Can you simultaneously colonize your neighbors and still claim you want peace?

[abi]

That is how you would respond to colonization?

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When the Native Americans resisted, they were fighting for their world, but when the Palestinians resist, they are simply terrorists, right?

 

[fncceo]

That is how you would respond to colonization?

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When the Native Americans resisted, they were fighting for their world, but when the Palestinians resist, they are simply terrorists, right?

The natives of Israel are the Jews. Not Johnny-Come-Lately Arabs. The Arabs are the colonisers.

 

[abi]

The natives of Israel are the Jews. Not Johnny-Come-Lately Arabs. The Arabs are the colonisers.

That is a zionist talking point, it is propaganda. The Muslims made up over 85% of Palestine (conservatively) when the zionists arrived. There was a smaller percentage of Christians and even less Jews.

 

[Shusha]

How can you tell those four particular places are colonies, abi? What makes them colonies? What's the criteria?

col·o·ny
ˈkälənē/
noun
plural noun: colonies

1. a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country.
   synonyms: settlement, dependency, protectorate, satellite, territory, outpost, province
   
2. a group of people of one nationality or ethnic group living in a foreign city or country.
   I have trouble believing that an expert like you does not even know the most basic definitions of these topics.

Excellent. Thank you for providing those definitions.

Since neither of those definitions apply to the Israeli/Arab conflict, your entire premise is invalid.

 

[fncceo]

The natives of Israel are the Jews. Not Johnny-Come-Lately Arabs. The Arabs are the colonisers.

That is a zionist talking point, it is propaganda. The Muslims made up over 85% of Palestine (conservatively) when the zionists arrived. There was a smaller percentage of Christians and even less Jews.

Native Americans make up just over 1% of the US population. That doesn’t change the fact that they’re indigenous and you’re living in their land.

Jews have been in Israel for thousands of years and have seen waves of conquers come and go. Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Roman, Byzantines, Turks, Arabs, Franks, Ottomans, and British.

They’ve all been kicked out, and the Jews remain.

 

[abi]

Excellent. Thank you for providing those definitions.

Since neither of those definitions apply to the Israeli/Arab conflict, your entire premise is invalid.

You're an odd bird. They describe the racial colonies (settlements) exactly. You can go on and on with your word games and feigning ignorance, but people are losing their homes. This is sadly happening in the name of the Jewish people which stinks because the Jewish people are not demolishing homes and building racial colonies, the zionists are doing this.

 

[abi]

They’ve all been kicked out, and the Jews remain.

No, the zionists came from a totally different continent. Look it up f you don't believe me.

 

[abi]

Native Americans make up just over 1% of the US population. That doesn’t change the fact that they’re indigenous and you’re living in their land.

Obviously and this certainly does not justify this madness today.

 

[Shusha]

They describe the racial colonies (settlements) exactly.

No, they do not. The definitions you provided require two sovereign nations, with the citizens of one encroaching on the other. This does not apply to the Arab/Israeli conflict.

In the Arab/Israeli conflict there is only one nation and two peoples claiming self-determination. The border where one's sovereignty begins and one's ends is yet to be negotiated and agreed upon formally in treaty.

Thus the existence of one people in the other's territory as being wrong or illegal is a false premise.

However, if you want to play that game, why are you not demanding all Arabs be removed from the territory which belongs to Israel. Double standard?

 

[abi]

They describe the racial colonies (settlements) exactly.

No, they do not. The definitions you provided require two sovereign nations, with the citizens of one encroaching on the other. This does not apply to the Arab/Israeli conflict.

In the Arab/Israeli conflict there is only one nation and two peoples claiming self-determination. The border where one's sovereignty begins and one's ends is yet to be negotiated and agreed upon formally in treaty.

Thus the existence of one people in the other's territory as being wrong or illegal is a false premise.

However, if you want to play that game, why are you not demanding all Arabs be removed from the territory which belongs to Israel. Double standard?

But, by a vote of 14-0, with the US abstaining, the world declared that these colonies were flagrant violations of international law. In other words, the whole world outside of zionism. You can go on and on with your word games and feigning ignorance, but people are losing their homes. This is sadly happening in the name of the Jewish people which stinks because the Jewish people are not demolishing homes and building racial colonies, the zionists are doing this.

 

[fncceo]

Native Americans make up just over 1% of the US population. That doesn’t change the fact that they’re indigenous and you’re living in their land.

Obviously and this certainly does not justify this madness today.

Clean up your own house before you criticise others.

You’re living on land you stole after massacring the native population.

You’re in no position to high road the indigenous Jews of Israel.

 

[fncceo]

with the US obtaining

What did the US obtain?

 

[abi]

Clean up your own house before you criticise others.

You’re living on land you stole after massacring the native population.

You’re in no position to high road the indigenous Jews of Israel.

This is the craziest, maybe, of all the zionist arguments. Look, these people are barbaric (centuries ago), why can't we be too (today)?

 

[fncceo]

Clean up your own house before you criticise others.

You’re living on land you stole after massacring the native population.

You’re in no position to high road the indigenous Jews of Israel.

This is the craziest, maybe, of all the zionist arguments. Look, these people are barbaric (centuries ago), why can't we be too (today)?

You’re living in land you stole accusing indigenous Jews of stealing their own land.

That is weapons-grade hypocrisy.

 

[abi]

You’re living in land you stole accusing indigenous Jews of stealing their own land.

That is weapons-grade hypocrisy.

I am not, I am living on land stolen centuries ago and accusing zionists from another continent entirely of stealing land in Palestine.

 

[fncceo]

You’re living in land you stole accusing indigenous Jews of stealing their own land.

That is weapons-grade hypocrisy.

I am not, I am living on land stolen centuries ago and accusing zionists from another continent entirely of stealing land in Palestine.

Then you deluded yourself on all your points.

Your hatred of Jews has caused you to deny your own History as well of the history of the Jews.

The good part is, the days of the Jew haters is over. You’re no longer running countries or making decisions. You’ve been banished to being anonymous whinging bigots, hiding behind a keyboard.

 

[abi]

Then you deluded yourself on all your points.

Your hatred of Jews has caused you to deny your own History as well of the history of the Jews.

The good part is, the days of the Jew haters is over. You’re no longer running countries or making decisions. You’ve been banished to being anonymous whinging bigots, hiding behind a keyboard.

This has nothing to do with Jew hating which is code apparently for "a zionist has just lost an argument."

It is about the zionists from another continent entirely, stealing other's land in Palestine.

 

[Hollie]

Then you deluded yourself on all your points.

Your hatred of Jews has caused you to deny your own History as well of the history of the Jews.

The good part is, the days of the Jew haters is over. You’re no longer running countries or making decisions. You’ve been banished to being anonymous whinging bigots, hiding behind a keyboard.

This has nothing to do with Jew hating which is code apparently for "a zionist has just lost an argument."

It is about the zionists from another continent entirely, stealing other's land in Palestine.

Now, now, Louie. You’re rattling on with the same silly “stolen land” claim. That has been refuted. Your tirades are pointless.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Despite the legal ramifications of settlement-building, of which Shusha knows more about, appearances also count. It doesn't show good faith in negotiations and appears disingenuous. It's true that there's no reason for the West Bank to be Judenrein, but it also eats away at a future Palestinian state.

Like 20 % muslims do in the current Israeli state? Like that?

It's a very complex situation. Would the residents of Ariel or Ma'alei Adumim, on the West Bank, want to become citizens of a future Palestine the way the Arab/ Muslim residents of the Galilee are citizens of Israel?

Recently, I saw an interview on Youtube with David Wilder, one of the leaders of Hebron on the West Bank, where the Tomb of the Jewish Patriarchs and Matriarchs, are buried. The interviewer asked him, "Would you like to become a citizen of Palestine one day?" He answered, "Do you think I made Aliyah (immigrated to Israel) from America to become a Palestinian citizen? Of course not! I came here to be a citizen of Eretz Yisroel (the Land of Israel)."

 

[abi]

Despite the legal ramifications of settlement-building, of which Shusha knows more about, appearances also count. It doesn't show good faith in negotiations and appears disingenuous. It's true that there's no reason for the West Bank to be Judenrein, but it also eats away at a future Palestinian state.

Like 20 % muslims do in the current Israeli state? Like that?

It's a very complex situation. Would the residents of Ariel or Ma'alei Adumim, on the West Bank, want to become citizens of a future Palestine the way the Arab/ Muslim residents of the Galilee are citizens of Israel?

Recently, I saw an interview on Youtube with David Wilder, one of the leaders of Hebron on the West Bank, where the Tomb of the Jewish Patriarchs and Matriarchs, are buried. The interviewer asked him, "Would you like to become a citizen of Palestine one day?" He answered, "Do you think I made Aliyah (immigrated to Israel) from America to become a Palestinian citizen? Of course not! I came here to be a citizen of Eretz Yisroel (the Land of Israel)."

Are you claiming you can simultaneously colonize your neighbors and still claim you want peace?