Catholic bombshell?

[Mudda]

Like for priest pedophilia?

You are a hammer looking for a nail. When I have more time, I'll explain the problem the Church had.

So how's that theory of yours about the probability of aliens existing in the universe coming along? Come to grips with it yet?

If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to keep creating these straw-men.

And if you had a more meaningful life, you wouldn't need to try to make yourself feel better. Which BTW, we both know has had the opposite effect on your ego. I wonder who you have been taking out your defeats on. Probably someone close to you I suspect.

Please criticize the argument and not the person making it.

You respond to trolls your way, and I'll respond to them my way. Fair enough?

When you have no proper argument, attack the poster. It's what lamers do.

 

[Mudda]

Thanks Meriweather; then I wonder why the Pope did not just respond to the Cardinals by saying "my advice to the Argentines only applied to this single person and case; therefore the doctrine remains unsullied."

So what will (or might) happen if the Pope does not respond again? If the Cardinals' public letter is out there, then might not anyone comment or respond? Evidently what they did is extremely rare, but they did it formally and properly, so I wonder what will follow.

Maybe its our version of don't ask don't tell.

Like for priest pedophilia?

In the 1950's homosexuals were ostracized by society. Many fled to the The Church as a safe haven and became priests. Of the ~4700 priests who were identified by the John Jay Report, only about 200 were pedophiles. These were the ones who were predatory and fit the textbook definition of a pedophile. These were the ones who serially victimized young children. These were the ones who were convicted and imprisoned. The vast majority of the rest were homosexuals who made advances to teenage males. This occurred primarily from the 1960's to the 1980's and mirrored the free love movement of society. Now you know.

So you're trying to say that pedophile priests don't exist anymore? And that there weren't ANY before 1950?

 

[Mudda]

Like for priest pedophilia?

You are a hammer looking for a nail. When I have more time, I'll explain the problem the Church had.

So how's that theory of yours about the probability of aliens existing in the universe coming along? Come to grips with it yet?

If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to keep creating these straw-men.

And if you had a more meaningful life, you wouldn't need to try to make yourself feel better. Which BTW, we both know has had the opposite effect on your ego. I wonder who you have been taking out your defeats on. Probably someone close to you I suspect.

So, was it pre-ordained from the beginning of the Big Bang that intelligent beings would populate the universe like you claimed, or not? Time to make up your mind... If you can.

"In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of in and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning." Leon Lederman, American experimental physicist and Nobel Laureate

And since we live in a universe where the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions, beings that know and create were pre-ordained to exist the moment that space and time came into existence. Yes.

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

 

[Mudda]

So god is sitting around waiting for people to shack up so he can burn them? But he lets pedophile priests simply move to another parish to make some fresh victims? Kinda weird, no?

We first need to come to terms with God and who He is. God is all loving and good. He is just, which we can take as His commitment that He will right wrongs done to us. He is merciful, which we can take as He will be merciful to us as He also delivers justice to those we have wronged.

Is shacking up the ideal form of love or the ideal good? If it is not, then justice and mercy come into play.

As far as your comment on pedophile priests....you need to move forward several decades. You are living in the past.

If god is all loving and good, why did he invent cancer... or deformed babies?

You are making a logical fallacy argument. No wonder you don't believe in God.

So what my "logical fallacy"?

 

[ding]

Like for priest pedophilia?

You are a hammer looking for a nail. When I have more time, I'll explain the problem the Church had.

So how's that theory of yours about the probability of aliens existing in the universe coming along? Come to grips with it yet?

If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to keep creating these straw-men.

And if you had a more meaningful life, you wouldn't need to try to make yourself feel better. Which BTW, we both know has had the opposite effect on your ego. I wonder who you have been taking out your defeats on. Probably someone close to you I suspect.

So, was it pre-ordained from the beginning of the Big Bang that intelligent beings would populate the universe like you claimed, or not? Time to make up your mind... If you can.

"In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of in and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning." Leon Lederman, American experimental physicist and Nobel Laureate

And since we live in a universe where the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions, beings that know and create were pre-ordained to exist the moment that space and time came into existence. Yes.

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

 

[ding]

So god is sitting around waiting for people to shack up so he can burn them? But he lets pedophile priests simply move to another parish to make some fresh victims? Kinda weird, no?

We first need to come to terms with God and who He is. God is all loving and good. He is just, which we can take as His commitment that He will right wrongs done to us. He is merciful, which we can take as He will be merciful to us as He also delivers justice to those we have wronged.

Is shacking up the ideal form of love or the ideal good? If it is not, then justice and mercy come into play.

As far as your comment on pedophile priests....you need to move forward several decades. You are living in the past.

If god is all loving and good, why did he invent cancer... or deformed babies?

You are making a logical fallacy argument. No wonder you don't believe in God.

So what my "logical fallacy"?

Your logical fallacy is that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

 

[Mudda]

Like for priest pedophilia?

You are a hammer looking for a nail. When I have more time, I'll explain the problem the Church had.

So how's that theory of yours about the probability of aliens existing in the universe coming along? Come to grips with it yet?

If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to keep creating these straw-men.

And if you had a more meaningful life, you wouldn't need to try to make yourself feel better. Which BTW, we both know has had the opposite effect on your ego. I wonder who you have been taking out your defeats on. Probably someone close to you I suspect.

So, was it pre-ordained from the beginning of the Big Bang that intelligent beings would populate the universe like you claimed, or not? Time to make up your mind... If you can.

"In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of in and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning." Leon Lederman, American experimental physicist and Nobel Laureate

And since we live in a universe where the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions, beings that know and create were pre-ordained to exist the moment that space and time came into existence. Yes.

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

 

[ding]

Like for priest pedophilia?

You are a hammer looking for a nail. When I have more time, I'll explain the problem the Church had.

So how's that theory of yours about the probability of aliens existing in the universe coming along? Come to grips with it yet?

If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to keep creating these straw-men.

And if you had a more meaningful life, you wouldn't need to try to make yourself feel better. Which BTW, we both know has had the opposite effect on your ego. I wonder who you have been taking out your defeats on. Probably someone close to you I suspect.

Please criticize the argument and not the person making it.

You respond to trolls your way, and I'll respond to them my way. Fair enough?

When you have no proper argument, attack the poster. It's what lamers do.

No. I have been smoking you with arguments. Now I am shining a light on your motivations. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

 

[Mudda]

So god is sitting around waiting for people to shack up so he can burn them? But he lets pedophile priests simply move to another parish to make some fresh victims? Kinda weird, no?

We first need to come to terms with God and who He is. God is all loving and good. He is just, which we can take as His commitment that He will right wrongs done to us. He is merciful, which we can take as He will be merciful to us as He also delivers justice to those we have wronged.

Is shacking up the ideal form of love or the ideal good? If it is not, then justice and mercy come into play.

As far as your comment on pedophile priests....you need to move forward several decades. You are living in the past.

If god is all loving and good, why did he invent cancer... or deformed babies?

You are making a logical fallacy argument. No wonder you don't believe in God.

So what my "logical fallacy"?

Your logical fallacy is that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

No, I'm saying that according to religion, god created everything in the universe. So then the logical question is, why did god create deformed babies...?

 

[ding]

You are a hammer looking for a nail. When I have more time, I'll explain the problem the Church had.

If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to keep creating these straw-men.

And if you had a more meaningful life, you wouldn't need to try to make yourself feel better. Which BTW, we both know has had the opposite effect on your ego. I wonder who you have been taking out your defeats on. Probably someone close to you I suspect.

So, was it pre-ordained from the beginning of the Big Bang that intelligent beings would populate the universe like you claimed, or not? Time to make up your mind... If you can.

"In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of in and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning." Leon Lederman, American experimental physicist and Nobel Laureate

And since we live in a universe where the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions, beings that know and create were pre-ordained to exist the moment that space and time came into existence. Yes.

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

 

[ding]

We first need to come to terms with God and who He is. God is all loving and good. He is just, which we can take as His commitment that He will right wrongs done to us. He is merciful, which we can take as He will be merciful to us as He also delivers justice to those we have wronged.

Is shacking up the ideal form of love or the ideal good? If it is not, then justice and mercy come into play.

As far as your comment on pedophile priests....you need to move forward several decades. You are living in the past.

If god is all loving and good, why did he invent cancer... or deformed babies?

You are making a logical fallacy argument. No wonder you don't believe in God.

So what my "logical fallacy"?

Your logical fallacy is that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

No, I'm saying that according to religion, god created everything in the universe. So then the logical question is, why did god create deformed babies...?

You don't believe in God. Therefore, what I wrote is correct. You are making a logical fallacy argument that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

 

[Mudda]

Like for priest pedophilia?

You are a hammer looking for a nail. When I have more time, I'll explain the problem the Church had.

So how's that theory of yours about the probability of aliens existing in the universe coming along? Come to grips with it yet?

If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to keep creating these straw-men.

And if you had a more meaningful life, you wouldn't need to try to make yourself feel better. Which BTW, we both know has had the opposite effect on your ego. I wonder who you have been taking out your defeats on. Probably someone close to you I suspect.

Please criticize the argument and not the person making it.

You respond to trolls your way, and I'll respond to them my way. Fair enough?

When you have no proper argument, attack the poster. It's what lamers do.

No. I have been smoking you with arguments. Now I am shining a light on your motivations. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

We know, we know, you've said that about 100 times so far. And repeating it won't make it any less ludicrous. It makes me wonder about your sanity.

 

[ding]

Of course the only type of marriage in the time of Joshua Ben Joseph was between a man and a woman. There was no need to comment on same sex marriage therefore. He was considering divorce in the text quoted in which there is no mention of same sex marriage since it did not exist.

Can you show us where Jesus advocated that people create same sex sexual unions?

Nature is full of same sex unions, all created by god. NEXT!

Now you are trying to make an argument of exception. That is what is called a fringe argument. Fringe arguments are arguments which try to define the rule by exception. Yes, homosexuality is part of nature. No, homosexuality is not the norm. Homosexuality is the exception.

 

[Mudda]

So, was it pre-ordained from the beginning of the Big Bang that intelligent beings would populate the universe like you claimed, or not? Time to make up your mind... If you can.

"In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of in and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning." Leon Lederman, American experimental physicist and Nobel Laureate

And since we live in a universe where the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions, beings that know and create were pre-ordained to exist the moment that space and time came into existence. Yes.

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

 

[Mudda]

If god is all loving and good, why did he invent cancer... or deformed babies?

You are making a logical fallacy argument. No wonder you don't believe in God.

So what my "logical fallacy"?

Your logical fallacy is that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

No, I'm saying that according to religion, god created everything in the universe. So then the logical question is, why did god create deformed babies...?

You don't believe in God. Therefore, what I wrote is correct. You are making a logical fallacy argument that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

Okay, more deflecting when the question gets too hard for you. You're not very good at this.

 

[ding]

You are a hammer looking for a nail. When I have more time, I'll explain the problem the Church had.

If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to keep creating these straw-men.

And if you had a more meaningful life, you wouldn't need to try to make yourself feel better. Which BTW, we both know has had the opposite effect on your ego. I wonder who you have been taking out your defeats on. Probably someone close to you I suspect.

Please criticize the argument and not the person making it.

You respond to trolls your way, and I'll respond to them my way. Fair enough?

When you have no proper argument, attack the poster. It's what lamers do.

No. I have been smoking you with arguments. Now I am shining a light on your motivations. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

We know, we know, you've said that about 100 times so far. And repeating it won't make it any less ludicrous. It makes me wonder about your sanity.

Well... since you cannot disprove it, let me state it again so that everyone may know who and what they are dealing with. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

 

[ding]

You are making a logical fallacy argument. No wonder you don't believe in God.

So what my "logical fallacy"?

Your logical fallacy is that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

No, I'm saying that according to religion, god created everything in the universe. So then the logical question is, why did god create deformed babies...?

You don't believe in God. Therefore, what I wrote is correct. You are making a logical fallacy argument that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

Okay, more deflecting when the question gets too hard for you. You're not very good at this.

No. I am excellent at this. You are trying to make a logical fallacy argument that unless everything is perfect God cannot exist. Please show me where you got the basis for this belief from my faith?

 

[Mudda]

Of course the only type of marriage in the time of Joshua Ben Joseph was between a man and a woman. There was no need to comment on same sex marriage therefore. He was considering divorce in the text quoted in which there is no mention of same sex marriage since it did not exist.

Can you show us where Jesus advocated that people create same sex sexual unions?

Nature is full of same sex unions, all created by god. NEXT!

Now you are trying to make an argument of exception. That is what is called a fringe argument. Fringe arguments are arguments which try to define the rule by exception. Yes, homosexuality is part of nature. No, homosexuality is not the norm. Homosexuality is the exception.

Not my point, try responding to my actual point, which is that your god created homosexuality.

 

[ding]

"In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of in and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning." Leon Lederman, American experimental physicist and Nobel Laureate

And since we live in a universe where the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions, beings that know and create were pre-ordained to exist the moment that space and time came into existence. Yes.

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

What extra terrestrials? Do you have some proof I am unaware of?

 

[ding]

Of course the only type of marriage in the time of Joshua Ben Joseph was between a man and a woman. There was no need to comment on same sex marriage therefore. He was considering divorce in the text quoted in which there is no mention of same sex marriage since it did not exist.

Can you show us where Jesus advocated that people create same sex sexual unions?

Nature is full of same sex unions, all created by god. NEXT!

Now you are trying to make an argument of exception. That is what is called a fringe argument. Fringe arguments are arguments which try to define the rule by exception. Yes, homosexuality is part of nature. No, homosexuality is not the norm. Homosexuality is the exception.

Not my point, try responding to my actual point, which is that your god created homosexuality.

Yes, they are a part of nature. Even Jesus says that some, probably not you, were created naturally. So what?