not swayed by his arrogance and his con artist disposition.

I have always been aware, that Obama's Presidency is all about pushing his own agenda. Himself.

I have female friends who voted for Obama nd had the audacity to say "its time the govt did something for me" These single moms (mostly teachers making over 60K) have finally realized that the govt owes them NOTHING and they are lucky to have a decent paying job. It amazes me how many fairly intelligent people were duped into thinking that Obama was going to pay their mortgages.That Kool Aid was stronger than anyone could have imagined.(I can speak to them now that they'd sobered up) Took me a while.

 

[Modbert]

Robt., Soaring was spot on with the spirit of his post. There was nothing racial from the prior post. The left seems to use it as a deflection when people bring up that Obama is half Black. It was used by the democrats a lot during the campaign....as a deflection to protect Obama, and cause a stir with the people less educated in politics.
You stated Obama isn't a socialist, but what do you call someone who wants to redistribute the wealth in America? It sure isn't capitalism. But, call Obama whatever you want, he is what he is.
If things are "fucked up" since 1980....not 1976 under Carter, I see....but 1980 both parties are to blame not just the republicans. There is enough blame to go around for everyone that is in politics.

Seriously? When he says Obama just wants to get healthcare for the black people too lazy to work, that's not racist? Oh, and the term wetback isn't racist either?

Redistribute the wealth, are you really harking on that term? Obama isn't even a Liberal, what don't you get about that?

Well lets see, was Carter a Republican? Maybe that's why I said 1980 and Republican in the same sentence. Since 1980, for only 8 years (excellent economic years by the way) did we have a Democratic President who wasn't even that Liberal.

I certainly agree there is more then enough blame to go around for both of the major parties today however.

 

[Modbert]

I'm wondering when Geroge Carlin became an authority on capitalism.

Well point out to me where he's wrong.

 

[Modbert]

Government run healthcare will be terrible. It may work in other countries due to their smaller population, but will not work in the United States. You've seen what the government can handle when it comes to the U.S. Postal Service, Military Healthcare, Native American Healthcare, etc... What makes people think they can run a country-wide healthcare any better?

Well that's why it will be a option but you never know.

The U.S Postal Service is one of the best examples of Government run things though. I've never lost a letter or package using the Postal service but I know plenty of people who lose stuff all the time because they use private companies.

The VA in general is fucked up, not just healthcare. Trust me, I know all about that.

I think a Government run healthcare system is better for people with no insurance than no insurance.

 

[BrianH]

Thanks Maple!

Yes, he will go back to Chicago in shame, the same way that Carter crawled back to Georgia, because he is just too inexperienced for the job.

This is a man, who wanted the job of President, so he can go down in the history book as being the 1st black President.

He just does not have the passion for the job. At times he seems bored. He exudes more passion, when he is throwing a ball on the basketball court.

This country is screwed for the next 3 years.

*Cough Racist Cough*

Honestly, you truly are that ignorant, I'm amazed. You have to be up there with PI.

Oh by the way, I know 20,000 people who were McCain voters but I know now personally that they would for Obama if given the chance.

Racist? He just stated a fact. He said nothing derrogatory about the man's race, but only his intentions.

Let's not also forget that Obama's mother was white, and so was her womb. I'll agree that this is our first (half-black) president. Here's a good video...there's more involved than just Obama, but he makes some good points about Obama's "blackness."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuEc-nFULY8]YouTube - Her name is "Ms. Ann"[/ame]

 

[Modbert]

Racist? He just stated a fact. He said nothing derrogatory about the man's race, but only his intentions.

Let's not also forget that Obama's mother was white, and so was her womb. I'll agree that this is our first (half-black) president. Here's a good video...there's more involved than just Obama, but he makes some good points about Obama's "blackness."

I was more joking then anything. But I found it ironic that the first thing being brought up was only Obama's African side of the family. People forget as you said that he had a white mother.

However, the part I find more ignorant than anything was bringing up the "Intensity" that Obama has on the basketball court while saying it's more than he has for the job. Whenever I see Obama on the basketball court, he usually takes one shot or looks bored out of his mind.

Being President of the United States isn't a walk in the park, neither it is a job that is suppose to be fun really. It's about hard work and commitment.

I mean if the job didn't stress out people then maybe we wouldn't have a President who goes into office with Black/Brown hair and comes with Grey hair.

 

[BrianH]

Government run healthcare will be terrible. It may work in other countries due to their smaller population, but will not work in the United States. You've seen what the government can handle when it comes to the U.S. Postal Service, Military Healthcare, Native American Healthcare, etc... What makes people think they can run a country-wide healthcare any better?

Well that's why it will be a option but you never know.

The U.S Postal Service is one of the best examples of Government run things though. I've never lost a letter or package using the Postal service but I know plenty of people who lose stuff all the time because they use private companies.

The VA in general is fucked up, not just healthcare. Trust me, I know all about that.

I think a Government run healthcare system is better for people with no insurance than no insurance.

It's possible... I do believe that something should be done about the healthcare system, however, I just don't think government run health-care is the answer. Government-regulated healthcare, caps on health-care prices...maybe.

 

[BrianH]

Racist? He just stated a fact. He said nothing derrogatory about the man's race, but only his intentions.

Let's not also forget that Obama's mother was white, and so was her womb. I'll agree that this is our first (half-black) president. Here's a good video...there's more involved than just Obama, but he makes some good points about Obama's "blackness."

I was more joking then anything. But I found it ironic that the first thing being brought up was only Obama's African side of the family. People forget as you said that he had a white mother.

However, the part I find more ignorant than anything was bringing up the "Intensity" that Obama has on the basketball court while saying it's more than he has for the job. Whenever I see Obama on the basketball court, he usually takes one shot or looks bored out of his mind.

Being President of the United States isn't a walk in the park, neither it is a job that is suppose to be fun really. It's about hard work and commitment.

I mean if the job didn't stress out people then maybe we wouldn't have a President who goes into office with Black/Brown hair and comes with Grey hair.

I thought I was the only one who noticed his hair...lol. Poor Guy.

I haven't made up my mind about him yet, however, I will say that it does (to some degree) seem like he's in over his head. Even many government officials feel like he's trying to tackle too much at once.

 

[Foxfyre]

Robt., Soaring was spot on with the spirit of his post. There was nothing racial from the prior post. The left seems to use it as a deflection when people bring up that Obama is half Black. It was used by the democrats a lot during the campaign....as a deflection to protect Obama, and cause a stir with the people less educated in politics.
You stated Obama isn't a socialist, but what do you call someone who wants to redistribute the wealth in America? It sure isn't capitalism. But, call Obama whatever you want, he is what he is.
If things are "fucked up" since 1980....not 1976 under Carter, I see....but 1980 both parties are to blame not just the republicans. There is enough blame to go around for everyone that is in politics.

Seriously? When he says Obama just wants to get healthcare for the black people too lazy to work, that's not racist? Oh, and the term wetback isn't racist either?

Redistribute the wealth, are you really harking on that term? Obama isn't even a Liberal, what don't you get about that?

Well lets see, was Carter a Republican? Maybe that's why I said 1980 and Republican in the same sentence. Since 1980, for only 8 years (excellent economic years by the way) did we have a Democratic President who wasn't even that Liberal.

I certainly agree there is more then enough blame to go around for both of the major parties today however.

It is definitely poltiically incorrect language, but I refuse to assign political incorrectness as the same thing as racism/sexism/etc. You might say I am prejudiced against speech police or arbitrarily forbidden terminology.

My definition of racism is that which denigrates people because of their race or assigning them to inferior status or prejudicial assumptions based on their race.

In the 40's and 50's, "wetback" was commonly used in US newspapers to designate those who swam or waded the Rio Grande to enter the USA illegally. I don't use the term as it only stirs up hard feelings, but at face value it is not a racist term any more than jaywalker or bank robber are racist terms. It might be incorrect to assume that a black person or an organization focuses on benefitting a certain target group, but it is not racist to make such an observation.

But honest assessment of ANY President's tenure will show some good points and bad points. Clinton can't claim any good points until he got a Republican Congress in 1994 and from then on he was pretty darn successful. Reagan was pretty darn successful with mostly a Democratic Congress. President George H.W. Bush was successful until he yielded to a stupid Congressional initiative that triggered a recession and cost him the next election. George W. Bush pulled some really stupid and unconservative stuff, but you can't honestly take away from him the positive things that his tenure yielded.

Intellectual honesty looks at the whole picture and not just that which promotes a prejudicial or partisan point of view.

 

[Meister]

Robt., Soaring was spot on with the spirit of his post. There was nothing racial from the prior post. The left seems to use it as a deflection when people bring up that Obama is half Black. It was used by the democrats a lot during the campaign....as a deflection to protect Obama, and cause a stir with the people less educated in politics.
You stated Obama isn't a socialist, but what do you call someone who wants to redistribute the wealth in America? It sure isn't capitalism. But, call Obama whatever you want, he is what he is.
If things are "fucked up" since 1980....not 1976 under Carter, I see....but 1980 both parties are to blame not just the republicans. There is enough blame to go around for everyone that is in politics.

Seriously? When he says Obama just wants to get healthcare for the black people too lazy to work, that's not racist? Oh, and the term wetback isn't racist either?

Redistribute the wealth, are you really harking on that term? Obama isn't even a Liberal, what don't you get about that?

Well lets see, was Carter a Republican? Maybe that's why I said 1980 and Republican in the same sentence. Since 1980, for only 8 years (excellent economic years by the way) did we have a Democratic President who wasn't even that Liberal.

I certainly agree there is more then enough blame to go around for both of the major parties today however.

If you don't even think that Obama is a socialist, or even a liberal, I have to think that your pushing toward communism....damn.
Yes...I am "harking" on the term redistribution of wealth....because that is what it will end up being if Obama gets what he wants. Deny it all you want, but the truth is the truth.
If you were honest with all that you posted, you wouldn't even have mentioned the word republicans when talking about how things are "fucked up". Like I said it was done by both parties, and long before 1980.
Robt. your a smart kid, but you ain't that smart. Try not coming off like you are.

 

[Modbert]

I thought I was the only one who noticed his hair...lol. Poor Guy.

I haven't made up my mind about him yet, however, I will say that it does (to some degree) seem like he's in over his head. Even many government officials feel like he's trying to tackle too much at once.

Exactly my point, Bush and Clinton both came in with reasonably brown hair. Now look at them.

Well the thing is Brian, he has to tackle it all at once. I mean there is so much now that Presidents have to deal with that they didn't 40+ years ago. The job is always evolving but the fact he hasn't had a heart attack is a testament alone. Can you imagine having his job? Scary stuff

 

[Immanuel]

In the last Presidential election, this country overwhelmingly voted to put Obama into the Whitehouse. However, there were a group of people, who were discerning enough, to see through the haze of fancy words, campaign promises and therefore subsequently voted again him.

True, there was a group of people who saw through it... not one of them voted for McCain either. Those who were discerning enough saw through the bullshit coming from both parties and realized that a vote for either party was a vote for both parties.



Immie

 

[Modbert]

If you don't even think that Obama is a socialist, or even a liberal, I have to think that your pushing toward communism....damn.
Yes...I am "harking" on the term redistribution of wealth....because that is what it will end up being if Obama gets what he wants. Deny it all you want, but the truth is the truth.
If you were honest with all that you posted, you wouldn't even have mentioned the word republicans when talking about how things are "fucked up". Like I said it was done by both parties, and long before 1980.
Robt. your a smart kid, but you ain't that smart. Try not coming off like you are.

He's not a Communist either. He's moderate left at best.

Well lets see, deregulation really started under Reagan, continued under Bush H.W, continued under Clinton (who I already said wasn't that much of a Liberal), and continued further under Dubya. Deregulation is one of the biggest reasons why we have this current crisis now. There was nothing in place to make sure nothing like this happens because it was taken out.

However, that is not the only reason why things are fucked up today which is why Democrats get their slice of pie with the flavor of shame too.

 

[Meister]

If you don't even think that Obama is a socialist, or even a liberal, I have to think that your pushing toward communism....damn.
Yes...I am "harking" on the term redistribution of wealth....because that is what it will end up being if Obama gets what he wants. Deny it all you want, but the truth is the truth.
If you were honest with all that you posted, you wouldn't even have mentioned the word republicans when talking about how things are "fucked up". Like I said it was done by both parties, and long before 1980.
Robt. your a smart kid, but you ain't that smart. Try not coming off like you are.

He's not a Communist either. He's moderate left at best.

Well lets see, deregulation really started under Reagan, continued under Bush H.W, continued under Clinton (who I already said wasn't that much of a Liberal), and continued further under Dubya. Deregulation is one of the biggest reasons why we have this current crisis now. There was nothing in place to make sure nothing like this happens because it was taken out.

However, that is not the only reason why things are fucked up today which is why Democrats get their slice of pie with the flavor of shame too.

Regulation, and deregulation....that is a tough one. If someone knew how to do it right, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it seems they go for the jugular when applying the regulations. This brings on job losses, and stagnation. Prior to 1980, they were applying too much regulations. It's a fine line, and I don't think politicians are smart enough to do it right. But, at the end of the day, I'm for less regulations because of stagnation, and job losses, Robt.

 

[Modbert]

Regulation, and deregulation....that is a tough one. If someone knew how to do it right, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it seems they go for the jugular when applying the regulations. This brings on job losses, and stagnation. Prior to 1980, they were applying too much regulations. It's a fine line, and I don't think politicians are smart enough to do it right. But, at the end of the day, I'm for less regulations because of stagnation, and job losses, Robt.

Politicians aren't the ones actually applying the regulation. However, this current situation and Bernie Madoff are prime examples of letting those who are investing your money to go about with basically no regulation. I'm not saying you need a million laws in place, just the proper ones. However, one side of the spectrum is compromising to the other side so just barely any legislation can pass at all. Which is why nothing really ever gets done in Congress.

 

[Soaring]

Robt., Soaring was spot on with the spirit of his post. There was nothing racial from the prior post. The left seems to use it as a deflection when people bring up that Obama is half Black. It was used by the democrats a lot during the campaign....as a deflection to protect Obama, and cause a stir with the people less educated in politics.
You stated Obama isn't a socialist, but what do you call someone who wants to redistribute the wealth in America? It sure isn't capitalism. But, call Obama whatever you want, he is what he is.
If things are "fucked up" since 1980....not 1976 under Carter, I see....but 1980 both parties are to blame not just the republicans. There is enough blame to go around for everyone that is in politics.

Seriously? When he says Obama just wants to get healthcare for the black people too lazy to work, that's not racist? Oh, and the term wetback isn't racist either?

Redistribute the wealth, are you really harking on that term? Obama isn't even a Liberal, what don't you get about that?

Well lets see, was Carter a Republican? Maybe that's why I said 1980 and Republican in the same sentence. Since 1980, for only 8 years (excellent economic years by the way) did we have a Democratic President who wasn't even that Liberal.

I certainly agree there is more then enough blame to go around for both of the major parties today however.

It is definitely poltiically incorrect language, but I refuse to assign political incorrectness as the same thing as racism/sexism/etc. You might say I am prejudiced against speech police or arbitrarily forbidden terminology.

My definition of racism is that which denigrates people because of their race or assigning them to inferior status or prejudicial assumptions based on their race.

In the 40's and 50's, "wetback" was commonly used in US newspapers to designate those who swam or waded the Rio Grande to enter the USA illegally. I don't use the term as it only stirs up hard feelings, but at face value it is not a racist term any more than jaywalker or bank robber are racist terms. It might be incorrect to assume that a black person or an organization focuses on benefitting a certain target group, but it is not racist to make such an observation.

But honest assessment of ANY President's tenure will show some good points and bad points. Clinton can't claim any good points until he got a Republican Congress in 1994 and from then on he was pretty darn successful. Reagan was pretty darn successful with mostly a Democratic Congress. President George H.W. Bush was successful until he yielded to a stupid Congressional initiative that triggered a recession and cost him the next election. George W. Bush pulled some really stupid and unconservative stuff, but you can't honestly take away from him the positive things that his tenure yielded.

Intellectual honesty looks at the whole picture and not just that which promotes a prejudicial or partisan point of view.

We still use "wetback" in the state of Texas as a designation for an illegal alien Mexican who enters our country illegally. It is not a derogatory figure of speech because it is a true figure of speech. They swim the Rio Grande river to enter our country illegally. Calling blacks, blacks is better than calling them the N word on the internet, but that is what we call the inter-city welfare recipient blacks. Most of the world does too. They do not make a living, nor do they add anything to our society. They are a drain on our society, and they need to be taken off the government tit. So do the illegal wetbacks who sit in the emergency rooms of our hospitals and receive free medical care that you and I pay for. Does somebody need to bitchslap you to wake you up to reality?

 

[cristal]

One thing that I have observed, is that people who are quick to hurl racial accusations, are often racists themselves.