"Change", We Should Not Have Believed In..

Obama said that he was going to fix it in 6 months. It has been 6 months. Foreclosures are at its worst and over 2 million jobs have been lost, since the stimulus bill was signed.

That my friend is not progress. It is an abject failure.

Now that is a lie. He said he would get legislation passed in six months. That he has done. He also said it take time, and there would still be a lot of pain before we are out of the woods.

You people took eight years totally screwing up this economy, nobody is capable of fixing the last eight years of incompetance and corruption in six months.

Obama promised that after the stimulus check was signed, he will create 3-4 million jobs by 2010. He made that announcement when he was pedaling his stimulus idea.. 2010 is in few months from now and the job market has been hemorrhaging.

He promised that he will keep unemployment under 8% it is at a dismal 10%. So you see, he lied. Not me.
 
Obama said that he was going to fix it in 6 months. It has been 6 months. Foreclosures are at its worst and over 2 million jobs have been lost, since the stimulus bill was signed.

That my friend is not progress. It is an abject failure.

Now that is a lie. He said he would get legislation passed in six months. That he has done. He also said it take time, and there would still be a lot of pain before we are out of the woods.

You people took eight years totally screwing up this economy, nobody is capable of fixing the last eight years of incompetance and corruption in six months.

Obama promised that after the stimulus check was signed, he will create 3-4 million jobs by 2010. He made that announcement when he was pedaling his stimulus idea.. 2010 is in few months from now and the job market has been hemorrhaging.

He promised that he will keep unemployment under 8% it is at a dismal 10%. So you see, he lied. Not me.
He not only lied, he was deceptive in his promises and a lot of idiots boughti into his deception. The lefties say the stimulus package hasn't been spent yet. OK. Why not?
 
Now that is a lie. He said he would get legislation passed in six months. That he has done. He also said it take time, and there would still be a lot of pain before we are out of the woods.

You people took eight years totally screwing up this economy, nobody is capable of fixing the last eight years of incompetance and corruption in six months.

Obama promised that after the stimulus check was signed, he will create 3-4 million jobs by 2010. He made that announcement when he was pedaling his stimulus idea.. 2010 is in few months from now and the job market has been hemorrhaging.

He promised that he will keep unemployment under 8% it is at a dismal 10%. So you see, he lied. Not me.
He not only lied, he was deceptive in his promises and a lot of idiots boughti into his deception. The lefties say the stimulus package hasn't been spent yet. OK. Why not?


Because as I said earlier, the plan was poorly executed. The stimulus bill was hurried through Congress and our Congressional leaders pretty much just signed on the dotted lines, without reading what was signed.

Obama had no idea in place as to how he was going to get the stimulus money out. He made a bunch of lofty promises, which was all left-over rhetoric from his campaign.

Only about 5-7% of the 787 Billion dollars was spent, which has not stimulated the economy in the very least. If Obama needs to see results, he needs to speed up the stimulus spending.

The problem with that, is he simply does not know how.
 
In the last Presidential election, this country overwhelmingly voted to put Obama into the Whitehouse. However, there were a group of people, who were discerning enough, to see through the haze of fancy words, campaign promises and therefore subsequently voted again him.

Now as it turned out, it appears as if we were right. Obama poll numbers have been sinking faster than The Titanic. His stimulus plan was poorly executed. And he is having trouble selling his healthcare plan. There is growing discontentment with the Obama administration, even within his own party.

Is this starting to be a case of, "I told you so"?

1) ALL partisans are witting or unwitting agents working toward the destruction of the nation. All of them deserve tarring and feathering, none of them deserve reprieve.

2) Obama received nearly a $million from Goldman Sachs in campaign contributions. His largest donor. Yet still a small fraction of what Goldman's elite bonusees received.

3) Goldman Sachs received special attention from this and the previous admin in two very important ways: First the "save the banks first" approach to the econ crisis did indeed save the banks that were "too big (as donors) to fail". But those banks didn't resume commercial lending, they re embarked into even more speculative investing, which is what caused the financial crisis. While the real goods and services economy burned and is still burning.

And the democratic congress ( who received an additional $4.45 million from Goldman Sachs) coupled with Obama, assisted Goldman Sachs in inflating the next bubble in the economy:

Inside The Great American Bubble Machine : Rolling Stone

"Fast-forward to today. It's early June in Washington, D.C. Barack Obama, a popular young politician whose leading private campaign donor was an investment bank called Goldman Sachs — its employees paid some $981,000 to his campaign — sits in the White House. Having seamlessly navigated the political minefield of the bailout era, Goldman is once again back to its old business, scouting out loopholes in a new government-created market with the aid of a new set of alumni occupying key government jobs.

Gone are Hank Paulson and Neel Kashkari; in their place are Treasury chief of staff Mark Patterson and CFTC chief Gary Gensler, both former Goldmanites. (Gensler was the firm's co-head of finance.) And instead of credit derivatives or oil futures or mortgage-backed CDOs, the new game in town, the next bubble, is in carbon credits — a booming trillion- dollar market that barely even exists yet, but will if the Democratic Party that it gave $4,452,585 to in the last election manages to push into existence a groundbreaking new commodities bubble, disguised as an "environmental plan," called cap-and-trade. The new carbon-credit market is a virtual repeat of the commodities-market casino that's been kind to Goldman, except it has one delicious new wrinkle: If the plan goes forward as expected, the rise in prices will be government-mandated. Goldman won't even have to rig the game. It will be rigged in advance."

Yes that's right, carbon credits are the next bubble economy that Goldman Sachs will profit on immensely. At the direct expense of every American. It's gas price gouging gone federal.

I mean, sure, Goldman Sachs is on a par with both political partisans and Beelzebub.

But the democrats are on that same plane, and Obama ain't much better.

He could be if he only had a spine. But when it comes to advancing single payer or doing anything he promised he would do he just proves once again that democrats are spineless.

I wish Obama had kept half his promises. I would have loved to really respect his presidency.

But he left me once he won the election. He's as typically useless as all politicians are today. Which places him on par with fresh dogshit stuck between the lugs on your boots and you just seated yourself in the truck.

Seriously left wing partisans, I wish Obama would have been half of what he said he would be, change and all that. But reality is that dems are every bit as destructive to America as the repubs have been.

And that's quite a statement!
 
In the last Presidential election, this country overwhelmingly voted to put Obama into the Whitehouse. However, there were a group of people, who were discerning enough, to see through the haze of fancy words, campaign promises and therefore subsequently voted again him.

Now as it turned out, it appears as if we were right. Obama poll numbers have been sinking faster than The Titanic. His stimulus plan was poorly executed. And he is having trouble selling his healthcare plan. There is growing discontentment with the Obama administration, even within his own party.

Is this starting to be a case of, "I told you so"?

1) ALL partisans are witting or unwitting agents working toward the destruction of the nation. All of them deserve tarring and feathering, none of them deserve reprieve.

2) Obama received nearly a $million from Goldman Sachs in campaign contributions. His largest donor. Yet still a small fraction of what Goldman's elite bonusees received.

3) Goldman Sachs received special attention from this and the previous admin in two very important ways: First the "save the banks first" approach to the econ crisis did indeed save the banks that were "too big (as donors) to fail". But those banks didn't resume commercial lending, they re embarked into even more speculative investing, which is what caused the financial crisis. While the real goods and services economy burned and is still burning.

And the democratic congress ( who received an additional $4.45 million from Goldman Sachs) coupled with Obama, assisted Goldman Sachs in inflating the next bubble in the economy:

Inside The Great American Bubble Machine : Rolling Stone

"Fast-forward to today. It's early June in Washington, D.C. Barack Obama, a popular young politician whose leading private campaign donor was an investment bank called Goldman Sachs — its employees paid some $981,000 to his campaign — sits in the White House. Having seamlessly navigated the political minefield of the bailout era, Goldman is once again back to its old business, scouting out loopholes in a new government-created market with the aid of a new set of alumni occupying key government jobs.

Gone are Hank Paulson and Neel Kashkari; in their place are Treasury chief of staff Mark Patterson and CFTC chief Gary Gensler, both former Goldmanites. (Gensler was the firm's co-head of finance.) And instead of credit derivatives or oil futures or mortgage-backed CDOs, the new game in town, the next bubble, is in carbon credits — a booming trillion- dollar market that barely even exists yet, but will if the Democratic Party that it gave $4,452,585 to in the last election manages to push into existence a groundbreaking new commodities bubble, disguised as an "environmental plan," called cap-and-trade. The new carbon-credit market is a virtual repeat of the commodities-market casino that's been kind to Goldman, except it has one delicious new wrinkle: If the plan goes forward as expected, the rise in prices will be government-mandated. Goldman won't even have to rig the game. It will be rigged in advance."

Yes that's right, carbon credits are the next bubble economy that Goldman Sachs will profit on immensely. At the direct expense of every American. It's gas price gouging gone federal.

I mean, sure, Goldman Sachs is on a par with both political partisans and Beelzebub.

But the democrats are on that same plane, and Obama ain't much better.

He could be if he only had a spine. But when it comes to advancing single payer or doing anything he promised he would do he just proves once again that democrats are spineless.

I wish Obama had kept half his promises. I would have loved to really respect his presidency.

But he left me once he won the election. He's as typically useless as all politicians are today. Which places him on par with fresh dogshit stuck between the lugs on your boots and you just seated yourself in the truck.

Seriously left wing partisans, I wish Obama would have been half of what he said he would be, change and all that. But reality is that dems are every bit as destructive to America as the repubs have been.

And that's quite a statement!

You know what? All of Obama's lies are coming out in the wash. I gotta give it to him, he has an amazing ability to hoodwinked so many people.

But the downside of that is, people become angry when they are taken advantage of and often retaliate. The way that people are starting to feel about him, he should relish his days in the Oval Office now, because he ain't going back in there, after 2012.
 
You know what? All of Obama's lies are coming out in the wash. I gotta give it to him, he has an amazing ability to hoodwinked so many people.

But the downside of that is, people become angry when they are taken advantage of and often retaliate. The way that people are starting to feel about him, he should relish his days in the Oval Office now, because he ain't going back in there, after 2012.

Ironically, algore Plays on People's Fears...

:)

peace...
 
You know what? All of Obama's lies are coming out in the wash. I gotta give it to him, he has an amazing ability to hoodwinked so many people.

But the downside of that is, people become angry when they are taken advantage of and often retaliate. The way that people are starting to feel about him, he should relish his days in the Oval Office now, because he ain't going back in there, after 2012.

If you voted for Bush twice, then you should be used to being hoodwinked by now.

That aside, what has Obama lied about?

Maybe there'll be a great candidate from the GoP by 2012. There's nothing they've put up since pre-Watergate Nixon that has even come close. Why start now.

The GoP has been hemorrhaging since The Chimp was in office. If you want to lay blame at the mess you are in now, look at him and Raygun....


HAPPY
 
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You know what? All of Obama's lies are coming out in the wash. I gotta give it to him, he has an amazing ability to hoodwinked so many people.

But the downside of that is, people become angry when they are taken advantage of and often retaliate. The way that people are starting to feel about him, he should relish his days in the Oval Office now, because he ain't going back in there, after 2012.

If you voted for Bush twice, then you should be used to being hoodwinked by now.

That aside, what has Obama lied about?

Maybe there'll be a great candidate from the GoP by 2012. There's nothing they've put up since pre-Watergate Nixon that has even come close. Why start now.

The GoP has been hemorrhaging since The Chimp was in office. If you want to lay blame at the mess you are in now, look at him and Raygun....


HAPPY

THESE ARE SOME OF THE LIES THAT OBAMA TOLD

Obama promised that after the stimulus check was signed, he will create 3-4 million jobs by 2010. He made that announcement when he was pedaling his stimulus idea.. 2010 is in few months from now and the job market has been hemorrhaging.

He promised that he will keep unemployment under 8% it is at a dismal 10%. So you see, he lied. Not me.
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WE ARE SCREWED!
 
The fact is that Obama seems to be making Carter look as great a president as Lincoln! ....The fact is that he was a junior Senator with just over 140+ days of experience before he began running for the White House full time. Too inexperience for taking on the economy, much less all these other programs he's tring top cram through at once. The fact is...despite his growing unpopularity, he will most likely get re-elected...he has the unions and 98% of the black and 77% of Latinos and the die hard Lefties that will vote for him again despite his STUPID governing and destruction of this country. Stupid and nieve governing..case in point signing the closing of Gitmo third day in office...never even gave a thought as to what to do with all those terroists...yeah I call them terrorists and combantants.
 
The fact is that Obama seems to be making Carter look as great a president as Lincoln! ....The fact is that he was a junior Senator with just over 140+ days of experience before he began running for the White House full time. Too inexperience for taking on the economy, much less all these other programs he's tring top cram through at once. The fact is...despite his growing unpopularity, he will most likely get re-elected...he has the unions and 98% of the black and 77% of Latinos and the die hard Lefties that will vote for him again despite his STUPID governing and destruction of this country. Stupid and nieve governing..case in point signing the closing of Gitmo third day in office...never even gave a thought as to what to do with all those terroists...yeah I call them terrorists and combantants.

Stupid? Try sly like a fox.
 
You know what? All of Obama's lies are coming out in the wash. I gotta give it to him, he has an amazing ability to hoodwinked so many people.

But the downside of that is, people become angry when they are taken advantage of and often retaliate. The way that people are starting to feel about him, he should relish his days in the Oval Office now, because he ain't going back in there, after 2012.

If you voted for Bush twice, then you should be used to being hoodwinked by now.

That aside, what has Obama lied about?

Maybe there'll be a great candidate from the GoP by 2012. There's nothing they've put up since pre-Watergate Nixon that has even come close. Why start now.

The GoP has been hemorrhaging since The Chimp was in office. If you want to lay blame at the mess you are in now, look at him and Raygun....


HAPPY


The dems are starting to hemmorage the independents from their party, Grump. The Blue Dog dems are starting to wake up to the spending. It will be the democrats that won't let the healthcare bill pass in it's current form. Just sayin...
 
Meanwhile, does anyone know if the stimulus money has been printed and delivered by the Federal Reserve? If so, we are making interest payments on a whole lot of useless green paper.
 
I thought I was the only one who noticed his hair...lol. :lol: Poor Guy.

I haven't made up my mind about him yet, however, I will say that it does (to some degree) seem like he's in over his head. Even many government officials feel like he's trying to tackle too much at once.

Exactly my point, Bush and Clinton both came in with reasonably brown hair. Now look at them. :lol:

Well the thing is Brian, he has to tackle it all at once. I mean there is so much now that Presidents have to deal with that they didn't 40+ years ago. The job is always evolving but the fact he hasn't had a heart attack is a testament alone. Can you imagine having his job? Scary stuff :eek:


You may have a point, however, I think that the President doesn't have to tackle everything at once. He's got 4 years-and potentially 8 years to get things done. I think this approval rating bull crap has evolved the President's job into doing everything at once. (In essence, attempting to please everyone at once). Personally, I would rather everything get done correctly and take longer, than for everything to be "quick-fixed" and done "half-right."
In my experience, trying to do too many things at once results in everything being done, but everything was half-assed...lol. This may be a stretch, but I believe many Democrats and liberals have unfairly paralleled him to, and almost identified him as, the next Franklin Roosevelt type president. FDR accomplished many things while in office, however, people forget that FDR didn't accomplish everything in his first term. As far as the economy, it's as if people want the result from FDR's presidency, but want Obama to accomplish it "lickity-split"

I understand the difficulties of his job, ESPECIALLY because of everyone's expectations of him. He came into office with a WHOLE LOT of hype and expectation. It really makes me wonder who's more at fault...the people, the media, or the government.....??
 
Robt., Soaring was spot on with the spirit of his post. There was nothing racial from the prior post. The left seems to use it as a deflection when people bring up that Obama is half Black. It was used by the democrats a lot during the campaign....as a deflection to protect Obama, and cause a stir with the people less educated in politics.
You stated Obama isn't a socialist, but what do you call someone who wants to redistribute the wealth in America? It sure isn't capitalism. But, call Obama whatever you want, he is what he is.
If things are "fucked up" since 1980....not 1976 under Carter, I see....but 1980 both parties are to blame not just the republicans. There is enough blame to go around for everyone that is in politics.

Seriously? When he says Obama just wants to get healthcare for the black people too lazy to work, that's not racist? Oh, and the term wetback isn't racist either? :cuckoo:

Redistribute the wealth, are you really harking on that term? Obama isn't even a Liberal, what don't you get about that?

Well lets see, was Carter a Republican? Maybe that's why I said 1980 and Republican in the same sentence. Since 1980, for only 8 years (excellent economic years by the way) did we have a Democratic President who wasn't even that Liberal.

I certainly agree there is more then enough blame to go around for both of the major parties today however.


It is definitely poltiically incorrect language, but I refuse to assign political incorrectness as the same thing as racism/sexism/etc. You might say I am prejudiced against speech police or arbitrarily forbidden terminology.

My definition of racism is that which denigrates people because of their race or assigning them to inferior status or prejudicial assumptions based on their race.

In the 40's and 50's, "wetback" was commonly used in US newspapers to designate those who swam or waded the Rio Grande to enter the USA illegally. I don't use the term as it only stirs up hard feelings, but at face value it is not a racist term any more than jaywalker or bank robber are racist terms. It might be incorrect to assume that a black person or an organization focuses on benefitting a certain target group, but it is not racist to make such an observation.

But honest assessment of ANY President's tenure will show some good points and bad points. Clinton can't claim any good points until he got a Republican Congress in 1994 and from then on he was pretty darn successful. Reagan was pretty darn successful with mostly a Democratic Congress. President George H.W. Bush was successful until he yielded to a stupid Congressional initiative that triggered a recession and cost him the next election. George W. Bush pulled some really stupid and unconservative stuff, but you can't honestly take away from him the positive things that his tenure yielded.

Intellectual honesty looks at the whole picture and not just that which promotes a prejudicial or partisan point of view.

If this offends you, it is not intended to. But I think you may have "racism" confused with "stereotyping."

I've posted this before, but racism is when you hate an entire race of people no matter what.
 
If this offends you, it is not intended to. But I think you may have "racism" confused with "stereotyping."

I've posted this before, but racism is when you hate an entire race of people no matter what.

I'm not the least bit offended. I figure anything I post on a message board is subject to challenge, and if I don't think I can defend it, I jolly well better not post it. :eusa_angel:

I agree that 'hating an entire race of people no matter what' is one definition of racism. But I don't think 'hate' is always a component. I also think it is racism when any racist/ethnic group is considered inferior or less capable or less able or more prone to do something. Some of the most racist people in the country are those who presume that a certain group has to have 'Whitey's' help or government help or some advocacy group's help because they are otherwise incapable of solving their problems.

The term 'wetback', however, is not in itself racist any more than Mexican National or "illegal" or 'transient worker' is racist. It is not any more racist than designating a certain group as Irish immigrants or Italian Mafia or Chinese cooks. People are what they are and it isn't racist to observe what they are. "Wetback", like many other words, has become a perjorative term in many/most circles, but when it is used simply to describe a certain group of people and has no other connotation than that, it is not racist.

To say that President Obama wants to help lazy black people is in itself not a racist statement if it is true or believed to be true. It would be racist to assume that the President would want that because he was black or to assume that all black people are lazy.

Stereotyping I think is something entirely different any of this.

At least that's the way I look at it.
 
McCain and Palin lost the election, because Obama made promises that he did and could not keep. His soaring rhetoric got him elected. Definitely, not his ability to govern.

At least McCain would have been honest and not promised the farm, when all he could have delivered was one tree.

Therefore, during this past election, I ended up putting my money on the honest guy.

He's not even eight months into his term, again, are you going to judge things not even 1/4 done? We haven't gotten a terrorist attack and he hasn't surrendered this country to the terrorists as many of those on the right (maybe you included) said he would. Obama has gotten a good amount of his promises done so far considering the economical climate.

By the way, McCain/Palin may of had been able to deliver one tree but they would of ended up burning down the forest. :eusa_eh:

eight months in and spent more than any other human on the planet in all of history
 
McCain and Palin lost the election, because Obama made promises that he did and could not keep. His soaring rhetoric got him elected. Definitely, not his ability to govern.

At least McCain would have been honest and not promised the farm, when all he could have delivered was one tree.

Therefore, during this past election, I ended up putting my money on the honest guy.

He's not even eight months into his term, again, are you going to judge things not even 1/4 done? We haven't gotten a terrorist attack and he hasn't surrendered this country to the terrorists as many of those on the right (maybe you included) said he would. Obama has gotten a good amount of his promises done so far considering the economical climate.

By the way, McCain/Palin may of had been able to deliver one tree but they would of ended up burning down the forest. :eusa_eh:

eight months in and spent more than any other human on the planet in all of history

he's like that energizer bunny innhe? :lol: still going!
 

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