CAIR really cares about Islamofacism, Jihad and Sharia Law in the West

[auditor0007]

Again, this is not an "either / or" situation. WE AMERICANS don't have to choose EITHER your dogma junkie bullshit OR muslim dogma junkie bullshit. This is why the first amendment has been chaffing you people since day fucking one. Your opinions regarding which of us is stupid is about as convincing as your impotent rebuttals steeped in more childish tantrum than convincing facts or argument.

Indeed, under OUR system we all have to abide by the same laws that get mangled by you dogma junkie motherfuckers no less than any muslim nation. HELL, if you motherfuckers had your way you'd be JUST as saturated into our gov as they are. You know it. They know it. We all know it.

When people try to impose sharia law I'll fight them just as much as I fight your punk jesus loving asses. Again, we don't have to choose "either/or" here in the US. It's a logical fallacy to think as much. But, you are probably dumb enough to hide behind a false choice rather than facing your similarity to those you want to chastise so.. After all, THEIR "goals" truly are no different than yours. You just happen to be the western flavor of the same shit sandwich.

Europe thought the same thing; I guess they were wrong, but of course you are correct. Europe is so much different than us I suppose. In fact, they are much more secular than us, or are they? It's hard to be certain. I mean in the UK, the government funds religious schools, yet they are more secular than us. Less people in Europe go to church, as for Christians that is.

Maybe you're correct; maybe demographics will never change here in the US. Well, that's not likely either. Demographics have changed dramatically in just the last 50 years with Hispanics going from 2% of the population to over 15% and heading toward 30% very soon.

You can talk about fighing the "dogma junkies" all you want. You won't ever be forced into a real fight. None of us will. But in generations to come, that could well happen. We know it's going to happen in Europe. What is so concerning about those who are as ignorant as you is that you don't understand the difference between those who choose freedom of choice over authoritarian rule.

We may argue about government funding of certain religiously based programs, but we don't have an argument whether you should have the right to express ourself freely, worship freely or not worship at all, deny the most basic rights to women, and on and on and on. Yet you see Christians, Jews, Hindus, and anyone with a religious belief to be as dangerous to society as Muslims are.

Here's the way it is Shogun. Muslims are the only group who want to change our government to one that revolves around their religion. You say Christians would do the same, but that's a crock of shit, and you know it. You just have a bigger hatred for Christians than any other group for some illogical reason, because it certainly is not due to any kind of threat Christians pose to your way of thinking.

But keep telling us how big a threat we are to you Shogun. Maybe you can find a few more like you to warn about the great Christian conspiracy.

Does Europe have our same First Amendment that was written after the actual example of EUROPEAN THEOCRATIC RULERS became such a clusterfuck?

NO?

Then you've been served. Crying about muslims in Euro doesn't invalidate OUR constitution rights. Trying to threaten some apocalyptic "muslims are coming the MUSLIMS are coming!" bullshit is nothing less than hilarious.


RACE DEMOGRAPHICS DOESN'T ALWAYS CORRELATE TO RELIGIOUS DEMOGRAPHICS. For christs fucking sake..

And no, Muslims are NOT the only ones who want to change laws to fit their dogma junkie agenda. It's beyond fucking retarded to even suggest as much.. Go ask a gay couple in california all about who funded the removal of their marriage rights. It wasn't muslims.

And yes, you ARE as big of a threat to secular America as european muslims looking to impose sharia law are. We'll ALL see how true that is when Obama starts appointing Supreme Court justices..

How will I be a threat to America once Obama starts appointing Supreme Court Justices? How will any Christian be a threat? And we're as dangerous as Mulsims to America. Wow, you are nuts.

BTW, I really don't have anything against gay marriage. In time, gays will gain that right. It's really no biggie. But then I'm not the far out right wing Christian you may think I am. I'm just an average Christian that understands there are some real threats to not only the United States, but the entire world, and even if those threats never reach us, they will have a direct impact on us. And I'm not so completely blinded by a fanatical ideology as you are not to see it. Yes, your ideology is of the fanatical sort; more so than that of the Christian right.

You keep living in your idealistic society of no religion. We'll defend the country when the time comes, because your wimp ass will be the first to be hiding under the table when they come gunning for you. It's the same reason Europe almost certainly will fall to the Muslims in quick order. Because Europeans still haven't seen the threat yet. And when they finally do, they'll still be arguing over their rights rather than fighting the enemy. The enemy won't give a shit about their rights, so it won't be much of a battle.

But you continue to dazzle us with your stupid ass rants that amount to nothing. It should keep that ego of yours going for a long time to come. It's easy to impress yourself, I'm sure.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Are you fucking SERIOUS? YOU, christian, DONT OBSERVE THE OLD TESTEMENT LIKE JESUS TOLD YOU TO? YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE GREAT FLOOD, THE GARDEN OF EDEN, THE JEWISH EXODUS FROM EGYPT, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and so forth?




this is RICH!

actually Jesus said the old testament is just that OLD,nice little tales for those times........from his time forward you are supposed to follow the NT,and what he and his apostles jot down.....but of course the religious leaders of the day twisted it to reflect what they want....

Uh, do you want to provide the actual scripture to support that statement ?

Sho i was shown this line about 30 years ago sitting around with a so-called "Jesus freak" who showed us a paragraph, where Christ told one of the apostles,i dont even remember which one,that only the prophecies and certain other events,like what the prophets did, some of the laws, these were important, the rest is important ,but not that important,what happens from this point on, is what is important,thats what i got out of what he said,and remember 10 different people hearing scripture will have ten different views of it,most of those OT laws were kind of rewritten in the NT.....but i did see it,and NO i am not going to sit down and try to find it,sorry.....you will just have to take my word for it....if not i understand,i probably would not if it was reversed.....but then most bibles seem to be written differently anyway from each other...... you ever check out the Catholic bible as compared to the mormon book as to the king james version....little bit different each time.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Interesting analysis. A pity that he doesn't agree with you.

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

thats not what i said he said Agna,read my previous post.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

this i basically what i think he was saying.......

that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)......hence these are important OT writings....

 

[Shogun]

My, my, the language you learned at home.

So, it seems that every time I demand that you provide current examples of Christians and Jews cutting off heads, like the " beastial, vicious, savage, slaughtering inbred atavistic subhumans," you really- are you ready for this one?- lose your head.

Just admit it. Not true of Christians, Jews, civilized humans, but only of " beastial, vicious, savage, slaughtering inbred atavistic subhumans."

I'm glad to see that you learned your lesson about using the oversized multicolored pica. I guess you really thought that came across as yelling.

I guess you also believe that your choice of language is intimidating as well. Now, how could it be from a little, impotent, merdivorous sloth in pink panties?

So, get hold of a calendar, and remember the requirement is to find similar acts of depravity by non-Muslims sometime in this decade.

Or just go back to cursing, yelling , and jumping up and down. And try not to fall off the telephone book.

I'll go back to dominated your ass with evidence too. Notice how ONE OF US provides what scientists like to call PROOF while the other sits there and lets the hot air out of your pussy. I guess this is the kind of reason you people perpetuated the flat earth myth for so long, eh? Hell, if THEY reacted to evidence like YOU did in this thread it's really no wonder why you people were so afraid of Copernicus.

 

[Shogun]

How will I be a threat to America once Obama starts appointing Supreme Court Justices? How will any Christian be a threat? And we're as dangerous as Mulsims to America. Wow, you are nuts.

HOW? Are you kidding me? Do we need another abortion clinic bombed (because we KNOW what appointed justices will rule on THAT issue) or shall we just wait for your kind to start segregating our culture according to what YOU think is acceptable bedroom behaviour (because, again, we KNOW how Obama's appointmentS will rule on that one too) You dogma junkie motherfuckers are no less dangerous, socially, than any other religion affiliation hellbent on molding society in their image. I COULD post more examples of batshit crazy christians but i get the feeling that you have a blinder to that sort of thing so..


BTW, I really don't have anything against gay marriage. In time, gays will gain that right. It's really no biggie. But then I'm not the far out right wing Christian you may think I am. I'm just an average Christian that understands there are some real threats to not only the United States, but the entire world, and even if those threats never reach us, they will have a direct impact on us. And I'm not so completely blinded by a fanatical ideology as you are not to see it. Yes, your ideology is of the fanatical sort; more so than that of the Christian right.


yea, dude.. in time ******* will finally get off the good christian plantation too, right? It may be no bigie to you.. but then YOU re not the one being marginalized. Hell, if YOUR christian punk ass felt half the social bullshit that you apply to your sinning classes then you'd be screaming bloody fucking lion YEARS ago. Hell, Secular schools can't even be inclusive without you crybaby motherfuckers screaming about it every HOLIDAY SEASON.

HA! yea, dude.. refraining from applying wide scale stereotypes sure is MORE fanatical than your "us versus them" jesus fanaticism. You keep believing that.



You keep living in your idealistic society of no religion. We'll defend the country when the time comes, because your wimp ass will be the first to be hiding under the table when they come gunning for you. It's the same reason Europe almost certainly will fall to the Muslims in quick order. Because Europeans still haven't seen the threat yet. And when they finally do, they'll still be arguing over their rights rather than fighting the enemy. The enemy won't give a shit about their rights, so it won't be much of a battle.

Do you have evidence of this or shall I just chock this silliness up to CHRISTIAN FANATICISM? Hell, jesus boy... who WOULDNT jesus kill, right? Turn the other cheak? What was THAT silly fucker talking about, right? LOCK AND LOAD FOR JESUS!

Enemy.. You pharisee christians are a dime a dozen. I almost with your mythology were real so I cold hear you being told to depart because he doesn't know you. For a guy whose belief is SUPPOSED to focus on salvation not of this world you SURE DO put an awfully lot of emphasis on territory in Europe. I'll tell you what, pussy.. Why don't you take your bible thumping candy ass on over to Europe and do something about it rather than continue to get your bitch ass hand slapped away from the American cookie jar because of our first Amendment... What, does that not make your paranoid dogma fantasy worthwhile like some blood and guts and gore from muslims? It's fucking hilarious watching you silly pieces of shit cry about Muslims in europe... considering your blind support for jews in israel.



But you continue to dazzle us with your stupid ass rants that amount to nothing. It should keep that ego of yours going for a long time to come. It's easy to impress yourself, I'm sure.



hey, like I said above.. ONE OF US is providing evidence while the other is jacking off in the pages of the bible and crying foul with baseless accusations and paranoid delusions. I would tell you to seek medical help but, chances are, youd rather pray to a jewish zombie in the sky to cure your schitzophremia..


enjoy the upcoming new SCOTUS justices. Try not to bomb anything..

 

[GHook93]

CAIR does NOT care about America! They are an organization that only CARES about destroying us! They give our Muslim and Arab community a huge black eye!

Islam investigator ejected from D.C. Muslim conference

(1) Laura Jaghlit: A civil-rights coordinator for CAIR, her Washington-area home was raided by federal agents after 9/11 as part of an investigation into terrorist financing, money laundering and tax fraud. Her husband Mohammed Jaghlit, a key leader in the Saudi-backed SAAR network, is a target of the still-active probe.
Last decade, Jaghlit sent two letters accompanying donations – one for $10,000, the other for $5,000 – from the SAAR Foundation to Sami al-Arian, now a convicted terrorist. In each letter, according to a federal affidavit, "Jaghlit instructed al-Arian not to disclose the contribution publicly or to the media."

Investigators suspect the funds were intended for Palestinian terrorists via a U.S. front called WISE, which at the time employed an official who personally delivered a satellite phone battery to Osama bin Laden. The same official also worked for Jaghlit's group.

In addition, Jaghlit donated a total of $37,200 to the Holy Land Foundation, which prosecutors say is a Hamas front. Jaghlit subsequently was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the ongoing case.

(2) Abdurahman Alamoudi: Another CAIR director, he is serving 23 years in federal prison for plotting terrorism. Alamoudi, who was caught on tape complaining bin Laden hadn't killed enough Americans in the U.S. embassy bombings in Africa, was one of al-Qaida's top fund-raisers in America, according to the U.S. Treasury Department.


(3) Nihad Awad: For the first time, wiretap evidence from the Holy Land case puts CAIR's executive director at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders and activists that was secretly recorded by the FBI. Participants allegedly hatched a plot to disguise payments to Hamas terrorists as charitable giving.
During the meeting, according to FBI transcripts, Awad was recorded discussing the propaganda effort. He mentions Ghassan Dahduli, whom he worked with at the time at the Islamic Association for Palestine, another Hamas front. Both were IAP officers. Dahduli's name also was listed in the address book of bin Laden's personal secretary, Wadi al-Hage, who is serving a life sentence in prison for his role in the U.S. embassy bombings. Dahduli, an ethnic-Palestinian like Awad, was deported to Jordan after 9/11 for refusing to cooperate in the terror investigation.

Awad's and Dahduli's phone numbers are listed in a Muslim Brotherhood document seized by federal investigators revealing "important phone numbers" for the "Palestine Section" of the Brotherhood in America. The court exhibit shows Hamas fugitive Mousa Abu Marzook listed on the same page with Awad.

(4) Omar Ahmad: U.S. prosecutors also named CAIR's founder and chairman emeritus as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land case. Ahmad too was placed at the Philly meeting, FBI special agent Lara Burns testified at the trial. Prosecutors also designated him as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood's "Palestine Committee" in America. Ahmad, like his CAIR partner Awad, is ethnic-Palestinian.
(Though both Ahmad and Awad were senior leaders of IAP, the Hamas front, neither of their biographical sketches posted on CAIR's website mentions their IAP past.)

(5) Nabil Sadoun: A current CAIR board member, Sadoun has served on the board of the United Association for Studies and Research, which investigators believe to be a key Hamas front in America. In fact, Sadoun co-founded UASR with Hamas leader Marzook. The Justice Department added UASR to the list of unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land case.

(6) Mohamed Nimer: CAIR's current research director also served as a board director for UASR, the strategic arm for Hamas in the U.S.
(Tellingly, CAIR neglects to mention Nimer's and Sadoun's roles in UASR in their bios.)

(7) Rafeeq Jaber: A founding director of CAIR, Jaber was the long-time president of the Islamic Association for Palestine. In 2002, a federal judge found that "the Islamic Association for Palestine has acted in support of Hamas." In his capacity as IAP chief, Jaber praised Hezbollah attacks on Israel. He also served on the board of a radical mosque in the Chicago area
Rabith Hadid: The CAIR fund-raiser was a founder of the Global Relief Foundation, which after 9/11 was blacklisted by Treasury for financing al-Qaida and other terror groups. Its assets were frozen in December 2001. Hadid was arrested on terror-related charges and deported to Lebanon in 2003.

(8) Siraj Wahhaj: A member of CAIR's board of advisers, Wahhaj was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The radical Brooklyn imam was close to convicted terrorist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and defended him during his trial.

He was also a featured speaker at the dinner.

(9) Randall "Ismail" Royer: The former CAIR communications specialist and civil-rights coordinator is serving 20 years in prison in connection with the Virginia Jihad Network, which he led while employed by CAIR at its Washington headquarters. The group trained to kill U.S. soldiers overseas, cased the FBI headquarters, and cheered the space shuttle Columbia tragedy. Al-Qaida operative Ahmed Abu Ali, convicted of plotting to assassinate President Bush, was among those who trained with Royer's Northern Virginia cell

(10) Bassam Khafagi: Another CAIR official, Khafagi was arrested in 2003 while serving as CAIR's director of community affairs. He pleaded guilty to charges of bank and visa fraud stemming from a federal counterterror probe of his leadership role in the Islamic Assembly of North America, which has supported al-Qaida and advocated suicide attacks on America. He was sentenced to 10 months in prison and deported to his native Egypt.

(11) Ghassan Elashi: One of CAIR's founding directors, he was convicted in 2004 of illegally shipping high-tech goods to terror state Syria, and is serving 80 months in prison. He's also charged with providing material support to Hamas in the Holy Land Foundation trial. He was chairman of the charity, which provided seed capital to CAIR. Elashi is related to Hamas leader Marzook

(12) Hamza Yusuf: The FBI investigated the CAIR board member after 9/11, because just two days before the attacks, he made an ominous prediction to a Muslim audience. "This country is facing a terrible fate and the reason for that is because this country stands condemned," Yusuf warned. "It stands condemned like Europe stood condemned because of what it did. And lest people forget, Europe suffered two world wars after conquering the Muslim lands."

 

[Shogun]

*yawn*

we can go ahead and start hanging CAIR members right after we get done hanging every jewish spy we find.

 

[Aristophanes]

We had a Christian Preacher here locally who murdered his wife.

He mutilated her body and stuffed her into the trunk of a car.

Does this mean that Christianity is evil?

The Minister was the head of a Faith Based Comminity Organization.

Is this community organization now responsible for his actions?

The difference, which you already know, is that Jesus never taught salvation through the murder of the unbeliever.

The example lived by Mohammed - rape, pillage, murder, spreading Islam by the sword - stands in stark contrast to the life of Jesus Christ Who, even when falsely and wrongfully charged with crimes He did not commit, refused to defend Himself, even to the point of His own death.

All Hassan did was what Mohammed told him to do. Nobody who claims to be a Christian can also claim they were following Christ's example of murder.

 

[EriktheRed]

What he dosen't understand or glosses over is the fact that "Christianity" isn't the law of the land.. In the Muslim world the religion Islam is the law of the land.. There's a big difference..

Besides not being the case for the entire "Muslim world", it's got nothing to do with the case he mentioned.

 

[EriktheRed]

and so? this somehow makes beheading all right in your book?

No, but it pokes a hole in the consistency of your argument though. I wonder if MORE muslims behead people than catholic priests fuck little boys....

The most losing argument I've ever heard.. To justify one wrong doing by pointing out another.. really really stoopit..

He's really just using stoopit to challenge stoopit...and doing a damn good job, too.

 

[Sunni Man]

We had a Christian Preacher here locally who murdered his wife.

He mutilated her body and stuffed her into the trunk of a car.

Does this mean that Christianity is evil?

The Minister was the head of a Faith Based Comminity Organization.

Is this community organization now responsible for his actions?

The difference, which you already know, is that Jesus never taught salvation through the murder of the unbeliever.

The example lived by Mohammed - rape, pillage, murder, spreading Islam by the sword - stands in stark contrast to the life of Jesus Christ Who, even when falsely and wrongfully charged with crimes He did not commit, refused to defend Himself, even to the point of His own death.

All Hassan did was what Mohammed told him to do. Nobody who claims to be a Christian can also claim they were following Christ's example of murder.

Murder is also condemned in Islam.

Please show me chapter and verse of salvation by murder in Islam.

Thank You

 

[EriktheRed]

Again Newby, which Church or Denomination should I attend in order to learn the "Truth"?

A church that follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. Does your mosque teach the 'truth'?

Could you be more specific?

 

[EriktheRed]

Btw, Sunni, there seems to be a lot of focusing on the actions of Arab Muslims, but Islam is practiced in many other countries, too.


Do you know if the things that some of the new crusaders on this board keep siting as evidence that your religion is to be looked down upon happen in other muslim countries like Malaysia?

 

[Sunni Man]

Btw, Sunni, there seems to be a lot of focusing on the actions of Arab Muslims, but Islam is practiced in many other countries, too.


Do you know if the things that some of the new crusaders on this board keep siting as evidence that your religion is to be looked down upon happen in other muslim countries like Malaysia?

LOL!!!

You are correct

They focus on Arabs because that's were the oil is located and we are there.

The Islamic country of Indonesia has a population equal to almost the whole arab middle east and is ruled by a form of Sharia Law.

But you here very little about them, Malaysia, or other non arab muslim countries.

No gigantic oil feilds to oil to exploit. They don't matter.

 

[Shogun]

We had a Christian Preacher here locally who murdered his wife.

He mutilated her body and stuffed her into the trunk of a car.

Does this mean that Christianity is evil?

The Minister was the head of a Faith Based Comminity Organization.

Is this community organization now responsible for his actions?

The difference, which you already know, is that Jesus never taught salvation through the murder of the unbeliever.

The example lived by Mohammed - rape, pillage, murder, spreading Islam by the sword - stands in stark contrast to the life of Jesus Christ Who, even when falsely and wrongfully charged with crimes He did not commit, refused to defend Himself, even to the point of His own death.

All Hassan did was what Mohammed told him to do. Nobody who claims to be a Christian can also claim they were following Christ's example of murder.

and yet jebus validated the old testament which... uh...

 

[Aristophanes]

Murder is also condemned in Islam.

I'm sure it is - it's just that killing people not Muslim isn't considered murder by Islam. According to the Koran, the time and place of the death of all people is appointed by Allah, and for a Muslim to kill a kuffar is nothing more than the will of Allah being carried out - therefore, no murder of kuffar is possible.

Do you deny that Mohammed murdered, raped, and pillaged his way across the middle east? Oh, and we'll not get into the pedophilia aspect of marrying a 9 year old.

How many people did Jesus murder and rape? How much property did He steal?

Explain why Muslims today who do nothing but follow the example set forth by Mohammed are wrong for doing so, but why Mohammed wasn't wrong for setting the example that he did.

 

[GHook93]

LOL!!!

You are correct

They focus on Arabs because that's were the oil is located and we are there.

The Islamic country of Indonesia has a population equal to almost the whole arab middle east and is ruled by a form of Sharia Law.

PS we focus on Indonesia, but they are less of a threat to us! But remember the Bali Bombing. One thing is foresure is that Indonesia is working with us to combat Islamic terrorism and is far less radical then Pakistan, SA, Iran or Iraq!

But you here very little about them, Malaysia, or other non arab muslim countries.

No gigantic oil feilds to oil to exploit. They don't matter.

Malaysia is a stable emerging regional economic powerhouse! They are a country of envy and should remain that way! They are no threat to us so why concentrate on them. I believe the US is there biggest trade partner so we do concentrate on them.

Not too mention they are 60% Muslim and 40% non-Muslim, so they are not the 95%+ Muslim that most of the Arab, Persia, Turk and Afghan world is!

 

[Aristophanes]

They focus on Arabs because that's were the oil is located and we are there.

Or maybe it's because Arab muslims blow themselves up to kill women and babies. Or maybe it's because Arab muslims fly planes into buildings to murder innocent people. Or maybe it's because Arab muslims are making sport of cutting of peoples' heads on TV.

Though if you count Hezbollah, I guess you'd have to toss Persian Muslims into the mix as well. Well, and then there's Abu Sayyef in the Philippines...hmm...what commonality do all these different ethnic groups have that makes them think it's okay to murder people.

Oh, right.

Islam.

 

[Shogun]

They focus on Arabs because that's were the oil is located and we are there.

Or maybe it's because Arab muslims blow themselves up to kill women and babies. Or maybe it's because Arab muslims fly planes into buildings to murder innocent people. Or maybe it's because Arab muslims are making sport of cutting of peoples' heads on TV.

Though if you count Hezbollah, I guess you'd have to toss Persian Muslims into the mix as well. Well, and then there's Abu Sayyef in the Philippines...hmm...what commonality do all these different ethnic groups have that makes them think it's okay to murder people.

Oh, right.

Islam.

we were stirring our hands in their culture long before they were stirring shit in ours, dude. If a muslim nation did to the US what we've done to the mid east you'd be watching Red Dawn and screaming wolverines.


Hell, PLEASE make this a religion debate, stupid. Clearly, you don't recall who was busy exterminating whom in Kosovo.